Forum Steering Committee - Volunteers Needed

[coriolis888]

 

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We have not gotten the death certificate.

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How did the mortuary have permission to cremate the deceased without a death certificate?

 

Perhaps you could find their source and expedite the process of getting a certified copy.

 

Just a well-intended suggestion.

[lonely_john]

If anybody here thinks Bill/Daddy ran this site by committee or consensus or consulted posters when making decisions, they are delusional.

Your remark makes no sense because to start, that never happened. He would consult nothing. And EVERYONE knows that.

He totally revamped the review site without membership consultation.

Again non-sense. Making the decision to improve a website is not exclusive of any kind of management style.

If this site is to continue there WILL BE 1 single person making all the decisions.

And who appointed you to make the decision that there will be only 1 single person making all the decisions?

We have been discussing on this thread that there is a legal process to be completed before we know about a new manager.

People are just trying to get organized so we don't get back to the same old. Sad to see that some people can only think backward.

And yes, not long ago people who would feel offended would report this comment to get me banned - no opportunity to dialogue. SMH.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

How about a poll?

 

Please stop.

 

This discussion is fine as is, confined on this thread.

 

We don't need to further complicate things.

[+ Orin]

How did the mortuary have permission to cremate the deceased without a death certificate?

Perhaps you could find their source and expedite the process of getting a certified copy.

 

After the hospitals' social worker was unable to find next-of-kin to make medical decisions for Bill, she sought his long-time friends, and Deb knew him the longest, by a hair. (I'm second, by a technicality.) When he had died, and his body was handed off to the mortuary, the people there put her down as next-of-kin, and asked about the burial arrangements. Because we paid for the cremation, under Nevada law, we are qualified to receive a Death Certificate. (They are restricted to qualified people and agencies in NV.) The Death Certificate has been issued by the NV Health Department. We have already requested copies, but have not yet received them.

[+ stevenkesslar]

At best he was a benevolent dictator and often he was an absolute and an arbitrary one. He banned poster at will as well as changing rules. He totally revamped the review site without membership consultation. He was NOT a manager he was a dictator.

 

And the reason this is the model we want is?

 

 

I can take a joke, and so could Bill. Not too long after he banned me for a week because of the JD psychodrama he was sitting on my back porch, as my guest, during the pool party. I can't recall if you paid his hotel bill, or I did, or we split it. At one point he made some wise ass comment to me and I said, "Fine. You're banned. Now you get your ass at out my house." We both laughed. I remember that moment with affection. To your point, he wasn't necessarily the best manager. But you could write the textbook on how to manage Bill.

 

So I am ecumenical about this. I'm more for having a choice than I am against a benevolent dictator.

 

But if we wrote a job description for a new owner of the two websites, is that what we would want it to be?

[mike carey]

I'm amazed at your knowledge of Nevada estate law!

Leaving aside the minor snark in your reply, I was commenting based on inheritance law 101 not specifically Nevada law. The site is an asset of the estate and inheritance law determines ownership of assets and leaves how to manage them to the estate's beneficiaries. My comment to which you replied omitted one possibility, and that is that a court could make an interim ruling on the management of an asset pending determination of its eventual ownership. Would this asset warrant any court's attention? I doubt it, without someone with standing requesting a ruling.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Being able to present a clear idea of what the community would like to do with the sites would help whoever it is that decides the disposition of the sites to understand the value of this place to its inhabitants, and to act accordingly.

 

So I'd like to do some reality check questions. Like @Charlie I see no reason to spin our wheels. My view of the goal is simple: to save both websites from extinction. Period. Full stop.

 

Orin, you keep referring to "the sites." To me, the escort review site already has one foot in the grave. That's not stating an aspiration. That's stating a view of reality. There's been no discussion about who would own or manage that site. Other than that the prospective owner of this site doesn't want to own or manage it. There's also been no discussion of how it might be funded. And as of right now, the website doesn't even functionally exist.

 

So there seems to be a disconnect here. If the State of Nevada inherits both sites, I guess that solves the problem. But if Team Washington (and I think you said perhaps a Nevada co-administrator) are named administrator, then there's two assets to be disposed of that are of concern to us. So how does that play out for the escort website? @Coolwave35 is not interested in that site, based on what he's said repeatedly. I'm guessing you won't be sending out RFPs to Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos, @Orin. If that website is going to survive, I'm assuming - perhaps incorrectly - that the ownership gets figured out here. If we do want that website to continue, it seems like that's one thing we could use this time to work on. Am I wrong?

