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[Mocha]

As a career escort, I have found that concealing what I do from people is the exact opposite way to a healthy, normal life.

 

People will either accept you or they won't... And to me, it's better knowing up-front who's the asshole. I have no room in my life for friends who can't deal with who I am and what I do. Stigma is best left for people who have shame about what they're doing.

 

Dating: I don't see why escorting should be an issue. Again, it just takes honesty and maturity. It's more than possible.

 

I truly hope you find what you're looking for. Good luck out there

 

I’m somewhat along the same wavelength. I used to really worry about people I date finding out, nowadays...they usually know about me before we even talk about dating.

 

Plus, as I’ve said before: escorting has lost its taboo, commodity appeal. Now everybody is doing it. Cities like Dallas, Nashville, and Denver used to never have more than 10 or 20 guys advertising. Now it’s like 50. So, to come out as a “rentman” is no surprise. Even the guys who don’t escort, have tried it once or twice. The ones who criticize come from jealousy and insecurity.

 

That said, Aaron Bauder does still make a good point and I can relate: regardless of how open it is nowadays, I still like to keep a level of don’t ask, don’t tell. Not because I’m ashamed, but because people can use things against you later...and majority of these guys I “date” haven’t passed quality control to be trustworthy enough to tell things to.

 

And most every guy who I’ve shared being an escort with, has later turned around and burnt me. I pretty much had to let go all of my friends in cities where I used to live, except clients. Because they never appreciated or respected what I did, or they would tout how important THEIR job is to them, as if I’m sitting around on my ass all day not doing shit. So nowadays, I don’t tell anyone. If they find out, they find out. But I’m not volunteering anything.

[Mocha]

I've decided it's time to prepare to move on from this industry, and I'm taking steps in that direction.

 

Maybe that's a potential course of action for the OP.

 

And I can accept the place where you’re coming from with that. And hearing it from you makes me even more compelled to start that path.

 

BUT...what I won’t tolerate is people on the forum or anyone else trying to tell me I don’t belong in the business. You don’t knock somebodies hustle. People on here so quick to talk, but they aren’t paying my bills. And people think it’s cute to “like” posts and giggle and laugh about someone saying that. It’s not cute.

 

They not seeing how I move. If I didn’t belong in the business, then how is it that I’ve made it this far? And haven’t had to rely on porn, stripping, or Twitter to make it (not knocking anyone who does those, but I’m making a point about this being the only area of sex work I’ve needed to be to succeed).

 

I may DISCUSS (which people always try to call it “complaining”, in an effort to not change societies way of treating gay BLACK male sex workers...which despite their love of us, the respect level still has to be demanded. Like today I received a message: “Sup, U fuck raw?” Then when I called the phone, it went straight to voicemail and was the voice of a well spoken White guy asking to leave a message for his business) issues from time to time, but that doesn’t mean I’m not out here taking care of my clients. I have a big following, but that doesn’t show on social media. I have worked privately for years, and only recently have a began to step out on social media.

 

At the same time, I’ve been quicker to banish “clients” as well (and your suggestions a couple months ago about when to banish clients has also helped validate my lowered level of tolerance lol)...because like assessed, the Backpage/Craigslist brigade has found their way into our inboxes and has created chaos and madness in my life. I used to advertise on those sites WHEN I was in the mood to deal with that shit, like when I’m sitting at home with nothing better to do, or really low on money after a bad trip or unexpected bill.

 

But now, these mother fuckers are being mixed in with the good guys. And some of the good clients are catching the heat with the losers.

[Mocha]

I'm talented, smart, and blessed to be good at many things and great with people..

 

I wanted to add to this as well: because that’s good to be multi-talented also. At the same time: the other thing I get tired of people saying to me, is taking something I’m good at, and suggesting I make a job out of it.

 

For example: I know how to work on cars. But I don’t want to be a mechanic. People don’t understand that is BRUTAL work. But it’s also an expensive and rip-off business as well. I have a $49,900 Infiniti (original MSRP). But every time I take it to get looked at, mechanics get $$ sign ? eyes So I’ve learned to maintain and fix as much as I can myself. Yesterday I spent 6 hours disassembling my engine, changing all 8 spark plugs, trying to find the 1 that broke while I was driving from DC to NC. But it’s fixed, and I didn’t have to “drop my car off”, pay $100 for a diagnostic, and then pay $500 for the fix...because I already knew what was wrong, because I know how it works.

