How to ask a rentmen "pornstar" to prove their legit?

[+ Tarte Gogo]

part of a supply-and-demand market is price negotiation, so I wouldn't think you were hypocritical if you tried to get a provider to be flexible as to price. but, the provider is always free to say no.

True. In some cultures haggling for “manual” work or personal services is frowned upon, though.

In others, it is expected. I can adapt. When in Rome...

Edited August 24, 2018 by Tarte Gogo

[Gymowner]

Oh brother...again the arrogance of the gay escort. Makes my position on hiring straights all the more worthwhile.

 

As I stated I get there are flakes as clients out there. I really do. Look at any business and tell me any one of them that doesn't have to deal with crap (pardon the pun) from time to time. "The customer is always right" obviously doesn't seem to apply to the "escorts that are full of themselves".

 

I can only think how a Vin Marco or Zeb Atlas (both straight...ehem) would talk about handling this type of situation. Me thinks in a totally different and much more gracious manor.

[Rudynate]

Kurtis Wolfe deliberately adopted this as a business strategy to manage demand. I think it is a short-sighted strategy. He would probably be better off raising his rate - it would alienate fewer people. His current practice could do his reputation irreparable harm. I don't know how long a memory the market has but I wouldn't tempt fate. Time wasters are an inevitable part of doing business. I get them all the time. I have found polite ways to get rid of them quickly that may leave them a little disappointed but aren't offensive.

[tenderloin]

Kurtis Wolfe deliberately adopted this as a business strategy to manage demand. I think it is a short-sighted strategy. He would probably be better off raising his rate - it would alienate fewer people. His current practice could do his reputation irreparable harm. I don't know how long a memory the market has but I wouldn't tempt fate. Time wasters are an inevitable part of doing business. I get them all the time. I have found polite ways to get rid of them quickly that may leave them a little disappointed but aren't offensive.

 

I think you are wise, and sound like a decent guy.

[MattDaniel]

First, reverse image search them. Reversee is a great app you can use on your phone to do it.

 

Second, google their phone number. See if it’s been associated with other ads with different pictures.

 

Third, ask for a quick clothed FaceTime or Skype to prove identity. Say “clothed” so they don’t think you’re trolling them to get to see them naked for free. Kurt’s reply wasn’t great, but for all we complain about escorts being flakey or liars... I can only imagine how bad the clients are.

[Jomo]

I've never hired kurtis. He is on my bucket list. That being said, he is a trusted commentator on this website. I wouldn't even think about asking for a pic verification or FaceTime with him. On the other hand, I thought about hiring Caleb. New guy. Not any reviews on this website. He was unwilling to send a pic. I didn't hire. I think each individual situation is different, and should be handled accordingly.

[+ poolboy48220]

I'd still hire @Kurtis Wolfe if he ever made it to Detroit, or I make it to Austin.

[+ harey]

This thread was seriously highjacked. The OP asked a reasonable question about a non-famous provider and got good replies to consider. The rest of this seems like a personal problem or tantrum. My two cents.

[+ SundayZip]

If I raised my rate to 600 an hour y’all would lose your shit and it would turn into an 80 page thread about what’s wrong with me or if I have a mental disorder. I know for a FACT that would happen because y’all have done it to many guys on this board before.

 

Ha! This was also my reaction to the suggestion that you raise your rates. Seems like you're gonna get critics no matter what you. I have no doubt that you know best how to manage your business. I guess my only suggestion is to not get into a tit-for-tat with people on this thread. Don't let them get under your skin.

[+ SundayZip]

Hi, how can you politely ask someone to prove that they're real and that their pics are real? I assume asking for a Skype meeting or a pic sent right away with a time/date stamp is common, but how do you broach the topic without offending them?

 

Looking at someone with ID and Photo verified on rentmen and with only 1 questionable review on rentmen.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

I do everything I can to validate an escort and his pics before even thinking about contacting him:

-image and phone number search

-look for red flags in his ad, especially in pics

-look for reviews on daddy's site and search for comments in the Deli forum. Post a 411 if you can't find anything.