 

it’s going to take a special person to continue the review site. Continuing the message boards is quite simple should we choose not to complicate it.

 

This is a fun hobby for me, I’m not looking for an extra career.

 

One financier. One tech guy. The existing team of moderators with all the access codes should the financier or tech guy die unexpectedly should be plenty. Why is this spiraling wildly into an enormous project?

 

If the community wants 15 cooks working In the kitchen, that isn’t a model I’d want to be a part of.

 

I posted that first quote in part to confirm that you are being loud and clear that you are not the guy for the review site, @Coolwave35.

 

I'm also taking you to mean that you are the guy for this website. But the word "owner" is not in your comments above. So are you planning to be the new legal owner of this website? Or are you instead saying you will pay the bills of the website's expenses? If it's the latter, we still are at square one. Because we do need a legal owner.

 

I was taken aback by the last statement in that quote. It suggests that there may be conditions under which you don't want to become the owner, or financier, or either. I think it's fair to ask, how certain of this are you? Are there specific things you know of that for you would lead you to say, "That isn't something I'd want to be a part of"? And let me be super clear why I am asking A line I used a lot with Bill was, "It's your website, so it's your rules." If you own the site, I'll say exactly the same thing. Especially if I go with @Epigonos' Benevolent Dictator Theory. So I appreciate the fact you're speaking up now. If the formation of a steering committee on running the site would lead you to say, "I'm out," that is important for us to know.

 

I agree that any new owner can decide that, but we need to plan for the eventuality (one that is not assured) that the community needs to decide what the ownership is. We can do that as a contingency plan that may become moot if a single owner emerges.

 

I'll close repeating what Mike said, which to me is a minimum common sense thing. Let's stop beating around the bush about the word "own." It seems like a prospective single owner has emerged. Am I right, or wrong, @Coolwave35? It also seems prudent to at least plan for the contingency that the community ends up owning one or both sites, as a community. In fact, for some of us that may be a contingency. For others, it is a preference. With the review site, in particular, it seems like it's the only way it may survive.

 

And it's not like we have to guess who the likely administrator who selects "the new owner" will be. In fact, we donated over $10,000 in part so that Team Washington had the resources to become the administrator. I hope we all agree that is in our interest. It seems like we do. @Orin hit the "like" button on what Mike said. So even if I agree with Charlie's logic, which I largely do, it's not like we don't know or can't influence what the court decides about who the administrator is. And it's not like we don't have a clue what the likely administrator will say about who ends up owning this site. He is saying it, repeatedly, loud and clear.

 

I also agree with Charlie's point that it won't help matters to dig into particular positions about this. I plan to be ecumenical. I can live with a benevolent dictator, or with community ownership. I hope we'd all celebrate either outcome. I'll end by repeating my basic goal, which I'm also hoping the vast majority of us share: to save both websites from extinction. Period. Full stop.

Edited May 1, 2021 by stevenkesslar

[+ Coolwave35]

A lot of discussion was had at Palm Springs that no one is talking about publicly here. I wasn’t there, but it has been told to me that group has a plan they like for the sites.

 

am I willing to take ownership of this website fully aware of the liability it presents, with the sole goal and intention of preservation? Yes.

 

is Orin willing to place that responsibility in my hands? I don’t believe so.

[+ Lucky]

A lot of discussion was had at Palm Springs that no one is talking about publicly here. I wasn’t there, but it has been told to me that group has a plan they like for the sites.

 

am I willing to take ownership of this website fully aware of the liability it presents, with the sole goal and intention of preservation? Yes.

 

is Orin willing to place that responsibility in my hands? I don’t believe so.

Your offer is generous on its face, but speaking only for myself, I don't know you at all. Turning over a website to someone I don't know worries me.

[+ keroscenefire]

A lot of discussion was had at Palm Springs that no one is talking about publicly here. I wasn’t there, but it has been told to me that group has a plan they like for the sites.

 

am I willing to take ownership of this website fully aware of the liability it presents, with the sole goal and intention of preservation? Yes.

 

is Orin willing to place that responsibility in my hands? I don’t believe so.

 

I am okay with you taking ownership Coolwave. Are you willing to have the steering committee, etc.? I signed up to volunteer for that. But I don't have the technical knowhow or the money to help in more substantial ways. I do want to see this web site preserved though.

[MikeBiDude]

Your offer is generous on its face, but speaking only for myself, I don't know you at all. Turning over a website to someone I don't know worries me.

+1, call me skeptical

[Cooper]

Okay Gentlemen, Please, let’s stop these premature discussions. Is there a lawyer in the house?

