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Top 3, Top 5, Top 10? I'll start with 3 and a brief reason: Least favorite: Kansas City (and Kansas/Missouri as a whole. Some potential but majority of inquiries contact sporadically and on short notice.) Los Angeles (overly saturated, disproportionate low amount of inquires for the size of market.) Florida (lots of potential, but fails to sustain consistently. Also overly saturated in the big cities). Most favorite: Believe it or not, I don't have a favorite. As in: I don't favor one market or city over another. What makes a place favorite, is going there, and then not having to keep going back over and over and wearing it out. I like to go to cities, and then not go there again for a few months. Sometimes I don't want to see the same climate or trees over and over. I may do Michigan and then Phoenix. Switch it back up, go to Texas before Florida and after that DC and back to Denver right before Seattle. Finish it up with a run to San Francisco 😄 Granted: it's not as easy as it sounds. Also I don't do much air travel so, some of these extended trips can carry on for a month or two.
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My Dear RentMen “invitation” letter:
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Questions About Hiring
I can reckon that. But at the same time I know there's the "occasional" and "uber discreet" client that browses RentMen as well. It's a thin line trying to get those types to participate in things like memberships and even deposits. That's why I believe it'll be good to come up with a way to get payment, whether monetary or not, per our private gallery unlocks. Like, turn it into a strip club: you want a "private", there's an extra charge for that. Fortunently RentMen has responded, and it looks fairly optimistic that the site is getting ready to have an overhaul. I'm excited, but long as it's not "too" different to where the whole platform and layout strays too far from what it is. I think so far the platform is great, perhaps they do need to fix the way the photos appear when searching thru cities (like the pics where you just see the top of someone's head or half of the penis because it's cropped to fit within the rectangle). I just advocate that we can be earning even when we aren't actively seeing clients. And non of that "flirt for free" or "webcam" stuff. I ain't got time for that either lol. I know RentMen and Men4rent used to have those functions, but my desire is to be able to spend LESS time on the site...that way when I'm traveling long distances or taking a break at home, I don't have to always feel pressured to correspond or meet a client right away. Each time my private gallery is unlocked, I want to be earning something. Even if it's $5 to $10 per view. I do like the auto reply feature on RentMen messenger. I just leave it up 24/7. I don't have to sit and be going back and forth with people. I send my info and my number, and it's up to them to text me to move to the next level. If they don't, then they are either just playing or not seeking a visit that day, therefore I don't need to expend time conversing with them that day. -
My Dear RentMen “invitation” letter:
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Questions About Hiring
Well in a case like this, I would generally just include it in a “near travel” and don’t include any dates. I was actually recently in that area myself. Usually what I’ll do when I’m on tour: just move the whole ad and your home location, to that particular city. I don’t even bother advertising in my “home base city” when I’m traveling because you get the ones who are like, “are you still here right now???” This way you just list your “main” location (say you’re visiting Milwaukee but want to include Chicago at a nearby city, just keep your ad in Milwaukee and use Chicago as a “nearby travel city”). Sometimes it helps to include a note like, “open to visit XYZ but I’ll be based in ABC” One thing I can give credit to RentMen: they are a lot more considerate than how Rentboy was. And like you say, RentMen initially gave out a lot of free advertising time especially in their entry to the game in 2009 (back then it was a quirky site that seemed to emulate Rentboy, but I still seen their potential, and here we are…they are #1). What made Rentboy inconvenient was that they actually charged to have a travel ad in a different city. Sometimes I’d pay $20 to run a 5 day “gold ad” in a city. Considering I’d sometimes go to multiple cities in a week, that was just pocket draining. I can say RentMen has proven to be a more functional site for the future (and their freeze function is very innovative, I currently have it frozen now because I needed to take a few days off from the biz after going from a shitty week of back to back flakes before getting a couple of decent clients finally). Also RentMen’s decision to rename escorts “pornstars” was brillant! It saved the site and protected our business after SESTA/FOSTA. I am grateful for them. However…..where they fell short is, where is the MONEY we are SUPPOSED to be making as pornstars??? Now that the game has been renamed, now they have to go to the next step to start letting our ads make money even if we are not actively taking a client. I shouldn’t have to shuffle thru tons of bullshit “so and so viewed my private pictures”, and then still not have made a dime by the end of the week because I hadn’t met anyone in person 🙎🏽♂️ -