 

I've only asked an escort to do a three finger selfie once. He refused and instead assured me that everything about his ad was real. I believed him and hired him -- and it was not a mistake. He turned out to be awesome.

[+ José Soplanucas]

My gosh, clients and escorts. I mean, fucking human kind. It looks like we cannot think without generalizations. And yes, before some smart ass points out to it, I am also making one. We are doom. And keep generalizing.

 

OK, let's get specific.

 

I absolutely agree with @Kurtis Wolfe, he and any other provider have the absolute right to design and live up to any model business they want to. I do not understand the clients getting obsessed with one provider they want to fuck even when he is not affordable or even if he runs a model or has a personality they dislike. Move on. There are so many guys you can choose from, go and find the ones (note the intentional plural, they are many) who click with you. Forget about the other ones.

 

I absolutely disagree with Kurtis on his assessment about clients asking for a video verification from him. I had no idea he was a porn performer until I saw him participating in this forum and talking about porn. I had never seen him before. I may have found his ad in Rentmen, found him attractive, and contacted him asking for a verification call, and I am not a time waster. He is indeed a star, but I think he is over estimating the reach of his celebrity.

 

However I would have agreed with him until recently. Based on his participation here, that I find always interesting and often well thought, I did like him. I watched excerpts of his porn performances (I do not consume full videos) and found him attractive. He has always been over my cap and not in my top 20, but otherwise I would have called him and would not have asked for a verification videoconference.

 

But then I saw his interview with JD, where for the first time I observed him talking and interacting out of a porn stage. I found out that Kurtis is too feminine for my taste. This experience was a huge lesson. I would have agreed with Kurtis before about the time wasting nature of a verification video when we are hiring a porn star, but now I know I was wrong. Even when I am negotiating with a Pstar, I will ask for a verification video conference to check that his manners click with my preferences.

 

A verification call is just like a call, the professional should not show his body or be asked to pose or anything other than have a natural conversation face to face. I like fucking, I do not get off with video calls. I want to know that the ad actually belongs to the pstar, and I want to know that his manners are of the kind I find attractive.

 

Again, this says nothing against his business model. It obviously works for him and you cannot argue against that. I am only questioning some of his statements.

Edited August 25, 2018 by latbear4blk

[Gymowner]

Interesting Kurt that your rhetoric is very dominant in nature. You use FACT, let's gets this correct etc. Maybe in the sort of line where one head directs over another you may have a weak point. I can assure you all your business classes do not prepare you for the real world. FACT. So let's get this straight.... have payroll, mortgage payments, fica, futa etc and I can assure you the customer is always right. You may win the battle with your way of thinking but you will not win the war. And that's just a....FACT.

[caliguy]

Something that some of you don't get is that the more known you are the more trolls you're going to attract. He didn't make some blanket statement that everyone should do this. He's already pretty much verified. Any requests only outs you as a troll. This is also part of business. Identifying the serious ones over the players.

 

I don't always agree with him but I do respect him for standing up to some of this mob mentality.

[Rudynate]

That’s laughable that you think you know any kind of analytics when it comes to my clients or the people who are contacting me. Go on, I wanna hear more stupid shit today.

 

If I raised my rate to 600 an hour y’all would lose your shit and it would turn into an 80 page thread about what’s wrong with me or if I have a mental disorder. I know for a FACT that would happen because y’all have done it to many guys on this board before.

 

In all honesty, my business practices work for me and for a reason. Most of y’all whom are regular posters on here have never hired me and never will. There is no reason for me to cater specifically to y’all here on this board because it will not have an improvement on my business. That is a fact.

 

 

Where did I say I knew the analytics?

[Rudynate]

That’s laughable that you think you know any kind of analytics when it comes to my clients or the people who are contacting me. Go on, I wanna hear more stupid shit today.