 

Today, it feels like I’ve done a total body workout. My back hurts, my biceps hurt, my cuticles are torn lol. I wouldn’t want to do it for a living, at this point in my life. Mechanic work becomes your whole life because you have to be there to fix cars every day except Sunday and Holidays. Then it’s brutal when it’s hot, sweat makes me breakout. In the winter it’s brutal because nuts and bolts don’t want to free up. I scrapped my finger 3 weeks ago, tightening up a belt. Left a small but nasty sore that took 3 weeks to heal.

 

People have suggested I do landscape because I’m good at that. But I don’t want to do that work. In the summer, it’s hot, humid, and you’re dealing with bugs and dust and I have asthma, so after I work in the garden...by the end of the night my asthma flares up and I have to do an inhaler or respirator.

 

People have suggested personal trainer. I haven’t done that either. That’s almost like escorting because you’re dealing with clients 1 on 1, some who don’t show up...and you really have to set up a cancellation fee plan with that. Plus it’s just not my thing. I like the gym, I can train and whip someone up in shape, but I’m not keen on pushing and motivating someone to get into shape for a living. Plus, I don’t like to immerse myself in gym culture 24/7, there’s a lot of self-absorption in some of that...and I be needing my time off throughout the week.

 

People have suggested I do truck driving, because I like to drive and travel. But I don’t want to drive some 80,000 pound mammoth around for a living, and sleep in it every night while traveling the country. Not my style of living. Plus it’s industrial, and demanding and I was never an industrial type.

 

I love sex work. I like going to prestigious neighborhoods in cities all over the country, I like the thrill of meeting a perfect stranger, and then 5 minutes later being ball deep in their ass or mouth. I like being able to sleep in, not have to get up at 6:55 am and kill myself trying to rush to work by 8:30 am like I did in college. I like being able to set my own schedule, I like being able to talk to clients how I want to talk to them.

 

What needs to change and what I don’t like is people’s bullshit. That needs to change. Not me. I had to make sense to someone the other day, who couldn’t justify why I would ask for a cancellation fee, despite him asking:

 

Hey man. Available tonight at all? Know it's late. I need a massage before I start the week, and also wouldn't mind us both blowin one. I'm Michael, 38, Mclean Va. Could host or travel; depends on rate

 

Then after a few messages he stops responding. No follow up the next day and ignored my messages completely. So I had to send my assistant for the cancellation fee. We told him, you don’t call Pizza Hut and ask for 3 large pizzas, pepperoni, mushroom, olives, delivered to your place in 15 minutes...and then hang up the phone. So why the FUCK is that acceptable to do with a sex worker? Then I got my cancellation fee.

 

But they don’t see it that way. Non of this should be “part of the business”. People need to get their fucking act straight, and stop playing games. That’s what I meant about no respect for BLACK GAY MALE SEX WORKERS. those 5 words combined too often results in people fucking us around, and then thinking we don’t deserve to get paid. But I show them otherwise...I’m not the one.

 

When I get into something outside of escorting, it would likely be something that’s low demanding, not going to cause health issues later (or now) in life, and something clean and reliable. Something fun. Marine biology, pilot, veterinarian used to be my dream jobs. But I didn’t initially realize the amount of schooling it takes to do those, plus they’re tedious and sex work attracted me so much more. Interior design would likely be more up my alley.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Mocha

[Monarchy79]

As a career escort, I have found that concealing what I do from people is the exact opposite way to a healthy, normal life.

 

People will either accept you or they won't... And to me, it's better knowing up-front who's the asshole. I have no room in my life for friends who can't deal with who I am and what I do. Stigma is best left for people who have shame about what they're doing.

 

Dating: I don't see why escorting should be an issue. Again, it just takes honesty and maturity. It's more than possible.

 

I truly hope you find what you're looking for. Good luck out there

 

 

Wise words....

I’ll add that concealing what you do regardless of the field, is the foundation to genuine social interactions. Socially, people tend to ask “what you do”, as a means of categorizing you and evaluating your so called “value”, when you find that someone values your time and their experiences with you, without placing a label on you based on your career, those are the ones where the most significant relationships are established.