Your assessment is true, but the actual word would be ignorant and hypocritical. People in America Play like they are prudish and puritanical, but then are out here fucking other guy’s partners, Pnp, hooking up with married men/women, etc. that’s not to dismiss anyone who does, but they have the nerve to turn their nose up at someone who does sex work, but don’t think twice about putting a stranger’s dick or ass in their mouth who they just met off an app a few minutes ago. Last time I checked, that’s prostitution. Bitch 😆 (not referring to you, but to the American gay community in general)
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My Dear RentMen “invitation” letter:
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Questions About Hiring
I get what you're saying from a customer service point of view. But even though the stuff I mentioned discussed clients, this is not about y'all. This is not simply about customer service or clients. This is strictly about advertising providers and how I feel the site needs to open the door to make the site more profitable and less work. Yes, I understand clients want to see nudes and don't want to walk into something blindly. Nothing wrong with that. But like i said, even if it's not monetary directly from the client, the features they have should still work for us. At this point, we don't have rates allowed to be listed. Which is not as big of a deal as I feared awhile ago...because it does eliminate the rat race of trying to be cheaper or more expensive than everyone else. Another thing that can be done: have clients pay a monthly membership like they already do, but let that money "revolve" like a credit card to pay for our ads each time our private pics are unlocked. The membership can be like a "slot machine" where say, $50 can unlock 10 galleries for a set period of time at $5 each. Each view can take off of our monthly membership. Even that's not the ideal plan, that's just an example of how it can be better. It can be even better then that though. Let those private gallery views go to our account and let us cash out. I know clients don't like the idea of "paying to look at private pics", but that's just 1 part of it. But in the meantime: I'm going to continue to not unlock my private pics unless the person has booked with a deposit. Been doing that for going on a month now and it's made no difference. I'm tired of having my time and effort wasted by idiots who have no consideration or respect. You get to a point where you're sick and tired, of being sick and tired lol. At-least now, I feel better knowing that when they do waste my time, At-least they didn't get a free look at my XXX pics. Any XXX pics I do post are at my discretion. -
My Dear RentMen “invitation” letter:
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Questions About Hiring
Right on...what would be some of your complaint? By the way: I emailed Rentmen a link to this post, not to be a dick lol...but to give them opportunity to see multiple viewpoints on this subject. And to be transparent. I appreciate them having the platform and being more innovative than many escort sites have over the years, but the problem is: the innovation leans more towards clients getting free content before seeing us. I'm seeing it first hand: guys who frequent scruff and grindr who have client profiles and knowing good and well they have no intent to pay. -
My Dear RentMen “invitation” letter:
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Questions About Hiring
+1 @Tygerscent And to add to that last sentence: one of the grating things I have mentioned on the site is the way travel cities update: often at 5 or 6 pm the day PRIOR to what I have set. Which means if I'm in Chicago from 11/12-11/17...but also in Boston 11/17-11/20, the ad will automatically move my ad and cancel out all nearby cities at 5 p.m. on 11/16 due to the way the time zone difference between the US and Amsterdam. So, I have to often set my travel dates longer than what's expected so I don't miss out on biz in my current area. -
