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I could have posted this in various places here, but just chose this forum as the likely most widely viewed.

 

Does anyone want to comment on theologians hiring escorts? }( Either from the standpoint of being the client, or being the escort?

 

In particular, I'm curious about how Catholic Priests figure into the equation (the need for anonymity, the use of Church funds for sexual release, etc.).

 

Part of my curiosity is driven by my escort roommate having been recently hired by a Catholic Priest who actually saw him in the Rectory early in an evening, seemingly leaving discretion aside.

 

Btw, the priest was a bottom. }(

 

As an afterthought, I think the issue is not theologians in general hiring escorts, as much as it is Catholic Priests in particular, who enter the realm of gross hypocrisy when they do so.

 

Also, I want to note that my escort roommate is very discreet and rarely discloses details of his clients to me. In this case, he was so taken aback by what seemed to him to be the client almost blatantly flaunting his behavior.

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One on topic comment and two off topic comments

 

1-I believe priests take a vow of celibacy and performing the sex act puts them at odds with the teachings of the Church. An hour with a paid escort or a quickie with Father O'Malley from the parish down the road is all the same. So for this priest, just as for gay men everywhere, some get it for free and some pay for it. As an aside, since he was was defying Church doctrine in having sex, the priest probably bottomed to further defy the Church's teaching of it being better to give than to receive.

 

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1- In your posts in general you say my roommate the escort as often as my mother says my son the doctor when speaking of my brother.

2- Discretion is really tested when the details are the juiciest, so in that regard, your roommate failed the discretion test, at least in this case.

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Fair enough - one "on topic" response, and two "off topic" responses:

 

On topic:

 

1. The double hypocrisy is noted. I'm not sure giving or receiving makes much difference. }(

 

Off topic:

 

1. I'm happy that your Mother appears to be proud of your brother, and I'm sad to think that that's sour grapes for you.

 

2. Discretion is often subjective. Sharing intimate details with another is a basic human condition. If you think that escorts don't need that outlet as much as any other humans, you have a grotesque take on life, my friend. x(

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Is there anything STRONGER then the sexual urges?

 

Th sexual feelings drive people to do the unthinkable at times.

And who should know it better then a gay guy, who had to deal so hard with accepting their feelings and acting on them in a constructive manner. Yet, they can be very critical of anyone else, who shares the same plight in life. Be it a priest or congressman, etc.

 

I learned first hand, that almost all the people locked in a Psychiatric Ward had conflicts with sex and religion, which was the cause of their mental breakdown. And they had no one who could help them at the time before it became an irreversible state of mind. Very sad. Everyone who has been able to make a successful adaptation to their sexual feelings should be grateful for the strength to deal with the serious conflicts induced by the misunderstanding of their society.

 

As for the priest, confession erases any problems with the BIG GUY in the Sky! ;(

 

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Hmmmm... I can say from some investigation/inquiry of the matter... not all religeons advocate celibacy... some approve priest to be gay and married... or at least partnered to other males. Misappropriating funds??? How does one know this? The "Priest may have a trust fund or inheritance. Lot of open ends here.... no pun intended, (Although I enjoyed thinking about that! Hee Hee!)! Are Priests not in some sense Human??? Do they lack the need for Intimacy and can any person really be expected to give up the natural Human desire to be sexual, sensual, Intimate physically? Imagine a life void of Intimacy.... a Life where you can only be giving love to others and not be getting Love back in return. OUCH!

It was interesting growing up in a very native American Family where most of the males where in Medicine. Medicine men were traditionally "Sexual" not seen as str8t or gay~ Just "Sexual"... but revered and seen as Holy just the same... Seems like really it was mostly the spinoffs of Catholicism that had some issues~ Republican or Catholic... ther are gay ones... priest or nuns there are gay ones. I am sure it is a big dillemma but something they desire just the same being Human beings~ I mean really... how realisitc is it to abstain from sexual expression? That is like saying Men Married to Women never hire Escorts or have sex outside of their marriage! LOL!