 

I never tell anyone what I do for a living initially, and allow it to reveal itself organically.

 

And if someone asks me if my career upon initial meeting, I’m usually turned off.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Monarchy79

[Monarchy79]

I wanted to add to this as well: because that’s good to be multi-talented also. At the same time: the other thing I get tired of people saying to me, is taking something I’m good at, and suggesting I make a job out of it.

 

For example: I know how to work on cars. But I don’t want to be a mechanic. People don’t understand that is BRUTAL work. But it’s also an expensive and rip-off business as well. I have a $49,900 Infiniti (original MSRP). But every time I take it to get looked at, mechanics get $$ sign ? eyes So I’ve learned to maintain and fix as much as I can myself. Yesterday I spent 6 hours disassembling my engine, changing all 8 spark plugs, trying to find the 1 that broke while I was driving from DC to NC. But it’s fixed, and I didn’t have to “drop my car off”, pay $100 for a diagnostic, and then pay $500 for the fix...because I already knew what was wrong, because I know how it works.

 

Today, it feels like I’ve done a total body workout. My back hurts, my biceps hurt, my cuticles are torn lol. I wouldn’t want to do it for a living, at this point in my life. Mechanic work becomes your whole life because you have to be there to fix cars every day except Sunday and Holidays. Then it’s brutal when it’s hot, sweat makes me breakout. In the winter it’s brutal because nuts and bolts don’t want to free up. I scrapped my finger 3 weeks ago, tightening up a belt. Left a small but nasty sore that took 3 weeks to heal.

 

People have suggested I do landscape because I’m good at that. But I don’t want to do that work. In the summer, it’s hot, humid, and you’re dealing with bugs and dust and I have asthma, so after I work in the garden...by the end of the night my asthma flares up and I have to do an inhaler or respirator.

 

People have suggested personal trainer. I haven’t done that either. That’s almost like escorting because you’re dealing with clients 1 on 1, some who don’t show up...and you really have to set up a cancellation fee plan with that. Plus it’s just not my thing. I like the gym, I can train and whip someone up in shape, but I’m not keen on pushing and motivating someone to get into shape for a living. Plus, I don’t like to immerse myself in gym culture 24/7, there’s a lot of self-absorption in some of that...and I be needing my time off throughout the week.

 

People have suggested I do truck driving, because I like to drive and travel. But I don’t want to drive some 80,000 pound mammoth around for a living, and sleep in it every night while traveling the country. Not my style of living. Plus it’s industrial, and demanding and I was never an industrial type.

 

I love sex work. I like going to prestigious neighborhoods in cities all over the country, I like the thrill of meeting a perfect stranger, and then 5 minutes later being ball deep in their ass or mouth. I like being able to sleep in, not have to get up at 6:55 am and kill myself trying to rush to work by 8:30 am like I did in college. I like being able to set my own schedule, I like being able to talk to clients how I want to talk to them.

 

What needs to change and what I don’t like is people’s bullshit. That needs to change. Not me. I had to make sense to someone the other day, who couldn’t justify why I would ask for a cancellation fee, despite him asking:

 

Hey man. Available tonight at all? Know it's late. I need a massage before I start the week, and also wouldn't mind us both blowin one. I'm Michael, 38, Mclean Va. Could host or travel; depends on rate

 

Then after a few messages he stops responding. No follow up the next day and ignored my messages completely. So I had to send my assistant for the cancellation fee. We told him, you don’t call Pizza Hut and ask for 3 large pizzas, pepperoni, mushroom, olives, delivered to your place in 15 minutes...and then hang up the phone. So why the FUCK is that acceptable to do with a sex worker? Then I got my cancellation fee.

 

But they don’t see it that way. Non of this should be “part of the business”. People need to get their fucking act straight, and stop playing games. That’s what I meant about no respect for BLACK GAY MALE SEX WORKERS. those 5 words combined too often results in people fucking us around, and then thinking we don’t deserve to get paid. But I show them otherwise...I’m not the one.

 

When I get into something outside of escorting, it would likely be something that’s low demanding, not going to cause health issues later (or now) in life, and something clean and reliable. Something fun. Marine biology, pilot, veterinarian used to be my dream jobs. But I didn’t initially realize the amount of schooling it takes to do those, plus they’re tedious and sex work attracted me so much more. Interior design would likely be more up my alley.

