Should I be concerned?

[+ Reisr30]

I wanted to get some advice regarding a situation I experienced with a companion. First let me say I have only had positive experiences with him. During one of our meeting I went to the bathroom and noticed a syringe. When I asked him about it he mentioned he was on a schedule of testosterone. Btw, he is built... I have to be honest I have zero tolerance for drugs. I took his word that I was testosterone but I am concerned because:

 

- i am not sure if testosterone is the same as steroids or is an illegal substance

- I have a strict no drug policy and what if it was something else; though I don’t think he would lie

 

It would be different if he was diabetic and it was insulin but I would hope we would not need to take his medication during a meeting unless it was an emergency

 

Maybe I’m over reacting but it freaked me out and I am not sure if we should meet again

[+ poolboy48220]

Whatever it was, I'd question the judgement of a guy who leaves a syringe out when he's expecting a client.

[+ FrankR]

I wanted to get some advice regarding a situation I experienced with a companion. First let me say I have only had positive experiences with him. During one of our meeting I went to the bathroom and noticed a syringe. When I asked him about it he mentioned he was on a schedule of testosterone. Btw, he is built... I have to be honest I have zero tolerance for drugs. I took his word that I was testosterone but I am concerned because:

 

- i am not sure if testosterone is the same as steroids or is an illegal substance

- I have a strict no drug policy and what if it was something else; though I don’t think he would lie

 

It would be different if he was diabetic and it was insulin but I would hope we would not need to take his medication during a meeting unless it was an emergency

 

Maybe I’m over reacting but it freaked me out and I am not sure if we should meet again

Why did this experience freak you out? Apart from the visible syringe, was he acting weird, or clearly high (dilated pupils etc)?

 

@poolboy48220 has a point about his judgment, but for me this falls into the category of ‘not my business’.

 

I dont use drugs - never had a use for them and certainly dont keep any around the house, but I am not alarmed when I hear about people using them for recreation purposes. In fact, some would call coffee a drug, or cigarettes. The line gets very fuzzy so I try not to judge. ?

 

Most testosterone treatments use creams or patches, but I have heard about injectables.?

 

So my advice would be to not let this ruin it for you. You mention many positive experiences - ask him to put the syringe away, share with him that drug related paraphernalia bothers you and take it from there. ?

[+ Reisr30]

Whatever it was, I'd question the judgement of a guy who leaves a syringe out when he's expecting a client.

Thanks! To clarify we had an extended meeting so it was where I was staying not his place.

[+ Reisr30]

Why did this experience freak you out? Apart from the visible syringe, was he acting weird, or clearly high (dilated pupils etc)?

 

@poolboy48220 has a point about his judgment, but for me this falls into the category of ‘not my business’.

 

I dont use drugs - never had a use for them and certainly dont keep any around the house, but I am not alarmed when I hear about people using them for recreation purposes. In fact, some would call coffee a drug, or cigarettes. The line gets very fuzzy so I try not to judge. ?

 

Most testosterone treatments use creams or patches, but I have heard about injectables.?

 

So my advice would be to not let this ruin it for you. You mention many positive experiences - ask him to put the syringe away, share with him that drug related paraphernalia bothers you and take it from there. ?

 

Thank you. I don’t judge people but for me it’s a show stopper. I will not meet with any gentleman who uses illegal substances regardless of how great their reviews are; my own preference. This is particularly important since I normally meet them where I am staying.

 

However, since I have had great experiences with him, I think explaining to him my preference that he does not bring them when we meet is a good suggestion. If he has an issue with that then we can part ways.

[Deadlift1]

Many men inject hormones or ED drugs because they can't obtain optimum levels through the skin. And it's legal. I'm with Reiser it's none of your business. Why don't u steal the syringe and have it tested. Jeeze. Or shut up and suck his dick.