I’ve discussed this before, but I think it can be rehearsed once again…simply because I haven’t seen any changes being made since. This is once again, as it applies to Private pictures. Tonight, I browsed my “email notifications”. Now, back in the days of Men4Rentnow, an email was often a good sign of an interested client: you’d get it directly to your email and it would often include the client’s name, and I think age and City. Usually always a message attached if the person was serious. Bringing it back to RentMen: all the “email notifications” I received over the past week have all been user profiles (many blank with no pic or info of the person) requesting private pics. Not even asking me personally, but just a random “this user has requested to see your private pics”. Guess how many times I’ve unlocked my private pics in the past month? 0. Non. And it’s even more obvious because I’m not displaying XXX pics publicly right now. What incentive do I have to unlock my pics for these people? I’ve already had several clients meet me without me unlocking my pics. What’s the reward that I get for unlocking my pics for someone 500 miles away, with no pic, who hasn’t even bothered to acknowledge or utter an existence of interest? It makes no sense. Quite frankly it’s maddening and I have lost motivation or desire to use the platform for communication. I don’t communicate hardly with anyone on RentMen. I simply have an auto reply on the messenger app, and the ones who text can arrange a visit. I’ve suggested before: what would REALLY make RentMen (and RentMasseur) better sites would be for them to allow us to earn some kind of credits, whether it’s monetary or in the form of “credits earned” towards our monthly ad fees. Even if clients are paying for the premium membership, if a provider (like me) makes his private pics “fully private”, they aren’t going to be able to access that anyway. Just like we pay for our ads each month, I think it would be great if clients can pay us for viewing our private pics, similar to the fan’s sites that payout to us after a minimum amount is met. Even if it’s $2-5 per private gallery viewing: considering I have DOZENS of private photo requests, that could easily amount to an extra $100-$500 a month earning. Right now, there’s no earning potential for opening private pics or even our video clips, on RentMen. And doing so with the “speculation” that the person will actually become an in person client is fantasy at best, hours of wasted time and free content delivery at worst. I’ve already experimented with asking for donations to view my private gallery, but because RentMen doesn’t normalize and feature it across the site, people often don’t respond or fail to do so. So I just stopped bothering to read or respond to private gallery requests. Here’s the thing: I’m not trying to be “working” profiles round the clock. I’m busy. I travel, I am with clients, trying to have my hands on multiple things at once. If I stopped and entertained every client who asked me for private pics, that’s minutes turned to hours of trying to squeeze money out of a turnip. Who has time for that? A paid provider site should not function like Grindr. Those ads should be working FOR us. It’s not. I’m working for the ads, and doing far too much of it. At $80-$100 a month, I shouldn’t have to deal with flakes and BSers who look at my private pics and I get paid nothing. I should be earning every step of the way: when they ask for private gallery: $10. Want to message me on instant messenger? Free once you contribute to unlock the pics. So RentMen: HELP US OUT. You’ve done great, but we need you to do MORE. Change! Step the game up. Y’all are #1 in the league already right now. There’s no reason we can’t get more from the site. Drop the premium client memberships, make them buy credits that can directly transfer to us. Otherwise, I’m just going to either keep all my XXX pics private, or I’m not going to even bother with using the private gallery.
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Well, I can +1 that. I mean there was a period of slow during the initial stage of lockdown, but I was posting last year that there were still more bookings than usual because people had unemployment, time off, etc. However, I feel we're in this weird space...and I was telling a client yesterday: there's a ton of requests for bookings, but the quality and turnover is the issue. That's exactly why I moved to taking my nude pics to private.
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I honestly don't feel it has anything to do with it, tbh. Gay men are going to be gay men. You'll always have the bullshit mother fuckers, and then you have the serious. I don't even feel the pandemic is necessarily any major timeline in this biz. Having been around since 2008, There's actually other cosmic factors that have attributed to things being slower and noncommittal including: Hookup apps Rates not being displayed on Rentmen Surge in housing/rent in many cities Fewer escort websites Political issues City differences More providers These alone have affected the biz even before the pandemic. I remember places like Salt Lake City and Phoenix used to be quite fun and reliable. But now, they're just unreliable wastelands. However, there's also other cities, like small state capitol college towns that used to be very quiet...and now they are booming. Last week in a city I was visiting, I had a client or 2 every day from Monday thru Thursday. I came back to Saint Louis, only had 1 client and whole bunch of flakes, Monday thru Thursday. Goes to show, results can vary in as little as 300-500 miles away.