A few things:

1.) If your car is ever in the DC area, takenit to Passport Infiniti of Alexandria... they do great work, won’t try to empty your pockets and are honest mechanics. They’ve made me a loyal long term Infiniti owner too ☺️??

 

2. The idea of having a job with no “health” issues is somewhat of a unicorn.

I say this to say, that working a career in both govt consulting and then in local govt, I’ve seen more workplace health hazards, than in jobs that are supposed to have occupational health hazards. I’ve seen more people die of cancer in the past five years from one organization, and I truly attest this to stress and a toxic work environment.

 

3. The factors of your job that are annoying you won’t change, just like the annoyances of any of our jobs won’t change. The only thing we can do is asses how we react to those annoyances, and how we adapt to those situations when they occur. Ones attitude and adjustment are the only solutions. This is why two people can have the same job with the same bullshit and one person will be miserable, and the other will be happy and succeed. I had to learn this myself a long time ago.

 

4. When was the last time you had a real vacation? No work.. just lounging around on a beach, or backpacking around town as a tourist? Or even a weekend soaking in mud and getting massages? Sounds like you’re longnoverdue for some “me time”.....

 

Just remember that the only variable that you can change and control is YOU....

 

☺️??

[Aaron_Bauder]

Luck, yes. Prayers, no. That's not my style

 

[Aaron_Bauder]

I love sex work. I like going to prestigious neighborhoods in cities all over the country, I like the thrill of meeting a perfect stranger, and then 5 minutes later being ball deep in their ass or mouth. I like being able to sleep in, not have to get up at 6:55 am and kill myself trying to rush to work by 8:30 am like I did in college. I like being able to set my own schedule, I like being able to talk to clients how I want to talk to them.

 

It is refreshing to hear you talk about what you like.

 

When I get into something outside of escorting, it would likely be something that’s low demanding, not going to cause health issues later (or now) in life, and something clean and reliable. Something fun. Marine biology, pilot, veterinarian used to be my dream jobs. But I didn’t initially realize the amount of schooling it takes to do those, plus they’re tedious and sex work attracted me so much more. Interior design would likely be more up my alley.

 

Interior design sounds great! It's demanding I hear, but in the fun way, according to those who love it.

[Mocha]

A few things:

1.) If your car is ever in the DC area, takenit to Passport Infiniti of Alexandria... they do great work, won’t try to empty your pockets and are honest mechanics. They’ve made me a loyal long term Infiniti owner too ☺️??

 

2. The idea of having a job with no “health” issues is somewhat of a unicorn.

I say this to say, that working a career in both govt consulting and then in local govt, I’ve seen more workplace health hazards, than in jobs that are supposed to have occupational health hazards. I’ve seen more people die of cancer in the past five years from one organization, and I truly attest this to stress and a toxic work environment.

 

3. The factors of your job that are annoying you won’t change, just like the annoyances of any of our jobs won’t change. The only thing we can do is asses how we react to those annoyances, and how we adapt to those situations when they occur. Ones attitude and adjustment are the only solutions. This is why two people can have the same job with the same bullshit and one person will be miserable, and the other will be happy and succeed. I had to learn this myself a long time ago.

 

4. When was the last time you had a real vacation? No work.. just lounging around on a beach, or backpacking around town as a tourist? Or even a weekend soaking in mud and getting massages? Sounds like you’re longnoverdue for some “me time”.....

 

Just remember that the only variable that you can change and control is YOU....

 

☺️??

 

Thanks for the tips.

 

As for vacations: back in June I did a hike a day for 3 days in Montana. Most of the hike involved having 0 cell phone or internet connection. I was only able to go online and use the phone in the evenings. That had really helped clear my mind and refresh, but it was still with a client-friend of mine...so it wasn’t completely on “me time”.

 

I also meet with friends throughout the year and tune out for a night or 2...but I’m usually out of town when that happens, which means I’m focusing on money.