[+ Reisr30]

Many men inject hormones or ED drugs because they can't obtain optimum levels through the skin. And it's legal. I'm with Reiser it's none of your business. Why don't u steal the syringe and have it tested. Jeeze. Or shut up and suck his dick.

 

I think you mean you are with another poster to this thread, I’m Reisr30 the OP. I don’t understand the hostility; I was asking a question and he’s bringing this to my place. Thank you for your opinion.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Reisr30

[+ Charlie]

Testosterone is not illegal, but it is a controlled drug that has to be prescribed by a doctor. It is not unusual for a doctor to prescribe it for someone whose regular clinical tests indicate his testosterone level is low, because that does have health implications. I am using it now, in gel form, at my doctor's advice.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Charlie

[MikeBiDude]

I wanted to get some advice regarding a situation I experienced with a companion. First let me say I have only had positive experiences with him. During one of our meeting I went to the bathroom and noticed a syringe. When I asked him about it he mentioned he was on a schedule of testosterone. Btw, he is built... I have to be honest I have zero tolerance for drugs. I took his word that I was testosterone but I am concerned because:

 

- i am not sure if testosterone is the same as steroids or is an illegal substance

- I have a strict no drug policy and what if it was something else; though I don’t think he would lie

 

It would be different if he was diabetic and it was insulin but I would hope we would not need to take his medication during a meeting unless it was an emergency

 

Maybe I’m over reacting but it freaked me out and I am not sure if we should meet again

Is he a top for you? Possibly a TriMix injection to get an erection, and he didn’t want you to know.

 

Which of course as stated above- is his business not your’s.

[Deadlift1]

Thanks! To clarify we had an extended meeting so it was where I was staying not his place.

Sorry I meant FrankR. I'm sorry you feel I'm being hostile but you should re read ur posts. You sound like someone who is very rigid and would berate a waitress or cashier for making a mistake. Just different personalities trying to make it through this world I guess.

[+ Reisr30]

Sorry I meant FrankR. I'm sorry you feel I'm being hostile but you should re read ur posts. You sound like someone who is very rigid and would berate a waitress or cashier for making a mistake. Just different personalities trying to make it through this world I guess.

 

I am very rigid when it comes to drug use; that’s just me but I don’t judge others for what they decide to do because it’s not my place to do so. Instead I stay away from the situation when it presents itself. I asked the question because (1) I had a good experience with him (2) I know nothing about testosterone injections and whether they are illegal, controlled or lumped in with steroids.

 

I am not someone who berates people; I treat people the way I like to be treated (e.g. respectfully) regardless of their station in life. Thanks for your post; in the end I agree different people have different communication styles and it is important to understand that.

[caliguy]

Yeah, he wanted to make sure he was hard for you. Tri mix most likely. If he came out bug eyes and grinding his teeth that would be a real concern for you. Learn to relax a bit.

[Guest]

Testosterone by injection is a lot less expensive than by gel or patch. Some insurers (including the one I most commonly work with) will only cover the injection. Tri-mix is also an often-used alternative for erection difficulties. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. I guess you could rummage through his stuff if you're really curious. The vial will probably tell you what he's injecting. If it's testosterone, the bottle will probably say testosterone cypionate.

[+ Reisr30]

Testosterone by injection is a lot less expensive than by gel or patch. Some insurers (including the one I most commonly work with) will only cover the injection. Tri-mix is also an often-used alternative for erection difficulties. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. I guess you could rummage through his stuff if you're really curious. The vial will probably tell you what he's injecting. If it's testosterone, the bottle will probably say testosterone cypionate.

 

Thanks, I appreciate the response. A few things, I would never rummage through someone’s things without permission; when I came out of the bathroom I asked him straight out about it since it was on the sink and he told me it was testosterone and there’s no reason to think he was lying. Looks like from what the responses testosterone is not an illegal substance or dangerous.

