Another Warning To Be Careful Who You Pick Up At A Party....

[Guest]

I haven't been able to find the names or photos of the suspects. Any of you had better luck at this? I'm extremely curious. Are arrest records considered confidential information in Spain?

[BSR]

30 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

I haven't been able to find the names or photos of the suspects. Any of you had better luck at this? I'm extremely curious. Are arrest records considered confidential information in Spain?

I tried a search in Spanish but got the same result:  Romanian 39yo w/9 priors & Moroccan 29yo w/17 priors, but no information beyond that.  I read 3 news reports, none gave names or photographs.  Plenty of other links, but I stopped after 3 because I assumed they all withheld further info.  I also found a paper written by a university student (I can't figure out how to link the PDF) where he states that the ethical standard for Spanish mainstream news orgs is to not identify suspects by their name or image in order to maintain presumption of innocence and to avoid trial by public opinion.  However, it does not look like there are any laws prohibiting the publication of names & photos.

[marylander1940]

On 12/28/2021 at 6:29 PM, azdr0710 said:

José Rosado, Wealthy Florida Man, Murdered During Luxury Hotel Orgy in Madrid (thedailybeast.com)

A Moroccan with 17 arrests over similar incidents... what the hell was he doing in Europe?

6 hours ago, jetlow said:

I’ve stayed at that hotel a few times . Top end is debatable , it’s very much in need of a renovation. .  Rates were high rooms meh . I would stay again only if I wasn’t paying

 

Top end would be the Four Seasons around the corner from there, and the Hotel Ritz madrid which reopened after a renovation ( and no the Ritz madrid is a real high class joint not related to Marriott or the Ritz Carlton ) 

This stuff always freaks me out - this could have happened to any of us - real sorry for his loss ( and his partners loss too ) 

My condolences to his family 

I had a similar experience, but it's supposed to be one of the best hotels in Madrid. This hotel is also famous for its proximity with the Cortes (Spanish parliament). 

is not clear if he engaged in PNP with them or they simply put a drug in this drink. Yes, it could happen to any of us! 

2,500... most escorts can do that in a good week or in a weekend with a client. I can't believe how short sighted some guys are, they'll be "escorting" for free in jail and to guys not as good looking or in shape like this gentleman who paid with his life. 

 

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, BSR said:

I tried a search in Spanish but got the same result:  Romanian 39yo w/9 priors & Moroccan 29yo w/17 priors, but no information beyond that.  I read 3 news reports, none gave names or photographs.  Plenty of other links, but I stopped after 3 because I assumed they all withheld further info.  I also found a paper written by a university student (I can't figure out how to link the PDF) where he states that the ethical standard for Spanish mainstream news orgs is to not identify suspects by their name or image in order to maintain presumption of innocence and to avoid trial by public opinion.  However, it does not look like there are any laws prohibiting the publication of names & photos.

When I read Romanian.... I don't know why I thought of Jarec Wentworth

 

42 minutes ago, latbear4blk said:

I was wondering what the Right Wingers would do without the Political Forum. If you read through this thread and pay attention to the likes, we now know their new hobby: linking immigrant sex workers with crime.

Immigrants (legal or illegal) should always remember they're on probation and they're by far less likely to commit any kind of crime in order to be accepted by their new country.

It's fact! 

I think we shouldn't bring politics into this tragedy between this businessmen and 2 or 3 escorts, it has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately some already blame the Moroccan. I wonder why? 

[marylander1940]

On 12/29/2021 at 10:04 AM, robear said:

One wonders what kind of "party" included these sketchy characters with long rap sheets on the guest list.

He picked up 3 "chaperos" at a bar... not that different than picking them up from RM. 

English Translation of “chapero” | Collins Spanish-English Dictionary (collinsdictionary.com)

Maybe he didn't know they were escorts and thought it was his lucky night.

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10 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

When I read Romanian.... I don't know why I thought of Jarec Wentworth

 

Immigrants (legal or illegal) should always remember they're on probation and they're by far less likely to commit any kind of crime in order to be accepted by their new country.

It's fact! 

 

What's a fact?

 

Are we back to discussing " their papers"

[Guest]

3 hours ago, BSR said:

... the ethical standard for Spanish mainstream is to not identify suspects by their name or image in order to maintain presumption of innocence...

Too bad it's difficult to find links to non-mainstream media. Of course, I think it's possible to report on a suspect without insinuating that the person is guilty until proven innocent. I know it's the usual habit of some people, even on this forum, but that's on the presumer. Of course, with all of those prior arrests and indictments, even I could harbor some strong suspicions, though I always like to keep an open mind. 