 

Some days I feel like doing what Andrew Luck of the Indy Colts did last night, which had the hotel I was at in Indianapolis in tears: RETIRE lol. The only difference with him, I don’t get that 50 million dollar severance, so retiring just ain’t an option right now. Plus, I’m at the prime where I want to be. Age 30 to 40 I feel can be the most profitable years of an escort’s career. You get the guys in their 20s and 30s who need daddies, but can still roll with the guys who want a younger guy. I’m convinced if things weren’t so FOSTA’ed down, I’d be doing much better.

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Mocha

[jjkrkwood]

Thanks for the tips.

 

As for vacations: back in June I did a hike a day for 3 days in Montana. Most of the hike involved having 0 cell phone or internet connection. I was only able to go online and use the phone in the evenings. That had really helped clear my mind and refresh, but it was still with a client-friend of mine...so it wasn’t completely on “me time”.

 

I also meet with friends throughout the year and tune out for a night or 2...but I’m usually out of town when that happens, which means I’m focusing on money.

 

Some days I feel like doing what Andrew Luck of the Indy Colts did last night, which had the hotel I was at in Indianapolis in tears: RETIRE lol. The only difference with him, I don’t get that 50 million dollar severance, so retiring just ain’t an option right now. Plus, I’m at the prime where I want to be. Age 30 to 40 I feel can be the most profitable years of an escort’s career. You get the guys in their 20s and 30s who need daddies, but can still roll with the guys who want a younger guy. I’m convinced if things weren’t so FOSTA’ed down, I’d be doing much better.

 

 

Go for it.... RETIRE...… then you can have a comeback the following week !

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

The cauldron of personalities, mental illnesses, testosterone, levels of education, degrees of ethics, social mores, financial stresses (on and on) are the baseline dynamics of this business and for all involved. When I hear the rants and raves of bad behavior I think ‘Yeah, so?!’ The chances of a smooth transaction are stacked against you. Take a breath… forgive and forget the perps. Focus on the positive transactions and bring that positive energy to your next gig. You’re only one or two bad reviews from being out of business.

[Mocha]

The cauldron of personalities, mental illnesses, testosterone, levels of education, degrees of ethics, social mores, financial stresses (on and on) are the baseline dynamics of this business and for all involved.

 

When I hear the rants and raves of bad behavior I think ‘Yeah, so?!’ The chances of a smooth transaction are stacked against you. Take a breath… forgive and forget the perps. Focus on the positive transactions and bring that positive energy to your next gig. You’re only one or two bad reviews from being out of business.

 

I agree with the 1st half and overall jist of your statement. I do need to moreso focus on the positive transactions, considering majority of them are. If porn were to be outlawed tomorrow, I’d still have a lifetime of visuals to jerk off to from all the hot experiences I’ve had with clients.

 

I hardly ever have any “bad” in person meetings. I can still literally say my last actual “bad” in person meeting was like 2 or 3 years ago. And even then, there was only 1 other that was similar in magnitude of being safety compromised. However since then, I keep a security assistant to lessen and avoid such altercations.

 

The only part I kinda ? at was the 1 or 2 bad reviews from being out of business. I recently had some lunatic contact me from RentMasseur and completely flake on me. Things got nasty when I gave him my standard cancellation policy. He says, “thanks for trying to rob me”, and then later follows up and says he’s going to cross post on all the masseur sites saying my pictures are fake (despite him never getting off his ass to actually meet me). He got down to saying “you’re also a whore on rentmen, how legal are you?” By that point my assistant went ahead and dealt with him. Turns out, he regularly belittles/is demeaning towards sex workers on social media.

 

But like you said, we get the whole melting pot of mixed nuts. And I’ll say again for the 1,000th time, not having Craigslist and backpage around anymore means the filters are gone...and they’re coming straight to us. Not that we needed those sites to thrive, but they had their place in the overall online gay/sex work community. If someone didn’t want to spend a penny and wanted to waste an afternoon exchanging pics and talking about sex without meeting, Craigslist was the place for that.

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

I hear you... I'll go out on a limb and say that mental-illness is the foundation of most things debated on this forum with equal parts on both sides. Again, focus on the positive and genuinely leave the rest behind.

 

And to those who are willing to put into print that they are thinking about leaving the business (for whatever reason...) PLEASE just do it and save us from hiring a less-than enthusiastic provider. We get tired too.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

You’re only one or two bad reviews from being out of business.