 

I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has dealt with being a trustee or executor of an estate. M4M is in @Guy Fawkes estate. He still owns it. Until the Probate Court finds there are no living relatives who can make claim to his estate and rules on an executor, we shouldn’t be making any decisions on who will own or run it.

 

Let’s be patient. Perhaps a member lawyer can give us an idea on how long it might take for a court ruling.

 

Thanks,

Cooper

[lonely_john]

Your offer is generous on its face, but speaking only for myself, I don't know you at all. Turning over a website to someone I don't know worries me.

This is EXACTLY the reason why it's IMMENSELY IMPORTANT to not have 1 single person deciding everything because all of a sudden this site can turn to personal interests. Having a few making decisions by and for the community would ensure that voices are being heard and that this site reflects what the community wants it for.

[lonely_john]

I am okay with you taking ownership Coolwave.

Until the Probate Court finds there are no living relatives who can make claim to his estate and rules on an executor, we shouldn’t be making any decisions on who will own or run it.

It seems like people are not reading the thread before making comments in here.

[Epigonos]

Whoever is in possession of the server is in possession of the site. That is exactly how Bill/Daddy/Guy obtained control of this site when Hooboy died. Hoobody died unexpectedly in Thailand. If I remember correctly Hooboy wanted the site to go to his boyfriend who I believe was Dutch. I don’t believe that desire on Hooboy’s part was stated legally. The server, however, was in Seattle in Bill’s/Daddy’s/Guys possession and he was thus able to freeze the boyfriend out. Now whoever obtains possession of the server for this site or builds a new one will be in full possession of the site. People that is fact not fiction.

If some of my facts above are incorrect will some of you other long time members please feel free to correct them.

 

P.S. I am about to leave with Oliver for his return trip home to the Midwest so I will leave you in peace on this topic for at least the next ten days.

Edited May 1, 2021 by Epigonos

[Cooper]

@Epigonos, We have different memories of how daddy acquired the site. When Hooboy passed his family inherited his estate including his site. His mother, a religious person, thought it was a travel site and was obviously unhappy when she learned what it actually was. Although an offer was made to purchase it, she decided to let the ownership expire. Hooboy’s bf was user name foxyboy. I don’t agree with what you call “facts”. Who told you this?

[mike carey]

P.S. I am about to leave with Oliver for his return trip home to the Midwest so I will leave you in peace on the topic for at least the next ten days.

Safe travels to both you and @Oliver. I hope to see you next April!!

[+ Lucky]

Okay Gentlemen, Please, let’s stop these premature discussions. Is there a lawyer in the house?

 

I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has dealt with being a trustee or executor of an estate. M4M is in @Guy Fawkes estate. He still owns it. Until the Probate Court finds there are no living relatives who can make claim to his estate and rules on an executor, we shouldn’t be making any decisions on who will own or run it.

 

Let’s be patient. Perhaps a member lawyer can give us an idea on how long it might take for a court ruling.

 

Thanks,

Cooper

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought it was a given that nothing will happen until the court rules. Every discussion has that caveat, whether noted or not.

[Cooper]

@Lucky, I agree but apparently some members need a reminder.

[+ Coolwave35]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought it was a given that nothing will happen until the court rules. Every discussion has that caveat, whether noted or not.

 

I can’t believe there is a court in this country that is going to be bothered with what happens to this website.

[coriolis888]

 

I can’t believe there is a court in this country that is going to be bothered with what happens to this website.

 

 

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The probate court will be "bothered" with any and all assets of the estate,

[Cooper]

I can’t believe there is a court in this country that is going to be bothered with what happens to this website.

 

@Coolwave35, You’re probably right but I think we’ll all feel more comfortable if it was done legally.

[+ Lucky]

I can’t believe there is a court in this country that is going to be bothered with what happens to this website.

Maybe so. But from my experience, courts take their responsibilities seriously. They are more likely to approve what we want if we ask, rather than just presume they won't care. That could get their gander up.

[+ purplekow]

If and when the courts are through and if there is to be a steering committee, I would consider being a member though I have no legal experience, no computer experience and I have never been on a steering committee or a board. A complete lack of credentials should not be a hindrance though. Hey it worked in 2016 in the US why not in 2021 for the Forum? Perhaps not the best supporting example.

[Epigonos]

Cooper I will certainly defer to your recollections of the facts regarding the site going to Hooboy's mother. By saying that facts are facts and not fiction I meant that whoever controls the server controls the site.