[BSR]

1 minute ago, Unicorn said:

Too bad it's difficult to find links to non-mainstream media. Of course, I think it's possible to report on a suspect without insinuating that the person is guilty until proven innocent. I know it's the usual habit of some people, even on this forum, but that's on the presumer. Of course, with all of those prior arrests and indictments, even I could harbor some strong suspicions, though I always like to keep an open mind. 

Since the university paper was 19 pages, I admit that I only skimmed it, but the writer made a distinction between mainstream news orgs and sensationalist tabloids, not between mainstream and alternative journalism, like Tim Pool or Substack.

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[Luv2play]

8 hours ago, jetlow said:

I’ve stayed at that hotel a few times . Top end is debatable , it’s very much in need of a renovation. .  Rates were high rooms meh . I would stay again only if I wasn’t paying

 

Top end would be the Four Seasons around the corner from there, and the Hotel Ritz madrid which reopened after a renovation ( and no the Ritz madrid is a real high class joint not related to Marriott or the Ritz Carlton ) 

This stuff always freaks me out - this could have happened to any of us - real sorry for his loss ( and his partners loss too ) 

My condolences to his family 

I agree that this is the type of thing that could happen to any of us, albeit mostly unimaginable. It's hard to judge without knowing all the circumstances how reckless or not this victim was in inviting unknown persons back to his hotel.

We've all I think picked up with strangers for a night of illicit sex (I use the term as the newspapers would report it). Nothing untoward happened. Just our good luck. This guy ran out of good luck.

[cany10011]

A few years ago, my friend picked up a guy in Madrid (Chueca neighborhood) when we were on a business trip. We were to tour the Prado the next day, but he slept through it. Being that my friend studied in Madrid before, I presume he got lucky and was just sleeping in and decided to skip the museum. After returning to the hotel in the afternoon by myself, i called him but no answer and then asked the front desk to call him, again no answer. I went up and knocked on his door and I heard shuffling to the door. My friend was stark naked and drowsy and his wallet was wide open on the floor with his credit card and cash gone. Sounds like my friend lucked out and averted something more sinister. 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by cany10011

[Luv2play]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

A Moroccan with 17 arrests over similar incidents... what the hell was he doing in Europe?

I had a similar experience, but it's supposed to be one of the best hotels in Madrid. This hotel is also famous for its proximity with the Cortes (Spanish parliament). 

is not clear if he engaged in PNP with them or they simply put a drug in this drink. Yes, it could happen to any of us! 

2,500... most escorts can do that in a good week or in a weekend with a client. I can't believe how short sighted some guys are, they'll be "escorting" for free in jail and to guys not as good looking or in shape like this gentleman who paid with his life. 

 

Maybe they hoped they would find stuff worth more than 2500 euros in his room or on his person. I had a friend, long deceased, who wore a diamond ring worth $40,000 back in the early 20s and a Rolex watch. He would turn the ring around on his finger so the diamond was hidden when picking up guys at bars or engaging escorts in Montreal, New York or Florida, where we both went out together on many occasions. But the watch was a give away, which he refused to switch to a Swatch, as I did even with my much less expensive Swiss watch especially in places like Brazil.

And back at his houses in Montreal or Florida, they would have easily found stuff worth $thousands. I traveled with him in Europe and Brazil and he always had wads of cash at any one time.

I never took expensive jewellery with me, not that I had much. When I went out I just had a couple of hundred  dollars on me. I guess what I'm saying is that I never try to look like a mark. Of course, my friend was 6 feet 4 inches tall and weighed about 260 pounds so he would not have been an easy take down, except for the drugging thing. But he didn't drink.

 

[Alex93108]

I am quite fortunate in that I have travelled to countless places and somewhat enjoy living on the edge a little bit. Most of my trips have been solo, though i hope that as I get older, I would share my sense of adventure with someone. Its a work in progress. 

I do very much enjoy my solo adventures though - and will probably keep them even if I am married / partnered etc . I hope he understands.  My solo adventures are important to me. I learn a lot of about myself - and it's time for myself also , and have a greater appreciation of life in general after.  I find it to be healing and rejuvenating - me time. 

That said - let me impart some wisdom on my standard operating procedures while traveling.  I have been to Russia countless times, from Vladisotok to Saint Peterburg ( I took the plane, stopped in between ), Egypt ( the airport in Cairo is not for the uninitiated) , all over Africa and more places than I can count.