 

Perhaps back in the day, yes, but now... Nope. Not so much.

 

Just read through threads in The Deli and you'll see a ton of hustlers who have shit reviews, are accused of theft, flaking out, jail time, money up front, multiple changed stage names, etc and they're still being chased by clients who drool over their pictures... Giving credence to that old adage of men only thinking with their dick.

 

Some guys want a bad boy even if that means getting hurt.

 

Sadly, you usually can't save someone from themselves... You can only shake your head when they post the horror story.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[jjkrkwood]

We can always be nicer with folks like @Mocha who are not as anonymous as you and I are on here. If they truly weren't into guys like him they probably would have contact someone else. I guess in your own particular way you're trying to say some of those guys were window shoppers.

 

My post #6 I think gives better advice about how to adapt to business.

 

Black don't crack and [uSER=7071]@Mocha[/uSER] 's cock is not going to shrink as time goes by.

 

Really Mary ? It's not always about the cock... Often its about the initial interaction and how you are treated then, and if you encounter a douche attitude, you move along... Please don't present yourself as Ms Manners here. There have been many times when YOU have been less than nice to posters.... as have I. And it really is tacky when you put words in other peoples mouths. Its not cool.

[marylander1940]

Really Mary ? It's not always about the cock... Often its about the initial interaction and how you are treated then, and if you encounter a douche attitude, you move along... Please don't present yourself as Ms Manners here. There have been many times when YOU have been less than nice to posters.... as have I. And it really is tacky when you put words in other peoples mouths. Its not cool.

 

Mrs. Jerkedwood (that's how I interpret your SN):

 

I just don't like it when there's a pack attack on member. I have sinned, and so others and you too as you acknowledge.

 

Welcome back!

Edited August 28, 2019 by marylander1940

[jjkrkwood]

Perhaps back in the day, yes, but now... Nope. Not so much.

 

Just read through threads in The Deli and you'll see a ton of hustlers who have shit reviews, are accused of theft, flaking out, jail time, money up front, multiple changed stage names, etc and they're still being chased by clients who drool over their pictures... Giving credence to that old adage of men only thinking with their dick.

 

Some guys want a bad boy even if that means getting hurt.

 

Sadly, you usually can't save someone from themselves... You can only shake your head when they post the horror story.

 

YES @Benjamin_Nicholas , you KNOW me.... and I do drool over pics of big cocks, but I also have enough sense to know that if a provider treats me with arrogance, attitude or hostility, they get ghosted in spite of their BIG cock, and I move to another provider who may treat me and my money more respectfully. Now I am not advocating wasting a providers time, but if they get "dicky" if I respectfully ask a few initial questions in order to help make my decision, I expect a respectful response. But YES again, I agree that their are clients that are "glutons for punishment"....

[jjkrkwood]

Mrs. Jerkedwood (that's how I interpret your SN):

 

I just don't like it when there's a pack attack on member. I have sin, and so others and you too as you acknowledge.

 

Welcome back!

 

Sorry sis, it wasnt a pack attack.... It was several singular posters voicing their opinions. I didnt see any tiki-torches....

 

And lets remember, we are talking Mocha here, and as another poster said, WE as clients get tired too, and its been YEARS of his negative posts, so when he says he is thinking of "leaving the business", who's gonna stop him? He's been encouraged to do so for years, and find something more fulfilling for himself. At this point I think he just likes the attention his posts get...?

 

As for your interpretation of my name, I am too smart not to recognize your "Shade", but I am considering the source and moving along.

[marylander1940]

Sorry sis, it wasnt a pack attack.... It was several singular posters voicing their opinions. I didnt see any tiki-torches....

 

And lets remember, we are talking Mocha here, and as another poster said, WE as clients get tired too, and its been YEARS of his negative posts, so when he says he is thinking of "leaving the business", who's gonna stop him? He's been encouraged to do so for years, and find something more fulfilling for himself. At this point I think he just likes the attention his posts get...?

 

As for your interpretation of my name, I am too smart not to recognize your "Shade", but I am considering the source and moving along.

 

It sounded like a pack attack to me at @Mocha who was just expressing his opinion as usual.

 

Many guys have retired and come back, just like Sean Xavier for example.