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Thankyou, I definitely need to get up on that! How did you hear about it? I need to add A LOT of numbers to that list. I recently cleared my block list out of good faith and forgiveness: the numbers are quickly adding back up. Some don’t need an escort to give them a 2nd chance. They need someone to take their phone away from them, like a high schooler. I’m in between the Kansas City and Saint Louis region, and the flakes have been fairly consistent both before, during and after the brunt of the pandemic. Like @rn901 said, there are some upticks here and there where things seem to be going okay in this market, but it’s not consistent. Kansas City escort market seems to have gotten better post pandemic. Saint Louis’ has actually become worse after the pandemic. For a minute, I thought cities like this were just “shy” and maybe an escort has to live there and be able to discreetly host regularly to do well. Nope, I live 1 mile from a bathhouse in a centralized area. I can host and travel and I’m in a private residence. Yet they STILL find ways to be a pain in the ass. Tired excuses like, “sorry I ran out of time today” when they hit me up just 20 minutes ago and it’s not even 5 p.m. It really discourages me having been in the biz so long, and still having seasonal bouts of time wasting clients. What’s even more maddening, are the guys who show up once…and then flake on all subsequent times, and then pretend like the next time nothing ever happened. As if I don’t have the previous messages that they never replied to a response I gave them. I’ve been trying to screen people out with a couple introductory messages, and I’ve even taken all my XXX pics to private, and do not open them unless someone is specifically scheduling an appointment. It’s mitigated it, but still dealing with riff raft. Unfortunately I think certain areas like the conservative and repressed Midwest it’s hard to avoid idiots. Lot of those guys don’t have Craigslist personals to pacify their nonsensical bullshit anymore, so RentMen have become their new target.
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ESCORTS SCHOOLING ESCORTS
JB_Studio38 replied to + José Soplanucas's topic in Questions About Hiring
The idea and concept sounds constructive on the surface, but unfortunately it's just not common enough to actually be reality. It's interesting because I see someone looking at that idea from a client point of view, which sounds compelling to the client because that's generally what they would seek. My personal opinion: despite the fact that I do wish more gay male escorts worked together and had a sort of "chippendales" camaraderie going on...I don't necessarily advise it anymore to have a mentor or someone "showing" the ropes. To me escorting is like driving: everybody has their style of driving. Just because someone "knows" how to drive, doesn't mean they should be a driving instructor though. You have to learn through experience, and actually understand the fundamental laws and concepts. Otherwise an escort can hire whoever and get whatever advice. Doesn't mean that'll make him successful or a good driver. I even had a falling out with one popular escort/porn guy because he was receptive to mentoring me, and I encouraged it to develop, but he didn't really appreciate my views on certain things and had a COMPLETELY different philosophy on certain things relating to sex. After that I realized that everybody going to work differently, and it's really not a one size fits all. One can hire a guy for advice, but there's plenty of porn and free grindr guys out there to practice and learn from lol. I allow myself a freebie hookup every so often, to keep myself attuned to sex in a non biz context. -
PROVIDERS: Your Thoughts on Hemorrhoids and Skin Tags
JB_Studio38 replied to lonely_john's topic in Questions About Hiring
Wow. Funny topic indeed, though with unintended consequences. And definitely short sighted on his part to assume a hemorrhoid is an STDs. Like, who said hemorrhoids are contagious? Now: if it was an HPV polyps that is a whole different thing. But sounds like there was just 1 bump versus several. In which case sounds like a hemorrhoid that should probably receive doctor attention. This reminds me of an advice given during this “HIV/STD” training course I was attending awhile ago. The instructor said every gay man, especially bottoms should have a designated “hole checker”. As in, have someone once a month/year to visually check your butt for abnormal stuff. HPV is an STD and if left untreated can lead to rectal and anal cancer. And if it ever has to be surgically removed, doing anal will be an unpleasant experience (just stuff I’ve learned from clients over years) However, there’s also something out there called “penile papules”. It’s a harmless non contagious thing that