tenderloin

Tenderloin, very sry to hear that. But thx a lot for the lesson and warning!

I was foolish - let the little head do the thinking.

Among the lessons, if you are seeing someone for the first time who hasn't been reviewed here:

1. If he shows up and he ain't the dude in the picture, don't let him in. If he's been dishonest about such a basic thing, he's probably not going to give you the experience you are looking for.

2. Make sure no small valuables (rings, wallets, etc.) or personally identifying objects (ie, old mail) are in plain sight

3. Don't leave him unattended. I should have said "let's go together to the kitchen to get us a drink"

4. Be prepared with a bluff if things go south: ie "my next door neighbor is a bouncer and a friend -- I just have to bang on this wall and he will be here in a moment, so please leave now" or "I am going to call the police and tell them that you are a date gone bad, so unless you want to deal with them, leave now."

5. Most importantly, if it isn't working or your start to feel uncomfortable, end it quickly, offer him a portion of his fee, and get him out

I came close to disaster with one of these fakers - a real smooth grifter. I was horny and he was the only one available at short notice. I foolishly had him come to my home, and though he wasn't the same guy as in the pics, he looked decent enough. He asked me to get him some water, and while i was out of the room he was looking around the apartment for loose mail with my name on it; he did some instant social media searching with my address, and soon was threatening to shout my real name all over the neighborhood if I did not "tip" him. I got him out, but discovered afterwards that he had stolen some things from me. The ad disappeared the next day. Many lessons learned.

Happened to me too. Makes you think about how completely awful the few guys must be who do have negative reviews up there -- they must be satan or Kelly Anne Conway or someone like that.

The best film of last year, unfortunately overshadowed by "Call Me By Your Name," is "God's Own Country" British independent film. Can't say enough positive about it.

"Only a White guy could have pulled off that degree of fakeness." - Mocha

Anyone who would post something like that needs to deeply within himself to try to understand how he reached the point where such fatuous generalizations could be entertained, much less posted publicly. I don't want to pick on you Mocha, but really, stop digging!

I always find it fascinating that clients feel they have a right to be very inquisitive and meticulous in their research (i.e., account creation date, number of reviews, who reviewed , daddyreview, etc)

 

Yet clients are all up in arms for a declined gallery request when your profile provides nothing but a sign up date and all 33 views. AND you aren’t a premium member? Lol. Goodnight.

Novice, please look up the definition of "client" in the dictionary. Let me explain something to you: I am NOT advertising, I am NOT selling something. I am the buyer. If the escort wants to know something about me, I will be happy to engage in an exchange. But no client has an obligation to post public information about himself anywhere.

As for Zachary Prince, where is my "incredible sense of entitlement?" I am asking to have a look before I commit to the encounter, before I fork over several hundred dollars. Entitlement? No. Common sense? Yes.

I messaged him a month ago to ask his rate. He saw the message but never replied.

..and this is why clients are refused access. After countless request to unlock to entertain gentlemen who aren’t “considering hiring,” there is no benefit in doing so. Same with the client who wants to “chat on the phone for a screening” to determine whether an arrangement will be had, when he’s really on the other side of the line halfway to getting his nut.

You misunderstand me. I WAS originally considering hiring - that's why I asked for the access - but wouldn't do so after I was refused access to the photos. Both men lost a potential customer. I don't ask for access to get my rocks off - there is way too much free porn around to bother. When I am intrigued by a guy's public photos, and I am/will be in the same vicinity, I request an unlock. It's not like I am asking for a free test drive. Gee.

I gotta say that I am surprised at the disdain with which potential clients are often treated with regard to requests for additional info/views - the expectation that the purchase will be made sight unseen. What amazes me is how many clients put up with that crap.

I've recently had two occasions where an escort on the RM site has declined to grant me access to his private photos on the site. I am a bit confused -- my profile doesn't reveal that I am an ax murderer or scat enthusiast, and I don't think there are any other particularly off-putting aspects of my profile. I am curious as to why one would have a stash of "private" photos on the site and then decline to grant access to them for a prospective client. In both cases, I wouldn't consider hiring the 'scort in question. 'Tis a puzzlement.