 

Now I will decide if I ever meet him again. I didn’t think people would get so upset with my question; I didn’t think it was controversial. I think I’ll be careful what I ask the forum in the future.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Reisr30

[Deadlift1]

1. U got upset. Nobody else got upset.

2. It's not controversial.

3. If u want to be careful next time it is your decision but you will miss out on good information.

[+ Reisr30]

@Deadlift1 I did not get upset and remained polite in my responses. We can agree to disagree and I will enjoy the rest of my weekend and hope you enjoy yours. Thanks again for the responses.

[MscleLovr]

Yes @Reisr30 your posts were polite. Please don’t stop posting in this forum as I found the thread you started interesting. And I too would be alarmed if someone brought drugs to a meeting with me.

 

Just an aside, but I have as my general physician a man who is widely regarded as the best in Europe. I once asked him about testosterone supplementation as it has been discussed here before. His view was that there is no safe level of supplementation as no-one knows what is a normal level for a man. So there’s a strong contrast between the prevailing attitudes about this between the US and Europe.

Edited October 6, 2019 by MscleLovr

[Guest]

Many men inject hormones or ED drugs because they can't obtain optimum levels through the skin. And it's legal. I'm with Reiser it's none of your business. Why don't u steal the syringe and have it tested. Jeeze. Or shut up and suck his dick.

I am very rigid when it comes to drug use; that’s just me but I don’t judge others for what they decide to do because it’s not my place to do so. Instead I stay away from the situation when it presents itself. I asked the question because (1) I had a good experience with him (2) I know nothing about testosterone injections and whether they are illegal, controlled or lumped in with steroids.

 

I am not someone who berates people; I treat people the way I like to be treated (e.g. respectfully) regardless of their station in life. Thanks for your post; in the end I agree different people have different communication styles and it is important to understand that.

If R30 had been rummaging through his stuff when he noticed the syringe, then I would agree that it would be none of his business. According to his account, however, the syringe was left out and plainly visible. In that case, not only did the escort lose any claim to privacy regarding his taking injectable medications or drugs, but his leaving the syringe out begged the question. I would expect anyone in R30's position to ask. There's no way to know whether the escort is injecting testosterone, Trimix, or heroin. If he's taking testosterone, no way to know if it's being prescribed or if he's getting it on the street (unless you see the Rx label on his testosterone bottle). All forms of testosterone are steroids, but there are many steroids other than testosterone. That being said, when someone states they're doing 'roids, they're usually referring to testosterone of some form.

I'm not convinced testosterone should be a controlled substance, but it certainly is in the US. I suspect it's because it will give athletes an edge over an athlete not doing testosterone in many if not most sports. It doesn't make a person feel "high", but will generally improve a person's mood. When taken in doses higher than normal physiological levels, it can lead to anger and aggression.

I found R30's question reasonable, and DL1's response unnecessarily hostile. If he's traveling with someone, it most certainly is his business if the person with whom he's traveling is doing illegal drugs, because if they're caught with an illicit substance, R30 could be dragged into legal jeopardy. Telling R30 to "shut up" was quite frankly rather rude. I hope R30 isn't discouraged from asking questions in the future. On forums such as this, one has to be prepared to deal with rude people.

If I were traveling with someone and he left a syringe on the bathroom sink, I would question what was in that syringe. And if I were traveling with someone who was illegally taking controlled substances, I would stop traveling with that person. Why would I risk my medical license by traveling with someone with an illicit drug habit?

[Guest]

Many men inject hormones or ED drugs because they can't obtain optimum levels through the skin. And it's legal. I'm with Reiser it's none of your business. Why don't u steal the syringe and have it tested. Jeeze. Or shut up and suck his dick.

I am very rigid when it comes to drug use; that’s just me but I don’t judge others for what they decide to do because it’s not my place to do so. Instead I stay away from the situation when it presents itself. I asked the question because (1) I had a good experience with him (2) I know nothing about testosterone injections and whether they are illegal, controlled or lumped in with steroids.