almost resembles HPV. But it’s not. So proper identification is important. That said, I don’t mind hemorrhoids, in some cases some guys look like they have a pussy with a labia 😆 not the worse thing. However I have twice met clients with excess skin tags right around the lower ass/thigh area. In cases like that, I generally have to cancel the session of any anal, because I’m easily grossed out about certain things (stuff like dirty, discolored linoleum floors give me the heebie jebbies). As far as the slagging of the sex worker: I get it that maybe he was a bit dramatic BUT I say this all the time: escorts are NOT doctors. We’re not in the biz to expose ourselves to deformities or extreme medical situations. That’s why I have my limits on what I’ll do and which clients I’ll see. You don’t have to be a beauty model but, I also reserve the right to not meet people if I see they have a condition I’m not comfortable with. -
Whoa whoa whoa 🤯 let’s rewind and back this AAALLLLLLLLL the way up. First of all: I’m not letting any lowlife MoFos run anything. Let’s be clear on that. That said: in some ways yes, I do have to operate in ways that are going to be generally conducive, and not simply giving away free material with no return on the investment. So you’re absolutely right that, I am going arrange my business to not only cater to the best AND worst possible customers. Now: back to your statement, 2nd of all you don’t even realize what I’ve been through. I know that’s trite, but I’ve been through enough where I’m just tired of advertising to idiots. Having my time wasted over, and over and over and over again in the most insidious ways. I don’t live in an LA or New York or London where there’s dozens of gay or wealthy clients around the corner. Parts of the Midwest are certainly “challenged” when it comes to sex work. My current base is between the Kansas City and Saint Louis market, and even though Saint Louis is better than Kansas City, it’s still a lot of untrustworthy clients out here. So I really put up with a lot of daily; day in, day out BULLSHIT that has drastically changed me as a provider over the years. I used to only ask deposits for out of town visits. Now, I’m asking multiple times a week, just to protect myself. And I can never trust hosting anyone here, to actually show up. Because they never do, unless I get a deposit. Even though your logic sounds optimistic, the reality isn’t exactly that. And you can say, “don’t base your business around Timewaster’s”. But…don’t banks hire security guards? Have you ever been to a Chicago inner city neighborhood and wonder why they have armed guards, when that same bank in another city doesn’t? It’s the same thing with us as sex workers. Maybe the guys on Grindr are ok to randomly dish out nude pictures, but as a paid sex worker: everytime people contact us, make an expectation of a booking and don’t follow thru (after getting a nice serving of pics and possible videos), we’re getting robbed. Even worse, we may even be allowing it to happen. However: you also not understanding the whole point I’m making: it’s not just about serious clients and not serious clients: but rather; it’s the way the platform operates. RentMen gives us the option to have private pictures, but they give us no incentive to actually open them. Therefore, I have to choose myself what I wish to do with it. If I can make money off my private pics (which I have), then by all means I’m going to. In my own experience, I have met many Black guys out there (non-escorts) who don’t show privates, yet have no issue getting laid. So why is there this expectation that just because we’re selling it, we should give out FREE material to a bunch of useless losers (your words) in the hopes of getting the right ones to pay? FUCK THAT 🎤
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Actually I have to refute that statement: it’s because of the level of demand, that I am setting the terms of the engagement. I have several reviews across the board on both RentMen and RentMasseur, and the only reason I don’t have much more…is because I don’t always ask for them (though many have offered). If a person can’t set the terms of the engagement, then what is the point of calling it self employed? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Lately, most of them don’t. Usually because once they learn I’m not magically available right then and there, they usually don’t follow back up for weeks or months. There’s some particularly annoying types in Kansas City who would do that regularly: Text me and ask if I’m available (always to host, because they can never host) like early in the afternoon when I’m not free. When I suggest a later time or try to arrange for next day, they never ever follow thru. But then will contact again a few months later and do the same thing. I think some people do it purposely just to be a pain in the ass. That’s why going forward, this partial Rentamenal shutdown I have going is going to remain in place. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Brilliant! Glad you understand that. In my case I do say I need advanced notice. But many just claim they don’t know how to get to the read my text section. I think they purposely skip it out of habit, in order to contact many providers at once. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
