Who pays for the Uber?

[Mocha]

I have them call it. Once when I called my own, I arrived at the hotel at which they were staying (or so they claimed earlier) and waited in the lobby for them to reply while I called and texted several times in vain. After half an hour I just left. It wasn’t nice.

 

See...it’s situations like that which cause hotels to use key cards and extra security towards un-registered guests. People abusing guest/visitor privileges. It’s been years since that’s happened, but it makes you want to burn the whole hotel down (of course that would be felonious arson, and life in prison for the ?? man lol). So I’d leave as well.

 

That’s why when a client earlier this week was trying to send me on a hotel outcall based solely on a RentMen email exchange, I kept telling him I don’t have enough info to go. He gives me his phone number to the hotel, and his last name, but still no room number. I’m like dude, that’s STILL not enough info. I need to be able to call the hotel, and get thru to your room with first, last name, room number.

 

Why the heck he couldn’t give me his regular phone number was beyond me. He wouldn’t even call me from the room. He had me calling the hotel 3 times to reach his room. By the time I reached him, two hours had passed and he tells me it’s too late. Yeah it was too late because he dragged the confirmation out. Fortunately I didn’t even bother going, but I did spend time getting ready. Just another reminder why I don’t set up any appointments via RentMen email, and at times I disable the feature all together.

 

I’m glad RentMen took my report in consideration, because they sent him a warning when I reported him for attempting to send me on a fake outcall.

[Chad Constantine]

I can not see myself paying for an uber. I would rather either go for an incall or I would have picked them up and drop them off. If they are going to visit me you can do it by train Ill pay for train ride but no need for a uber, lyft, or taxi.

[loremipsum]

I can not see myself paying for an uber. I would rather either go for an incall or I would have picked them up and drop them off. If they are going to visit me you can do it by train Ill pay for train ride but no need for a uber, lyft, or taxi.

 

For me, the client sending an Uber essentially is indemnification. I don’t want to travel over to them and then they suddenly decide to cancel — it’s obviously worse than their simply not showing up to my place for a booked session; I feel like an utter fool — and some clients will provide you only the cross-streets and upon arrival thereto they provide further instructions — sometimes they even give an address that’s a few doors down or across the street from their actual place and tell you to text/call them when you are close and then surprise, they disclose their actual location. My in-call and out-call rates are the same for this reason — for out-calls, they provide transport to and fro along with the regular donation. I insist upon this. Some choose to pick me up; it is indeed more cost-effective. Still others have had to download the Uber or Lyft apps specifically to see me and I have to help them navigate said apps, as they have never before used them. I’m comfortable this way. Most do not object. In my ad I expressly state this condition. It’s quite likely that some refrain from seeing me because of this.

[MikeBiDude]

sometimes they even give an address that’s a few doors down or across the street from their actual place and tell you to text/call them when you are close and then surprise, they disclose their actual location.

 

To be fair...escorts and masseurs have done this to me as well when going to them for an incall. As long as its not too inconvenient I understand.

 

When having someone to my home for the first time, I give them an address which delivers them right outside the security gate to my complex. They are informed of this during our meeting set up. I meet them outside the security gate and walk them into my complex and to my home.

[sbguy]

Francis - If you are being hired by someone in SJ and they know you’re coming from SF, I feel it’s reasonable to request a travel fee. Just be upfront about the fee. From downtown SF, the drive to San Jose without traffic is a solid hour. Ugh.

 

If I hired someone from SJ to come to SF and they were willing to make the trip, I would offer to pay for their Uber round trip, recognizing the additional 2+ hours of travel time and recognizing the risk the escort is taking by committing that much time to travel from SJ to SF to see me.

 

If it’s an escort I’ve never met and have absolutely no feedback on, I’m less inclined to hire someone from that far away as I wouldn’t be willing to risk the time/expense on an unknown outcome.

 

Kudos to you for being so nice and willing to travel that far. ?

 

But I understand every situation is different as it also depends on the escort-client relationship and vibe.