 

If I raised my rate to 600 an hour y’all would lose your shit and it would turn into an 80 page thread about what’s wrong with me or if I have a mental disorder. I know for a FACT that would happen because y’all have done it to many guys on this board before.

 

In all honesty, my business practices work for me and for a reason. Most of y’all whom are regular posters on here have never hired me and never will. There is no reason for me to cater specifically to y’all here on this board because it will not have an improvement on my business. That is a fact.

 

It seems to bother you that people complain about your rate. People will always complain about your rate. Mostly, the people who complain about your rate are the ones who can't afford it. I doubt whether you hear many complaints from the people who can afford your rate. If your rate was 100.00 people would say it was too low so buyer beware.

 

In my very first professional job, I had to prepare a budget for the project that I was hired for, which I had never done. My mentor, examining my budget, told me to ask for more. She said,"If it doesn't make them squeal, you haven't asked for enough."

[MattDaniel]

You do know that was played up on purpose because of who I was being interviewed by, right? There’s an interview of me doing yes or no answers with the most assholish attitude I could muster and there’s another discussing why PrEP is important. Oh well, can’t please them all. Just don’t get any ideas by asking to buy drugs off of me when you watch VICE from Raging Stallion.

 

 

 

Yeah, I’ve had all that and I will still dis-respectfully disagree with you. A successful business owner will know when to fire a customer and not let them walk all over you. It sounds like you haven’t made it there. Sad.

 

In any case, a few of you seem confused. When someone asks for verification which happens maybe once every 6 months, I send the following response:

 

 

 

Literally the least used auto-response I have in my list of responses for y’all. The idea of y’all being even remotely upset about that when y’all don’t even bother asking in the first place is quite frankly fucking hilarious and only further proves how useless this board and “community” has become.

 

I don’t think anyone was asking about someone like you, who is easily identifiable and verifiable with even a small amount of effort (like an Alam Wernick, Ryan Rose, or any other social media savvy provider). I’d agree that anyone asking for more from you is likely a troll.

 

I’m curious Kurtis, what you recommend to us clients who come across profiles that are questionable for legitimate reasons, and want some extra verification before we schedule a meet.

[+ tassojunior]

Hi, how can you politely ask someone to prove that they're real and that their pics are real? I assume asking for a Skype meeting or a pic sent right away with a time/date stamp is common, but how do you broach the topic without offending them?

 

Looking at someone with ID and Photo verified on rentmen and with only 1 questionable review on rentmen.

 

Thanks for the help!

ID and photo verified on RM means as little as reviews.

 

No idea why they refuse quick 3 finger photos. What has worked surprisingly is offering to meet in public and if it doesnt work for you pay $50 or $100 for their time. IDK why it works. It does.

 

Ive also been around escort friends and seen how those that handle their own scheduling have to deal with dozens of nuisance requests for photos from guys who will never be clients. Maybe 1 in a dozen inquiries is legit at most.

Edited August 25, 2018 by tassojunior

[Mo Mason]

Some of you guys are rude as hell. Just because you pay for escorts' time you feel like you can come on here and say the most insulting things about them? Not decent.

[Gymowner]

Yeah, I’ve had all that and I will still dis-respectfully disagree with you. A successful business owner will know when to fire a customer and not let them walk all over you. It sounds like you haven’t made it there. Sad.

 

22 years in business, 5 separate businesses at the same time and over 135 employees. yeah... you win big boy. i dont feel ive made it there at all. sad is right.

 

only time i have separated from a customer is when i felt my employees were being disrespected and treated poorly. i literally threw out a cardiologist once that was totally going over the top and disrespecting one of my employees.

 

it takes a huge amount of money to get people into a business nowadays with all the fierce competition there is. YOU on the other hand have to answer a text, send a few pics and never hear from the poor wretch again. you will also meet some very good people the same way that can be clients for many many years.

 

i know which one i would choose.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Gymowner

[MikeSinz]

My usual response is if it's not me the session is free. I dont mind sending a picture or 2. But not a whole album. but I will send you a list of my Review links ,which is quite a few.

