pubic_assistance Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: We ALL know that legally 'escorts are paid for their time" yes. But we ALL KNOW what escorts are REALLY paid for - and THEY KNOW IT, TOO. So, this one poster who was like 'well, he spent time with you even though he was sick'....girl, bye. You seem to have missed the point. He didn't bail. He was sick and he stuck around to at minimum provide the company his client was paying for. Yes we all know what we hope for when escorts are paid for their time...but some of you forget that your dealing with a live human being. Not everything works out as planned even if you PAY. Edited August 14, 2022 by pubic_assistance Enchanted, Marc in Calif, BtmBearDad and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: We ALL know that legally 'escorts are paid for their time" yes. But we ALL KNOW what escorts are REALLY paid for - and THEY KNOW IT, TOO. I'm afraid you're suffering from a misconception. It's not just a legal loophole. Even outside the US, we really are paid for our time, like many other professionals. Many lawyers, for instance, bill by 6-minute increments. Auto garages bill for mechanic hours. You pay the chiropractor for the appointment, even if your back still hurts the next week. I could go on.... and sex, romance and companionship are, in my opinion, often less tangible than many such services. So an escort's hourly fee is based even more than other services on the belief or trust (from reputation, past experience, etc) that your expense will be worthwhile in some way or another. I think it's totally understandable that OP's time with the escort might not feel like it was worth the expense in this case. In that case I think the professional thing for the escort to do would be to offer a discount or extension in the future (returning money, on the other hand, can be awkwardly transactional). That's what I would do. If he doesn't, and the OP loses confidence that his expense will be worthwhile in the future, then he may not book again. That's all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ FrankR Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 12 hours ago, ncc1701d said: No I didn't bring it up as it was awkward and he clearly was not feeling 100% still when we parted ways....It is now 2 weeks later and I would have expected a text from him by now (he texts off the clock regularly). Hence posting as I do feel ripped off Perhaps he is feeling a bit awkward about the whole thing too. Maybe text him a “Hey, are you feeling better after your illness?” See how he reacts. His response or lack of response should tell you something. In the long run, put it behind you - it was one of life’s curve balls, you learn from it and take the experience for what it is. pubic_assistance, nate_sf, Marc in Calif and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 11 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: Nothing like forcing someone to let you fuck them when they’re not in the mood. Not at all rapey. 😂 Yawn. . . Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Todd Jenkins said: Yawn. . . This says a lot about you. And none of it is good. Enchanted, Todd Jenkins, LookingAround and 6 others 1 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru68 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, FrankR said: Perhaps he is feeling a bit awkward about the whole thing too. Maybe text him a “Hey, are you feeling better after your illness?” See how he reacts. His response or lack of response should tell you something. In the long run, put it behind you - it was one of life’s curve balls, you learn from it and take the experience for what it is. Agree. It's giving him a chance to save face a little and address it without further awkwardness for both of you. Edited August 14, 2022 by guru68 Typo TorontoDrew, Todd Jenkins and Marc in Calif 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Client1985 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 How woukd Judge Judy rule? He owes you a refund for services paid for but not provided. Reach out to him and discuss with him how you were disappointed with the hire. If he has an attitude; forget him, leave a negative yelp review, and put him on blast on the forum as a buyer beware..... Njguy2, Todd Jenkins and Medin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: This says a lot about you. And none of it is good. OH my, I TRULY care what a nameless, faceless entity on an internet message board about the ILLEGAL activity of paying for sex says about me. yawn. + KensingtonHomo, LookingAround and Marc in Calif 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbar123 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Sounds like he got sick on your watch…eating whatever he ate on your trip. When we hire human beings they don’t come with a warranty. I would suggest moving on and letting it pass. If he was that sick he may have earned the money as combat pay. When my kids were smaller they were always getting sick and fucking up vacations. That’s just life. LookingAround, former lurker, TorontoDrew and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Client1985 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 17 hours ago, BtmBearDad said: Not at all rapey 🙄 ⬆️ Doesn’t sound in any way douchey or dehumanising at all. In fact, it sounds like something Weinstein, or Spacey, or Epstein could have said - “I spent the night spending money, they knew what was expected.” Rentboy had a choice of reducing his cost for services not render or provide the service. I agree it's a business transaction. When you start to look at it differently someone will end up getting fucked and not in the fun way.... Todd Jenkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ MakeMeCowboy Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) A long time ago I accepted that 'hiring' is a multifaceted gamble, and therefore, if you can't afford to lose the investment, don't play. Take the high road, check in with the guy to find out how he is doing. I wouldn't hassle over coin. Edited August 14, 2022 by MakeMeCowboy grammar Dolman, CastaDiva, Marc in Calif and 4 others 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingAround Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 21 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: If I were that escort, I would never see you again. You had sex twice, and the morning after, he wasn’t up for a third go, so you pressured him into it. Maybe you think this is funny or you being butch, but it sounds like you treated this young man as something less than a person. This. I was more than offended when I read the original post. Treated him like merchandise. Offensive