Edited September 29, 2019 by sbguy

[loremipsum]

To be fair...escorts and masseurs have done this to me as well when going to them for an incall. As long as its not too inconvenient I understand.

 

When having someone to my home for the first time, I give them an address which delivers them right outside the security gate to my complex. They are informed of this during our meeting set up. I meet them outside the security gate and walk them into my complex and to my home.

 

That’s fair. One of my regulars does this as well (but only because his entry buzzer/intercom is perpetually non-functional). I was talking about this in the realm of the possibility of a cancellation, a time-waster. We can’t know for certain that you’ll be permitting us entry to your complex/won’t get cold feet, at least not the first time that we rendezvous. Hence my Uber condition.

[corndog]

This, like quite a few other discussions between escorts and clients, comes down to the simple question of who is going to take the risk: the client, or the pro.

 

It's basically the same as the debate about paying upfront, or after the service. Service providers who require payment up front will claim that they've been ripped off by clients who didn't pay. But, many clients tell stories of paying upfront and being ripped off. Both are valid points. Someone has to take the leap of faith and trust the other.

 

I understand that providers feel like "I'm a good guy; I would never rip someone off." That's fine, and may very well be true. But, you've also got to understand that a new client doesn't know you, and doesn't have enough information to judge your character. This isn't disrespect, it's just prudent action with a stranger.

 

Paying for an Uber may seem like a relatively small risk, and it is, compared to paying an entire fee upfront. However, when I was thinking that way, I proceeded to order an Uber to pick someone up, he couldn't be bothered to be where he said he was until the third Uber showed up. Then, after the session, as he was leaving my hotel room, I ordered an Uber to take him back home. Somehow, he didn't make it from my room to the front of the hotel, and the Uber never found him. I guess he found some other way home. Ultimately, I got charged for three no-shows in addition to one Uber fare, and my Uber rating took a hit. I'm not doing that again.

 

So, although I'm sympathetic to situation that escorts and masseurs find themselves in, I think that the risk of flaky clients is essentially just a cost of doing business. Most service businesses take similar risks. Can you imagine paying for a haircut before the service is performed?

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Escorts, be smart. Don't slap on surcharges.

 

Either eat the cost as a part of what could likely be repeat business or build it into the quoted rate.

 

People hate resort fees at hotels for good reason.

[DMICS]

Escorts, be smart. Don't slap on surcharges.

 

Either eat the cost as a part of what could likely be repeat business or build it into the quoted rate.

 

People hate resort fees at hotels for good reason.

 

Perfectly said.

 

Still mind blown at Manhattan-based providers here in NYC, asking for Ubers, for outcalls within Manhattan. Passed on a few because of that, total turnoff.

Edited September 29, 2019 by DMICS

[Mocha]

This, like quite a few other discussions between escorts and clients, comes down to the simple question of who is going to take the risk: the client, or the pro.

 

It's basically the same as the debate about paying upfront, or after the service. Service providers who require payment up front will claim that they've been ripped off by clients who didn't pay. But, many clients tell stories of paying upfront and being ripped off. Both are valid points. Someone has to take the leap of faith and trust the other.

 

I understand that providers feel like "I'm a good guy; I would never rip someone off." That's fine, and may very well be true. But, you've also got to understand that a new client doesn't know you, and doesn't have enough information to judge your character. This isn't disrespect, it's just prudent action with a stranger.

 

Paying for an Uber may seem like a relatively small risk, and it is, compared to paying an entire fee upfront. However, when I was thinking that way, I proceeded to order an Uber to pick someone up, he couldn't be bothered to be where he said he was until the third Uber showed up. Then, after the session, as he was leaving my hotel room, I ordered an Uber to take him back home. Somehow, he didn't make it from my room to the front of the hotel, and the Uber never found him. I guess he found some other way home. Ultimately, I got charged for three no-shows in addition to one Uber fare, and my Uber rating took a hit. I'm not doing that again.

 

So, although I'm sympathetic to situation that escorts and masseurs find themselves in, I think that the risk of flaky clients is essentially just a cost of doing business. Most service businesses take similar risks. Can you imagine paying for a haircut before the service is performed?