 

I am not someone who berates people; I treat people the way I like to be treated (e.g. respectfully) regardless of their station in life. Thanks for your post; in the end I agree different people have different communication styles and it is important to understand that.

If R30 had been rummaging through his stuff when he noticed the syringe, then I would agree that it would be none of his business. According to his account, however, the syringe was left out and plainly visible. In that case, not only did the escort lose any claim to privacy regarding his taking injectable medications or drugs, but his leaving the syringe out begged the question. I would expect anyone in R30's position to ask. There's no way to know whether the escort is injecting testosterone, Trimix, or heroin. If he's taking testosterone, no way to know if it's being prescribed or if he's getting it on the street (unless you see the Rx label on his testosterone bottle). All forms of testosterone are steroids, but there are many steroids other than testosterone. That being said, when someone states they're doing 'roids, they're usually referring to testosterone of some form.

I'm not convinced testosterone should be a controlled substance, but it certainly is in the US. I suspect it's because it will give athletes an edge over an athlete not doing testosterone in many if not most sports. It doesn't make a person feel "high", but will generally improve a person's mood. When taken in doses higher than normal physiological levels, it can lead to anger and aggression.

I found R30's question reasonable, and DL1's response unnecessarily hostile. If he's traveling with someone, it most certainly is his business if the person with whom he's traveling is doing illegal drugs, because if they're caught with an illicit substance, R30 could be dragged into legal jeopardy. Telling R30 to "shut up" was quite frankly rather rude. I hope R30 isn't discouraged from asking questions in the future. On forums such as this, one has to be prepared to deal with rude people.

If I were traveling with someone and he left a syringe on the bathroom sink, I would question what was in that syringe. And if I were traveling with someone who was illegally taking controlled substances, I would stop traveling with that person. Why would I risk my medical license by traveling with someone with an illicit drug habit?

[Guest]

Yes @Reisr30 ...Just an aside, but I have as my general physician a man who is widely regarded as the best in Europe. I once asked him about testosterone supplementation as it has been discussed here before. His view was that there is no safe level of supplementation as no-one knows what is a normal level for a man...

I'm not sure what it means to be "regarded as the best in Europe." Every physician has a certain set of skills and will be good at some things and less good at others. Different physicians also have different resources available to them. If one looks at most "quality measures," I rank in the top 10% of physicians in California, but I would never say "I'm one of the best." I do certain things well, one of which I like to believe is communication (for those who will listen, of course). Every nurse with whom I work tells me "Dr. Unicorn, you leave the clearest instructions."

Quite frankly, I find your "best physician in Europe's" advice a cop-out at best. There are certainly well-documented 5%ile to 95%ile levels of free testosterone for men for any given age. Low levels of free testosterone in men can lead to anemia, osteoporosis, fatigue, low libido, and depressed mood. To say that there is no "safe level" of supplementation is also a cop-out. if supplementation is to be offered, levels of free testosterone can be monitored, as well as can known risks of the supplementation such as causing red blood cell levels to be too high, or promoting the growth of prostate cancers.

If a man has low testosterone as well as symptoms of low testosterone (or anemia or osteoporosis), what I would hope a "best doctor" would do would be to have a discussion so that the patient can make an informed choice. "You're having symptoms which may be related to low-T. We can try you on testosterone supplementation. These (***) are the risks and these (***) are the potential benefits. If you decide to receive supplementation, I will need to do some tests every 4 months to make sure you're not getting any adverse consequences of this supplementation. Do you have any questions about what I just told you?"

The same principles apply for women whose estrogen levels go down. I would expect a good physician to say "Your hot flashes are probably due to drops in your estrogen levels..." followed by a discussion of the risks and benefits of hormone replacement therapy, allowing the patient to make an informed decision. Maybe paternalism and having physicians just decide what's in the patient's best interest rather than exploring their values, are qualities Europeans value more.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Unicorn

[Guest]

Yes @Reisr30 ...Just an aside, but I have as my general physician a man who is widely regarded as the best in Europe. I once asked him about testosterone supplementation as it has been discussed here before. His view was that there is no safe level of supplementation as no-one knows what is a normal level for a man...