beyond words imho. Marc in Calif, BtmBearDad, Todd Jenkins and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc in Calif Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 20 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: LOL!!!! HYSTERICAL! He knew the drill, everything was discussed up front. He knew the expectation. You both agreed to a discounted one-night service. That was the discount: two sexual encounters instead of (the usual?) three. Or did you actually write up a detailed contract for that night? I wouldn't be surprised if you did — considering how you consider every single act as something to monetize. And if you expect that someone you know and trust will perform like a machine every single time, you're probably a client who this provider can safely and easily delete from his phone contacts. LookingAround, Golem, BtmBearDad and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Client1985 said: Rentboy had a choice of reducing his cost for services not render or provide the service. I agree it's a business transaction. When you start to look at it differently someone will end up getting fucked and not in the fun way.... He already fucked him twice. The services were rendered. It’s not like the escort refused to engage in sex. As a bottom, getting fucked three times in 24 - 36 hours can be a bit much. Marc in Calif and BtmBearDad 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 4 hours ago, LookingAround said: This. I was more than offended when I read the original post. Treated him like merchandise. Offensive beyond words imho. Gasp. The HORROR! Clutch more pearls, henny. Marc in Calif and muscmtl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: He already fucked him twice. The services were rendered. It’s not like the escort refused to engage in sex. As a bottom, getting fucked three times in 24 - 36 hours can be a bit much. You are confusing the two stories. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncc1701d Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 thanks for all the different viewpoints (at least the ones related to my original post!). Just what i was looking for to help me think this through + FrankR, nate_sf, TorontoDrew and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gymowner Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) Some of the hottest experiences with a man have to do with his character and not his body or penis. You learned something about his character within this trip and afterwards. I wouldnt say a thing whatsoever and chalk up misfortune as misfortune. I wouldnt contact him again. However if HE contacts you in the future about getting together again or why he hasnt heard from you then I most certainly would explain why. More in an "I'm hurt" sort of manner than in an "I'm pissed off" one. How he handles the situation will speak volumes. Edited August 15, 2022 by Gymowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SWFL44 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 11:22 AM, ncc1701d said: Hi Need the collective wisdom and experience here about a situation I had. Did a multi-day hire with an experienced guy that I've seen multiple times over the years, including other multi-day hires. Splurge on a great room in a nice tourist town, airfare, and he was quite excited too with lots of build up chats. Because of our history and trust he received his fee upfront. Unfortunately after the first day he got some kinda of food poisoning and was not well for the next 2 days. He never offered apology or any kind of compensation for his fees that he already received (like taking some off, offering free time next time, etc). Should he have? I realized it wasn't his fault per se to get sick, and it was kinda up to me to raise it, but thought with our history he would have (he's a great mature guy, hence my level of trust)??? Thoughts?? Did I miss Episode 3 in this series or what? This was the OP's initial post. How did we end up on having sex twice and not the next morning and it's "rapey"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 7:00 PM, Todd Jenkins said: He arrived. I phucked him. Then, I took him to a wonderful dinner and one of his favorite country artists just happen to be in town that night. Because I work in entertainment, I had the chance to get backstage passes and take him to the show as a guest of the performer. To say he was thrilled to go to the show and hang with the artist is an understatement. We got back to my house and the sex was INCREDIBLE! He was on a HIGH from the night. No, @Todd Jenkins I'm not confusing the stories. Maybe you don't recall how you presented the story, but by your account you had sex twice the first night. Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) On 8/13/2022 at 9:51 PM, KensingtonHomo said: ....it sounds like you treated this young man as something less than a person. This is an example of my point. Some of you guys talk about money for service in a way that makes it clear you aren't aware there is a human being involved in this transaction. Edited August 15, 2022 by pubic_assistance spelling + KensingtonHomo, Skip, MikeBiDude and 6 others 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate_sf Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 hours ago, ncc1701d said: thanks for all the different viewpoints (at least the ones related to my original post!). Just what i was looking for to help me think this through Thanks for the post. It’s certainly generated a lot of interesting discussion! Glad it was helpful. ncc1701d and pubic_assistance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Slater Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Moderator's note: Gents, cut the sniping. + BenjaminNicholas, trhemmer and TorontoDrew 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronArtz Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: This is an example of my point. Some of you guys talk about money for service in a way that makes it clear you aren't aware there is a human being involved in this transaction. Very well said. I agree 100 % + KensingtonHomo, BtmBearDad and pubic_assistance 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Jenkins Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 19 hours ago, Todd Jenkins said: 21 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: He already fucked him twice. The services were rendered. It’s not like the escort refused to engage in sex. As a bottom, getting fucked three times in 24 - 36 hours can be a bit much. This is about MY experience, not the experience of the original poster. Geez louise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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