You are indeed a good lawyer. I am obsessed exactly with the point you made about not asking + status.

 

I was wrong. Point conceded. My apologies to you and to @Quincy_7 if he meant it the way that you just articulated.

 

You should participate more often.

 

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Thank you. I appreciate it when we can have an exchange of views on this forum that remains civil and thoughtful. Glad to be a part of it.

I think you are not getting my point. Back to the beginning. You are so irrationally scared that you are willing to invade other's privacy pointlessly.

What is this "invade privacy" bs? Invading an escort's privacy would be something like trying to find out his real name, where he went to high school, and where his parents live. An escort is a sex worker. Seeking to understand a sex worker's sex practices is NOT an invasion of privacy. Note: I didn't say "ask if he is HIV positive." I agree that an answer to that question is of limited value. I said one should ask if he insists on the use of a condom when getting fucked. Can someone explain to me why such a question is an invasion of privacy? If you are an escort and don't like that question, you are in the wrong line of work.

I am more interested in invading his ass than his privacy LOL.

You really can't get this concept? Oy. Good luck to you.

You are still not making sense. The comment I made is that what your partner does with others is not your business. I was not asking you to BB. If you play safe, why do you care whether or not your partner may be +?

It's not such a tough concept. there are two parts to understand:

1. Imagine two people - one says he barebacks as a bottom all the time, the other says he will only get fucked with a condom. Which one is more likely to have an STI? While you do not know for a fact that bachelor #2 is "clean," there are better odds that he is because he is already demonstrating cautious behavior. One can infer....

2. there is no such thing as "riskless" sex unless you literally do not allow skin-to-skin or lip-to-lip contact. So you must assess the field and calculate the risk that YOU are willing to take - you SHOULD care if your partner is someone willing to take risks - that is part of the calculation.

That's all that Quincy is saying, and it makes perfect sense. No judgment. I personally take some calculated risks (as a rimming enthusiast, for example), and have on occasion paid the price (thank God for antibiotics). But I assess my potential partner's judgment and behavior as best as I can and act accordingly.

You are aware that one can catch an sti without going bare. It's called oral sex. I've only ran into one or two people use condoms for oral. So your question is stupid.

 

Hugs,

Greg

I think the point of asking that question is not to have the expectation of a completely "clean" partner based on the answer; rather, it's to narrow the field: logic suggests that one who is open to barebacking is more at risk for a plethora of infections. By avoiding those who are open and enthusiastic barebackers and staying only with those who insist on condoms, one is improving the odds of an "STI-free" encounter. Note, I said "improving the odds" not "guaranteeing."

To use a different example: many people drink and drive, and you can never be certain who is sober and who isn't. But given the choice, do you go with the driver who says "sure, I tie one on every day" or the one who says they don't drink? Neither is a guarantee, but I get the logic of going with the latter.

Interesting question. In my case, it was not as much learning as confirming. For example, for as long as I could remember (early grade school!) I fantasized about guys' butts. I used to think I was alone and pretty sick for wanting to get my tongue up there... Then, one day I saw a gay porn mag and low & behold here's one guy eating the other guy's butt. Aha! I am not alone! There at several other "interests" that I had instinctively that were confirmed the same way. In that way, I guess porn normalized my kinky fantasies.

They are an argument for capital punishment

By the way, I tried a site called "Be Naughty" because it was listed somewhere... It is a total credit card scam. Fighting with them for ongoing charges. Fucking nightmare.

I would also urge you to educate yourself on health issues - not just HIV, but the full range of STDs. There are many great gay health sites to do this. I don't want you to be scared of doing anything, but you should go into an encounter fully aware of the risks you take and decisions you make.

I’m married, generally happily, but definitely lacking in the intimacy department. I thought hiring was the fool proof, drama free method - pay a fee, know what to expect - no rejection or disappointment. Unfortunately as I’ve learned (and I’m sure countless others have as well), it’s not fool proof. When it works it’s great, but you can still experience disappointment and rejection.