 

I don’t think this was an escort/Uber issue per say, sounds more like this dude was simply tweaked out...

 

So, although I'm sympathetic to situation that escorts and masseurs find themselves in, I think that the risk of flaky clients is essentially just a cost of doing business. Most service businesses take similar risks.

 

No, no, no, no, no! I can’t concur with you on that. Flaky clients are NOT a cost of doing business. They’re a LIABILITY of doing business. Costs of doing business is hotels, RentMen/Massage ads, make up, gym memberships, clothes, cologne, underwear, leather gear, condoms, lube, STD testing, supplements, haircuts, transportation, rent, phone bills...

 

Flaky clients are a liability and have to be dealt with accordingly. That’s not an excuse for people to show their ass, and not an excuse for people to defend the actions of such clients. When you say that’s the cost of business, you say it as if there should be not compensation. Kind of like a grocery store saying, “no worries, that ACCIDENTAL broken bottle of Prego is a cost of doing business”. But, you try to shoplift that bottle of Prego, your fucking ass going to jail!

 

AND...paying restitution, fines, court fees, and get a hit on your record.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mocha

[+ WilliamM]

I don’t think this was an escort/Uber issue per say, sounds more like this dude was simply tweaked out...

 

 

 

No, no, no, no, no! I can’t concur with you on that. Flaky clients are NOT a cost of doing business. They’re a LIABILITY of doing business. Costs of doing business is hotels, RentMen/Massage ads, make up, gym memberships, clothes, cologne, underwear, leather gear, condoms, lube, STD testing, supplements, haircuts, transportation, rent, phone bills...

 

Flaky clients are a liability and have to be dealt with accordingly. That’s not an excuse for people to show their ass, and not an excuse for people to defend the actions of such clients. When you say that’s the cost of business, you say it as if there should be not compensation. Kind of like a grocery store saying, “no worries, that ACCIDENTAL broken bottle of Prego is a cost of doing business”. But, you try to shoplift that bottle of Prego, your fucking ass going to jail!

 

AND...paying restitution, fines, court fees, and get a hit on your record.

 

You use make up only in your professional life?

[loremipsum]

You use make up only in your professional life?

 

Nice. I was gonna focus on the lube part

[FrancisCA]

Francis - If you are being hired by someone in SJ and they know you’re coming from SF, I feel it’s reasonable to request a travel fee. Just be upfront about the fee. From downtown SF, the drive to San Jose without traffic is a solid hour. Ugh.

 

If I hired someone from SJ to come to SF and they were willing to make the trip, I would offer to pay for their Uber round trip, recognizing the additional 2+ hours of travel time and recognizing the risk the escort is taking by committing that much time to travel from SJ to SF to see me.

 

If it’s an escort I’ve never met and have absolutely no feedback on, I’m less inclined to hire someone from that far away as I wouldn’t be willing to risk the time/expense on an unknown outcome.

 

Kudos to you for being so nice and willing to travel that far. ?

 

But I understand every situation is different as it also depends on the escort-client relationship and vibe.

 

While the drive is long it is very scenic AND I can take multiple routes so it isnt too boring! Plus one of my favorite burrito places is in SJ so I can stop by when im done working. It is nice to get out of SF once in a while!

[FrancisCA]

My boss doesn’t pay me to drive to work.

 

I don’t see why I should pay others to do the same.

 

My boss does pay me to fly all over the world....that’s different.

Why is it different?

[tj_forplay]

This was an interesting thread. I've booked a couple masseurs for out calls, which it was more expensive than their in calls. Which I assumed because of their transportation costs, I was ok with it. If I had to comp an Uber or Lyft on top of that, I'd probably would've not booked. Now, I prefer to only do in calls due to something weird happening at my place with a provider.

 

On the flipped side I've traveled to providers & some have flaked or are not forthcoming with hotel room numbers or addresses. I get really anxious & causes stress to be standing around waiting in a hotel lobby or parked outside a random place waiting on a provider. I've even had a provider send me a screenshot of a Google map marked with an x at where to meet him, like it was a treasure map or something. Needless to say, I'm not Dora the Explorer, I didn't meet him.