That’s what I’ve wondered to myself as well (regarding booking system). I know since Covid some barbers have adopted the system. I even tried it out a couple of times: I booked my regular barber in Denver and then I went in and he wasn’t there. I called him, and he said he wasn’t there and was in quarantine 🤦🏽♂️ I think if I just had a regular massage studio, didn’t travel and actually lived in a city that I enjoy and have a steady stream of clients and healthy Gay social life…I’d probably settle down and just take bookings. But right now I’m planning for a tour that will cross 6 cities, and there’s not a lot of time for precision there. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Okay, let me stop you there. Don’t say “most”. If you’re going to quote, be sure to cite a reference. Because I don’t buy it. You even contradicted yourself: “MOST ESCORTS CAN MEET WITHIN AN HOUR AS LONG AS THEY ARE FREE.” well no shit? You think????? Guess what? I wasn’t free, that’s the caveat right there. I also didn’t have available now up like I was free either. you ain’t gotta tell me. Even if @xyz48Bdidn’t say it…I know many escorts probably aren’t just “free within an hour or less”. I can be at a hotel, in the MIDDLE of a busy city, bored, horny and hosting…and 9 out 10 I can’t even get someone to my hotel to fuck at the time I want them to. I usually have to wait several hours or even days, to find someone available. when I was in Phoenix last month, I did 1 freebie hookup: we met on Grindr on a Sunday but didn’t actually meet until Wednesday. Patience, is a virtue. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
But you also have to consider this: we are not “business owners”. Not that you are implying that or not. Technically most “providers” are independent contractors, and that term is so broad, I used to be an “independent contractor” making $8 an hour cold calling (aka scamming) “clients” from 9 to 5 pm for a telemarking company (I get sick just thinking about it) I’m glad to know I’m doing something far more rewarding and honest than that. I lasted in telesales for maybe a year or 2, while this has been a 10+ year marathon…despite the setbacks, it’s been manageable and most frustrations are easily fixed by a simple change of city. But point was: back in the day many providers were “owned” by agencies and such. Massages may have been done at spas or whatever. Although you’re totally right about customer service defining, this is going to be a bit different industry as a whole AND that goes for BOTH sides of the occasion, whereas clients play the customer and they don’t always act like they’d do at a grocery store, so to speak. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Well I’m trying to focus on one specific thing here. Asking why scheduling is difficult, just leaves to many variables at play. You can’t get down to the bottom of something if you don’t first address the fundamental causes. And for me, the main fundamental cause is that (at least in certain markets) is that guys aren’t putting in enough conscious effort to schedule things. I don’t want to hear about someone “not knowing their work schedule” or “how long a dinner may go on”. That has nothing to do with me. The easiest solution would be: “hey, I’m interested in meeting. My work schedule is kinda funky, but can you be open to see me on either of these days at either of these times?” (Giving options, but if a person doesn’t respect a providers time, they probably won’t think that far ahead). As far as other details on scheduling difficulties, each individual is going to have different ways of booking. My booking process is very simply. I send the following: 1. Client info form (name, age, website seen on, host or travel. 2. My rates 3. There’s or my Location and Deposit form (if applicable) it’s that’s simple. However, some people mess up the process when they try to give me an unreasonable deadline to meet by. I can’t possibly be ready to meet “now” without having any of that info beforehand. People forget it’s not a 1 way street: sure you may see all of MY details posted, but I know nothing. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Not really sure what you’re asking? Your post was (understandably) about booking escorts and the difficulties of doing so (which I can imagine is true). But that’s more of a general, broad observation. I’m more interested in why scheduling visits in advance when it comes to massage, seems to be of the harder variety -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