My situation exactly. And yes, there are downsides to hiring, no question. And I still find that sex with a guy who is with you because he WANTS to be there (as opposed to someone who you are paying to smile and moan) is the hottest. That's what I have been trying to get back to, but I have spent way too much time wooing, and not enough fucking. I've made all sorts of arrangements (canceling meetings, changing travel plans, etc.) to meet someone only to have them flake out at the last minute. I am now so cynical I won't believe someone is real until they are in my apartment with their trousers down.

I misspent much of my youth in the closet, admiring but not touching. Now, in NYC, with an understanding husband, I am like a kid in a candy shop. Yes, there are some misfires, but generally the biggest obstacle is finding the cash.

Spring for a hotel room and hire Tim Drake. Not only is he omnivorously sexual, he is also just a nice, sweet guy who would be fun to hang out with. I hired him once when my #1 choice flaked out, and boy was I happy I did.

I have recently been vividly reminded as to why I hire. I am a decent-looking guy, early fifties in ok shape, sometimes told I am handsome. Recently I have been dipping the toe in the online (non-escort) hook-up world, and wow what a psychotic place it is!

Getting into lengthy back and forth with people who aren't who they say they are, or flake out at the last minute, or I guess just get their jollies by exchanging dirty talk via text and email...it is endless. Seriously, there are a lot of people out there with too much spare time LOL. Suddenly the option of reaching out to a guy, fixing a time, and getting off and getting out is soooooo attractive.

Sorry, just had to vent.

I agree the escort didn’t handle the situation correctly AT ALL, very un professional. However, this comment really bothers me for 2 specific reasons and I know many of the escorts are going to pretend they don’t agree with me. Why was the business side of things not handled first? Yes the experience of the client is most important to me (aside from my safety which is top propriety) but let’s not forget the reason we are both here in the first place. If this was your first time with the escort, how would he know you have the donation? Especially an Incall... what if you just ran out? Or what if you became violent or started being disrespectful (i.e. Stealthing AKA tampering with the condom which many don’t know but it is sexual assault). I always leave in those sitauations and yes, with the full donation. You don’t go to the grocery store, go home and cook, and then come back later and pay for it. You pay before you get to enjoy. & unless you are an established and trustworthy regular of mine that’s how it should always be. Be smarter than this boys.

 

My other part is, you only paid him for half the time. I understand you felt ripped off, and this isn’t targeted at your specific situation. In general, I want people to understand how that would feel. What if you went and provided a great service but maybe the client came within 30mins and goes “well it was only 30 mins so here’s half of the money”.... absolutely not. I understand “money is for time” but let’s be real here... it’s for the experience. If you were penetrated or got to penetrate, there abosuliyely should be no problems with the rate (weather you’re prepared or not). I have plenty of regular clients that pay for 2 hours but only stay for one. Pay for an hour but only stay for 20 mins (they cum quick) and still tip. The stingy behavior is my biggest turn off.

No way. I know that this has been covered before, but in my now considerable experience, EVERY TIME an escort has insisted on being paid up front, he didn't deliver afterwards. After the cash changes hands, you find out that he "just had dental work done" so he can't kiss, or his ass is sore so you can't penetrate, or he's come 12 times in the last three hours so he can't come again, or the minute I come he's pulling his pants on. My favorite was a guy who tried to claim that I was too large "down there" to fuck him. I should have such problems LOL!

I try to establish a rapport via email/phone with guys whom I am meeting for the first time so that they know I am going to treat them with courtesy and respect, but if it is cash up front, I show them the door.

The cleaning process is a private matter for me. Partly because I am obsessive and it takes so freaking long.

It is for most people. Hence the enhanced intimacy here.

I have a wonderful connection with a lovely, very sexy guy in NYC. We're friends on many levels, and I top him as often as possible. To be clear, I'm not into scat, but we've made the douching process part of our extended foreplay -- I think that the very intimate and personal of the process has made it into an incredibly bonding and sensual experience for us both. We are both rock hard throughout, and move seamlessly from shower to bed. I don't think it would work with just any guy who I didn't know, and I know it's not for all tastes, but wow what a trip.

I saw him 4-5 years ago. Pics are accurate as to what he looked like then and yes he is hot, but he was cold and distant. Just business. He's hot enough that I decided to give it another shot, and he stood me up. We had an appointment and he just stopped answering his phone.