Or just go on the Delhi forum and do A 411 on the Provider in question. I betcha someone out there has something to say about whatever provider it is you're looking for.

Rentmen https://rentmen.com/MikeSinz/reviews/... http://www.daddysreviews.com/venue/usa/florida

https://m.adam4adam.com/?p=MikeSinz.

https://rentmasseur.com/Intosinz

http://www.themalenude.com/gay/escorts/gay-escort-mikesinz-1263.html

 

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage/fort_lauderdale/?sb=an&al=&r=5

https://www.escortwiz.com/united-states/florida/fort-lauderdale/male-escorts/954-889-4715_1

[Gymowner]

Kurtis, your tone seems to be very high strung and stressed. That is how you come across. How you shape your thoughts and words, you appear to be a "I win/you loose" type of person.

 

I dont believe for one second that a person who has met you multiple times had the audacity to say "I own your cunt... " just your way of internalizing then formulating your position to again "win" with your thinking of the matter.

 

I'm really done with this back and forth. My world has nothing to do with you and your world has nothing to do with me.

 

Good luck

[bnm73]

*shakes head at the direction of the discussion*

 

God it was easier being and hiring an escort before people got so focused on the internet being the only way to do it. You saw what you were getting with me (for example) before you arranged to get it. You knew what I looked like because I was right in front of you. /end nostalgia

 

If an escort doesn't want to be seen for some reason, then that's suspicious to me. If I make an appointment, I make it clear that I reserve the right to refuse him and his services if I don't like what I see when we meet...and he won't be paid if he doesn't match his photos/description/etc. I'd consider it a breach of trust, at the very least.

 

Similarly, if an escort were to ask for my description, etc., and find that I don't match, then I wouldn't take it personally if he refused to provide any services. I would know that I tried to deceive him and would expect to be treated accordingly.

[BaronArtz]

The difference between the escort business and other service businesses is that the former requires a high level of physical intimacy that other service businesses do not require. A car sales person, a dentist, a flight attendant does not get naked, does not have his ass probed, does not suck dick … At least not normally, not with clients.

 

I do to a degree understand Kurtis' frustration. He must be dealing with a lot of picture collectors and time wasters. I understand he must have a system in place to weed these people out, early on. On the other hand, it would be totally easy for a scammer to put together a 'Kurtis Wolfe' escort ad using a selection of his pictures - there are 100s of them on the internet. As a client, I need to know whether I am dealing with the 'real' Kurtis Wolfe or with an 'imposter' Kurtis Wolfe. I hope the 'real' Kurtis keeps this in mind and finds a way to deal with legitimate concerns of potential new clients.

[MmM]

I have been with Kurtis, and found the encounter very enjoyable. He was very friendly, engaging, smart, and we had a pleasant conversation after. I understand his frustrations when there are so many 'proofs' that he is real in his ad sites, and then you get a pic collector who asks for more or simply gets off on the back and forth encounter with him on the guise of a possible set up.

 

I personally believed his ad and set up was seamless, and I had an awesome time with him. That being said, I have seen accounts on RM where pictures were duplicated by impostors. I, ask for verification myself when I see pictures of guys "to good to be true" with no other links to back them up.

 

So this may be a case where we shouldn't generalize that asking for verification as a wrong thing, but we should also be mindful when it is already inappropriate and frustrating from an escort's point of view.

[bobj69]

I’m curious Kurtis, what you recommend to us clients who come across profiles that are questionable for legitimate reasons, and want some extra verification before we schedule a meet.

 

@Kurtis Wolfe I appreciate your relatively unique situation and your standard auto response that you posted earlier is fair in your case. I would be curious of your constructive opinion on the topic of someone questionable. Not all cities are lucky enough to have someone as easily verifiable as you are.

 

There are providers that don't have legit seeming reviews, nothing on daddy's, and no answers to 411 posts on here. I have tried those methods with a particular guy with no success so asking for some verification seems the only way in this particular case to play it safe.