Really though... why ask? Confidentiality is the name of the game! Is there any one of us who at some point in time in some manner of their life is not a hippocrite??? That's a funny term anyway... people are more likely to be in a point of self discovery and growing... Are all children hippocrites and should we discriminate against them? Are all adults completely self aware and beyond any point of growning and self discovery? Are adults completely wise and knowing? Most people would find their sense of God perfect... btu not any Human individual... including Christ... whose sexuality, BTW, is still a mystery.... the jury is still out~

 

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P.S. It is not any importance to disclose this Priest as a BTTM and I think that any one of us would feel pretty threatened if our sexual sexual preference and positions were explicitly posted for public judgement. Your Escort Friend Roommate might reconsider his own vows of confidentiality??? If we are gonna run the Catholic gammot here: Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone~

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P.S.S. Should it be any more a hippocracy for a Catholic Priest to "break/Bend" his vows them a married man or partnered Man ro Woman? Monogamy is Monogamy... whether married to some learned premonition of God or a Spouse. The real question is how possible and probable is it for any of the majority of Human beings to be Non-sexual and not need Intimacy?

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I was confused at first by your title: I believe it should have referred to "clergymen" rather than "theologians", since the two categories are not the same, though there may be overlaps. As for the topic itself, it seems to me to be more moral for a priest to hire an escort than to take advantage of his position to seduce his parishoners. And it sounds like you take too much satisfaction in letting us know what gossip your roomate passes on to you--you could have raised the topic without the details of his story. I suspect that readers on this MB will think twice about hiring him after this indiscretion.

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Ok let’s first get our terms straight here. The term theologian simply refers to “a specialist in theology” and theology is simply “the study of religious faith, practice, and experience”. Priests, ministers, rabbis, etc. are NOT necessarily theologians they are practitioners and purveyors of their faith.

 

It is frankly presumptuous and absurd to consider the fact that a priest hires and pays an escort as acts of hypocrisy and misappropriation of funds. As far as the hypocrisy issue is concerned that is a judgment call for the priest and nobody else’s damn business. The priest, and the priest alone, must reconcile his behavior and the teaching of his church. If he can do that and he isn’t messing around with children that is just fine as far as I’m concerned. A priest is provided with a monthly salary or stipend and how the hell he spends it is his own business NOT anybody else’s.

 

To quote one of my least favorite books – the Bible – “judge not lest ye be judged” (Matt 7: 2-7). Come on – lighten up and cut the sanctimonious bull shit.

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Boomer you are absolutely correct --- TECHNICALLY. However I have a number of friends who consider themselves devout Roman Catholics and yet knowledgeably and willfully ignore specific teachings and/or laws of the Church. One friend, in particular, who is both a reader and deaconess, practiced birth control and therefore had only two children. She was and is fully aware of the Church’s position on this issue but feels it is a matter of personal conscience and that her belief in no way jeopardizes her membership and devotion to the Roman Catholic Church. Weird – I agree. If, however, individual church members can and do make this type of distinction I see no reason why a priest cannot do the same thing regarding the issue of homosexuality. Historically there have been few institutions more absolute than the Roman Catholic Church but whether the Pope or Curia like it or not those days are gone forever. Today all members of the church both laity and clergy are making their own decisions in more and more areas.

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>P.S. It is not any importance to disclose this Priest as a

>BTTM and I think that any one of us would feel pretty

>threatened if our sexual sexual preference and positions were

>explicitly posted for public judgement. Your Escort Friend

>Roommate might reconsider his own vows of confidentiality???

 

As he didn't name the priest or the parish I fail to undersand how he betrayed any confidences.

 

And as for the original post that referred to the priest misusung church funds..... Priests do receive paychecks, you know. Perhaps it was his own hard earned income he used.

 

I know of a priest who is quite well off, simply by being able to save and invest most of his salary as the church pays for his basic needs such as shelter and food. He even drives a better car that I do, paid for entirely from his savings.