 

Actually @TruHart1 told me that's what it means. I don't know if he was joking or not. I'm moving on too.

[jjkrkwood]

It sounded like a pack attack to me at @Mocha who was just expressing his opinion as usual.

 

Many guys have retired and come back, just like Sean Xavier for example.

 

Actually @TruHart1 told me that's what it means. I don't know if he was joking or not. I'm moving on too.

 

Keep in mind when a person posts, and invites feedback, he will get it, and it wont always be positive. That's not a pack attack by definition, its a response....

 

Sure guys leave and come back, but do so without all the FANFARE, and fishing for people to beg him to stay, which has never happened.

 

@TruHart1 , you mean JD Daniels biggest supporter ? Enough said about that source. You've been Had Mary !

[marylander1940]

Keep in mind when a person posts, and invites feedback, he will get it, and it wont always be positive. That's not a pack attack by definition, its a response....

 

Sure guys leave and come back, but do so without all the FANFARE, and fishing for people to beg him to stay, which has never happened.

 

@TruHart1 , you mean JD Daniels biggest supporter ? Enough said about that source. You've been Had Mary !

 

As you wish Jerkedwood!

[Mocha]

And to those who are willing to put into print that they are thinking about leaving the business (for whatever reason...) PLEASE just do it and save us from hiring a less-than enthusiastic provider. We get tired too.

 

I’ll assume you’re addressing me on that tip...I’ll address that:

 

It’s not so much a topic of leaving the business, it’s more of a topic of how much can a person deal with, before the work outweighs the reward. That I don’t mind putting into print, because it needs to be discussed regardless. I know there’s not so much can be done by just talking about it on here, and the real solution is going to have to come with either greater escort tolerance/screening or Rent guy platforms having a better filter on who contacts us.

 

I have an interesting experiment I’ve done: I have business cards. Occasionally I’ll pass them out to random people (usually in an already gay atmosphere). But usually I only give them to clients as a “souvenir” or if I need to prove to a client on Grindr or Adam that I’m not just out here trying to make a quick ?

 

Do you know that not 1 person who I’ve given my business card to, has contacted me to waste my time or bullshit me? Even people who may not want to use the service, and even the people who are interested in me. I could go around and pass out my business card to 10 guys, and most likely wouldn’t be concerned with them wasting my time or calling. I even used a separate number to track who called my biz card versus who called my online ads. Why is that?

 

I believe people carry on the way they do on Rentmen because they know we can’t see who’s on the other end. They can see us, but we can’t see them...so in their mind, there’s no need for accountability on their end. That’s not saying how all clients view things, but more of general perspective of from how it is.

 

So, it’s not about a lack of enthusiasm...it’s about the inconsideration on a daily basis, that can interfere with overall enthusiasm.

[Mocha]

It sounded like a pack attack to me at @Mocha who was just expressing his opinion as usual.

 

Many guys have retired and come back, just like Sean Xavier for example.

 

Actually @TruHart1 told me that's what it means. I don't know if he was joking or not. I'm moving on too.

 

Thankyou for addressing him directly. I’ve been too busy to notice him talking smack behind my back, I’m just not even going to exhaust myself argue engaging in arguing with him. He can talk shit about me, and I can talk shit about him, and it’s just going to be a shit storm. I don’t have time to argue with people who are only going to dredge up the past, dilute the “message” by calling it negative/complaints, and simply want to be “politically correct” when it comes down to it.

 

People will say whatever they want to say. Until they’re in the driver’s seat, it’s just talk. When I see JJ with an escort ad or 2, then I’ll listen to what he has to say.

 

And I definitely don’t need anyone to “coax” me into staying. How many times have someone or 2 around here said I’m not cut out for the business or that I should leave? So I’m certainly not waiting around for someone to make a decision for me.

[Cannon]

If you begin to have more negative feelings about the business than positive ones, then it's time to put your energy into something else that does make you happier than this business does.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Cannon

[jjkrkwood]

As you wish Jerkedwood!

 

Trumpish name calling ? You really are the bottom of the barrel... At your age, GROW TFU !

[MiamiLooker]

I could go around and pass out my business card to 10 guys, and most likely wouldn’t be concerned with them wasting my time or calling.

That's an interesting business strategy: handing out business cards to discourage potential customers from contacting you.