Makes sense. However, I DEFINITELY have that I need advanced notice in ALL of my profiles. Some just don’t read it, or don’t know how to click and read the profile section (occasionally I have to screen shot my profile and send it to clients, highlighted, so they know it’s there.) Based on the responses, I’m almost considering not posting on RentMasseur except during the days/weeks I’m wide open available. And usually the main times that is, is when I’m traveling. The other dilemma with this is; why aren’t people calling my rentmen ad more often?. My RentMasseur ad blows up with inquiries at the last minute, but yet the RentMen ad I just renewed isn’t getting the same hits. And that one is more detailed than RM is. I can only imagine it’s another example of how certain cities are only busy when catering to the discrete m4m massage base 😒 It also seems that RentMen inquiries are “generally” (but not always) more adept at contacting with more notice. Is it that maybe RentMen clients see it more as a date, whereas massage clients see it more as an Asian spa thing? -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
I feel the ones who say same day visits only, may be trying to curb the other end of the dilemma: guys why do contact in advance, but then cancel on the day of. However, that still doesn’t really guarantee anything. I have had many clients reach out for a massage, and then “something came up” 30 minutes later. I remember there was a guy on here who said, if a 1st time client cancels on the day of, especially the same day contacted…they would get no 2nd chance. And that’s pretty much a policy I’ve adopted. Like.. we haven’t established enough of a “rapport” for me to let a last minute cancellation slide. But see: that’s why I try to be flexible. I don’t mind taking same day appointments. I just say I prefer 2 to 4 hours notice. I say that number because, that’s usually the amount of window I can work with, in the event I’m in the middle of something…without having to cut it short. -
Why do many Massage clients book things at the last minute?
JB_Studio38 replied to JB_Studio38's topic in Spas & Masseurs
That I understand too, and is partially why also I’m having a hard time in the Midwest market (Kansas City in particular). Everything is just sort of on the whim, last minute squeezed between other schedules. It seems like it’s majority of the closeted, married or partner types who are contacting me. In some ways, this translates to lots of business…but in other ways it translates to a lot of business that I miss, because I never know when someone is calling. it’s not even so much that I need days and days in advance. But what I don’t like: someone contacts me at the last minute, and is like telling me they need to meet by (as in, giving me a deadline for meeting someone I didn’t even know existed, just 5 minutes ago.). If the massage is that important to them, they need to be willing and able to work with my schedule. Just like today: someone calls (which I don’t answer because I’m not “on call”) and then texts me this morning. I got some details, and was trying to get time frame. He’s asking to meet by 4 p.m. today, but I paused for a few minutes because I already had plans set in my mind for today (because when I went to bed last night, NOBODY SCHEDULED ANYTHING TODAY)…and I need to decide whether I really want to stop and drop everything, to drive clear across Kansas City and go meet him (which I didn’t feel like doing). Then he’s all like, “so do we have an appointment or should I contact you next week”. I told him if he’s trying to get me to meet by 4, then forget it. It’s not happening. Because right now, most of my outcalls will need to be during the evening. I told him, better to schedule for tomorrow because I’ll be out of town next week. No response. I actually went ahead and just froze my RentMasseur ad. I honestly just cannot deal with the same BS day after day after day. It’s the same thing everyday. They just text me in the morning or early afternoon, expecting me to be able to meet by 2 or 3 p.m. it’s almost no wonder there’s only 4 or 5 massage guys on RentMasseur in my area? How can you run a business when people can’t seem to have any patience or courtesy to schedule things ahead of time? Just because someone wakes up and feels like getting a massage, does not mean that someone online who has an ad, can accommodate right away. I think this has become the by-product of not having Craigslist and backpage anymore. I used to deal with people like that often from those sites, but of course those last minute types rarely became regulars, and some were just unpleasant to deal with.
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