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I have tons of experience in the "fields of religion"<G> These guys are some VERY long-term clients so I would never violate confidentiality. BUT, they do make excellent bottoms. They love it deep-n-hard. Although I'm not into the strip scene club scene, they frequent them quite often...gay cruises too are really popular.

 

I don't make any value judgments. Men's occupations aren't my concern. Yet, I have been in some strange situations where I've had the feeling that the walls were staring at me. Very creepy & very naughty!!

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The creator of the thread wrote the following: "...he was so taken aback by what seemed to him to be the client almost blatantly flaunting his behavior."

 

Your friend DID NOT have to follow through with his escorting in this particular venue and with the priest. He could have candidly given a reason and left! Who held a gun or another harmful weapon to his head?

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Priests/Ministers/Rabbi/… using escorts is a salacious subject bound to hit many people’s opinions.

 

For years at Rounds there was a priest from NJ who used to come in and pick up boys. Funny enough, he never had direct sex with them. It would be an overnight spanking or tickling (I forget which) in his rectory in NJ. He did not want the working boys to know he was a priest but it was obvious when he took them back. There was no sex between him and the boy, so you could have a great debate about whether he was sinning or not. He had money before he entered the church, so I assume he did not use church funds.

 

Many gay priests of his age became priests, because it was easier to be a priest than to put up with the pressure to marry a woman and procreate. It also made their family happy. Of course the vow of celibacy is not one for most people so they eventually break it (sometimes with escorts, sometimes with parishioners – even sometime young ones). It is just part of the twisted dynamic of a religion that denies sex is a healthy part of life other than for procreation.

 

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"Misappropriating funds??? How does one know this? The "Priest may have a trust fund or inheritance."

Priest's take a vow of poverty, so any money they had before they came into the priesthood they would give away to family or church.

If a person gives a priest a gift in most cases that gift will be left with the church he was serving when he was given the gift.

Now that being said, maybe a priest is given a discresionary amount of money that he can use as he pleases, but the catch here, is that money would be intended for things like books, etc. The priests that I have known are very poor people. They own next to nothing.

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Well, this post certainly drew more attention than I expected. }(

 

I'll let it be with these two comments:

 

1. I should have said, "Clergyman." ;-)

 

2. I'd be curious how many escorts who have roommates or partners occasionally (or more often) discuss their clients in private conversations. But I'm not going to go there, except to observe that, prior to my current living situation, I had close friendships with 3 escorts who I mentored, and all of them discussed various clients with me. Like I said earlier, it's a basic human condition, and if you don't think it happens, you're awfully naive. x(

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Vow of Poverty

 

Louis,

 

Diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty. The vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience are taken by those who enter the orders (Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, etc.); they are called regular clergy (they follow a rule (regula) of life). Clergy who work in parishes are called secular clergy (meaning they work in the world and do not live in a monastery away from the world) or diocesan clergy, and they do not take a vow of poverty. So any money they have from family and the salary they are paid is theirs to keep and spend as they see fit. If they make money on the stock market, that is theirs. Usually they leave everything to the church when they die, but this is not required. When Cardinal Cody of Chicago died, for example, he left a house and vacation home to his cousin and various other bequests to other people.

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So your roomie discusses his clients with you?

 

Dude, I've had several escorts and porn stars as roomies over the years and the one thing they'd NEVER do is discuss their clients.

 

Perhaps I chose the right roomies, but they all took the issue of discretion seriously. I heard a lot of lurid details about sexual situations, leather, boots, a really weird thing with a traffic cone, whatever, but never a peep about the clients.

 

What you've just proved is that your roomie (DJ in Mpls -- you've posted it before so it's no secret) cannot be trusted because he'll talk to you and you'll post what you heard in public.

 

Nice work. You've destroyed any illusion of discretion for him, and for yourself as well.

 

I like DJ's look but I sure wouldn't hire him knowing I'd be discussed here the next day.

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