Some basic rules 

- If you are traveling you should switch out to a traveling wallet which has 1 ID and maybe 1 credit card, and just the right amount of cash. The rest should go in the hotel safe ( which isn't really that secure, more on that later) .  If you are staying in a room that has a hotel safe that doesn't work ( or worse ) doesn't have one, you are not in the correct hotel.  Had the guy adhered to this rule - there wouldn't be much to steal - I would have at most less than € 100 / £ 100 in my travel wallet, and 1 credit card. ( with a backup in other places of course) . Your traveling wallet should be something you can lose. 

- A lot of people think I can only travel well ( that's not true - I have stayed in a hut in Kenya in freezing temperatures outdoor plumbing while climbing a mountain for 5 days) ,  but a lot of it has to do with security. 5 star hotels have cameras everywhere and security.  In addition if you are staying at a nice place, the front desk / managers office often has a house safe which you can use - though most hotels are reluctant to do this. I can be persuasive. If you have lots cash, jewelry - and yes your passport is probably valuable, put it in there. I tend to  use the hotel safe for most things, but when I travel to lets say Russia, Morocco, Egypt, India , Former Soviet Republics - then depending on circumstance, I will sometimes ask to use the house safe which is tropically located next to the hotel managers office, or sometimes inside the managers office. Sometimes i travel with intellectual property on my laptop  which I need to take some reasonable duty of care to protect. . A nice hotel will have this facility.

- If a provider is visiting my room or a trick - everything valuable is immediately cleared out and stored safely . No exceptions. 

- I always trust my gut .  Use some common sense.  If you have an iPhone - it costs someone 1 years salary to buy one in place like Kenya for example.  I had my iPhone 12 nabbed right from my bag at the Cairo Airport in January 2020 while i was washing my hands at the airport ( before immigration mind you - someone just took it right out my bag) . I had been to Egypt twice, and my first visit was during the revolution in 2012 ( I thought I had seen it all).Made the rest of the trip a bit harder, but thankfully the next stop was London, and I know Central London well enough to navigate without a map.

Sometimes its just your time, and bad luck, as others have pointed out.

If there is anything I have learned from the last two years, we should all try to make the best of the time we have on this earth. If you can make someone else's life better while doing that - even better. 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by jetlow

[Luv2play]

Only thing I would add to Jetlow's advice is that it is important when traveling in third world countries such as Brazil to carry a reasonable amount of money like $100US on your person so that if you are robbed, it is enough to satisfy the robbers. If you only have a small amount of cash, they may get angry and frustrated because they know you are affluent and they may take it out on you.

This happened to my nephew in Rio years ago when he and his girlfriend were robbed at knifepoint just outside the Copacabana Palace Hotel in broad daylight. He only had a trifling amount of cash and credit cards and the robbers were incensed. Her screaming helped in resolving the situation because they fled before they could do much harm.

[Alex93108]

1 minute ago, Luv2play said:

Only thing I would add to Jetlow's advice is that it is important when traveling in third world countries such as Brazil to carry a reasonable amount of money like $100US on your person so that if you are robbed, it is enough to satisfy the robbers. If you only have a small amount of cash, they may get angry and frustrated because they know you are affluent and they may take it out on you.

This happened to my nephew in Rio years ago when he and his girlfriend were robbed at knifepoint just outside the Copacabana Palace Hotel in broad daylight. He only had a trifling amount of cash and credit cards and the robbers were incensed. Her screaming helped in resolving the situation because they fled before they could do much harm.

Absolutely - I adjust the amount depending on where I am. For Brazil outside Sao Paolo  R$300 is enough cash - though I usually have R$400, these days around $50-60 US dollars .  £ 40-50.  That's enough for an hour hire and to satisfy robbers at knifepoint in Rio de Janiero 

Of course - in Sao Paolo, its a different can't of worms. Safer there. I sometimes carry more - though these days cards accepted everywhere the need for cash is less. 

[Luv2play]

2 minutes ago, jetlow said:

Absolutely - I adjust the amount depending on where I am. For Brazil outside Sao Paolo  R$300 is enough cash - though I usually have R$400, these days around $50-60 US dollars .  £ 40-50.  That's enough for an hour hire and to satisfy robbers at knifepoint in Rio de Janiero 

Of course - in Sao Paolo, its a different can't of worms. Safer there. I sometimes carry more - though these days cards accepted everywhere the need for cash is less. 

I also felt safer in Sao Paulo than Rio but had no problems in either city when I visited years ago, actually just two weeks before my nephew did. 

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