[FrancisCA]

This was an interesting thread. I've booked a couple masseurs for out calls, which it was more expensive than their in calls. Which I assumed because of their transportation costs, I was ok with it. If I had to comp an Uber or Lyft on top of that, I'd probably would've not booked. Now, I prefer to only do in calls due to something weird happening at my place with a provider.

 

On the flipped side I've traveled to providers & some have flaked or are not forthcoming with hotel room numbers or addresses. I get really anxious & causes stress to be standing around waiting in a hotel lobby or parked outside a random place waiting on a provider. I've even had a provider send me a screenshot of a Google map marked with an x at where to meet him, like it was a treasure map or something. Needless to say, I'm not Dora the Explorer, I didn't meet him.

I try not to leave until they give me a room number at least!

[Ryan Roman]

If I have to drive outside of my normal service area, I'll be upfront and let the client that as a result of the additional travel, a travel fee for time and gas is required. As long as you're reasonable about the time + travel fee, most clients understand.

 

You should be up front in your profile and state that a travel fee may be necessary for meetings outside a core area. That at least let’s the potential client know in advance of an additional cost.

 

My personal practice is to cover the cost of Uber, taxi, or valet parking if I’m hiring a guy in a large city like New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco or similar. I confirm the rates for parking and get estimates for an Uber ride. Between $50 - $75 would be the limit on what I’d be willing to cover.

 

When finalizing arrangements I tell the guy I’ll cover these nominal costs.

[Bacon]

If I'm within the city that the guy is adverting in, and he advertises an outcall rate, I believe that his transportation costs should be factored in to the outcall price.

 

Thats my expectation as well.

[hypothetically]

What irks me is in NYC, providers that are located in Manhattan, adding a travelling fee for an outcall within Manhattan. New York has the biggest public transit network in the world (I could be wrong, but definitely in North America), and often its faster then Uber etc. I just feel like in this situation that method is used to squeeze out extra money from a client.

 

Manhattan isn’t “within” Manhattan when a client request you in the dead of winter after hours and an escort is in, say, Inwood and you’re in Battery Park. Sure, NYC has a rather large transit system, but it is also the most unreliable. The NYC transit system = advanced decay. You’re super late because of MTA and a client is texting you “?????” Let’s be reasonable. If you’re pressed about a couple extra bucks for an Uber in a city notoriously expensive like New York, you probably shouldn’t be hiring.

[hypothetically]

So I live in the middle of SF like downtown. If i travel outside of SF is it reasonable to charge a traveling fee? Sometimes I have to travel to San Jose which is either a 1h train ride or 45min car ride one way. Plus the cost of those things.

 

If your travel time is going to be longer than the actual session, you should be communicating this as a reason for an additional surcharge.

[Smurof]

The person who does the hiring pays for the UBER. No debate needed.

[+ azdr0710]

subways, buses, and trains (all versions of public transport, actually) are funner than cars......somehow, I just don't quite want to hang out with a prima donna who demands anything so fancy and pretentious as an Uber/Lyft.......

[noreus88]

subways, buses, and trains (all versions of public transport, actually) are funner than cars......somehow, I just don't quite want to hang out with a prima donna who demands anything so fancy and pretentious as an Uber/Lyft.......

In summer you maybe don't want him to come all smelly and sweaty. Or maybe you do.

Maybe he doesn't know the city and public transport lines.

[+ JEC]

I say it depends. In major cities subways are much easier to get around, esp NYC. It's whatever the client/provider agree to....and if it's not discussed, my assumption is the provider is going to take care of getting to me whether by foot bike train Uber or skateboard.

[hypothetically]

subways, buses, and trains (all versions of public transport, actually) are funner than cars......somehow, I just don't quite want to hang out with a prima donna who demands anything so fancy and pretentious as an Uber/Lyft.......

 

Where are you from that you consider an Uber/Lyft “fancy” and public transportation “fun.” Idaho?

 

...Nebraska?

 

..Nepal?