I'm not sure what it means to be "regarded as the best in Europe." Every physician has a certain set of skills and will be good at some things and less good at others. Different physicians also have different resources available to them. If one looks at most "quality measures," I rank in the top 10% of physicians in California, but I would never say "I'm one of the best." I do certain things well, one of which I like to believe is communication (for those who will listen, of course). Every nurse with whom I work tells me "Dr. Unicorn, you leave the clearest instructions."

Quite frankly, I find your "best physician in Europe's" advice a cop-out at best. There are certainly well-documented 5%ile to 95%ile levels of free testosterone for men for any given age. Low levels of free testosterone in men can lead to anemia, osteoporosis, fatigue, low libido, and depressed mood. To say that there is no "safe level" of supplementation is also a cop-out. if supplementation is to be offered, levels of free testosterone can be monitored, as well as can known risks of the supplementation such as causing red blood cell levels to be too high, or promoting the growth of prostate cancers.

If a man has low testosterone as well as symptoms of low testosterone (or anemia or osteoporosis), what I would hope a "best doctor" would do would be to have a discussion so that the patient can make an informed choice. "You're having symptoms which may be related to low-T. We can try you on testosterone supplementation. These (***) are the risks and these (***) are the potential benefits. If you decide to receive supplementation, I will need to do some tests every 4 months to make sure you're not getting any adverse consequences of this supplementation. Do you have any questions about what I just told you?"

The same principles apply for women whose estrogen levels go down. I would expect a good physician to say "Your hot flashes are probably due to drops in your estrogen levels..." followed by a discussion of the risks and benefits of hormone replacement therapy, allowing the patient to make an informed decision. Maybe paternalism and having physicians just decide what's in the patient's best interest rather than exploring their values, are qualities Europeans value more.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Unicorn

[DallasClient]

I take prescribed testosterone injections at home. I cap the syringe and I often throw it in the trash and don't think twice about it. Testosterone is a steroid but body builders just take more than a normal patient would. The syringe and needle are larger than the insulin syringes and I think addicts use insulin syringes.

[Guy Fawkes]

I take testosterone by injection once a week.

 

Most testosterone treatments use creams or patches, but I have heard about injectables.?

 

So my advice would be to not let this ruin it for you. You mention many positive experiences - ask him to put the syringe away, share with him that drug related paraphernalia bothers you and take it from there. ?

[Guy Fawkes]

Addicts use about the same size needle as Insulin. Testosterone is used Intramuscular (into the muscle). Insulin is a much shorter needle because it's meant to be subcutaneously (into the fat layer under the skin)

 

I take prescribed testosterone injections at home. I cap the syringe and I often throw it in the trash and don't think twice about it. Testosterone is a steroid but body builders just take more than a normal patient would. The syringe and needle are larger than the insulin syringes and I think addicts use insulin syringes.

[instudiocity]

I take prescribed testosterone injections at home. I cap the syringe and I often throw it in the trash and don't think twice about it. Testosterone is a steroid but body builders just take more than a normal patient would. The syringe and needle are larger than the insulin syringes and I think addicts use insulin syringes.

I'd suggest you separate the needle from the syringe and toss the needle into an empty bleach bottle. You can dispose of the used needles by handing the full bleach bottle over to a hospital/doctor's office/community medical waste disposal facility. In Los Angeles, the county has regional haz-mat/electronic/medical waste disposal facilities where you drive-thru, pop your trunk and the workers remove the waste. This is much safer than disposing of your syringes in the household trash. I find a quart bleach bottle will hold over 2 years of #23 1" needles and I need to make the trip more often than that with used electronics, left-over paint and used motor oil.