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I want to make one more example of the escort side of things, and I’m leaving it here: yesterday I agreed to do something that I stopped doing long time ago, and that’s meeting a new client without a deposit. Now, unlike others here who are just talking and making excuses about not paying deposits: I actually have a real time visual example of what can actually happen. I agreed to meet a guy who didn’t know how to do deposits, and was giving him benefit of the doubt since he was an older guy near a town I offer appointments to: Question #1: everyone sees I said the price is $400, right? Question #2: everyone sees I said it takes me an hour+ from where I am to drive to his location, right? So tell me WHY ON EARTH this dude (client) tells me when an hour into my commute to him , talking on the phone asking, “it’s $75 for 75 minutes right 🤦🏽‍♂️ “ I was like, this is EXACTLY WHY I require deposits in the first place. HERES THE KICKER (no pun intended): The guy also never mentioned he was disabled, unable to walk, in a wheelchair and had 1 leg. Thats not shaming someone’s medical condition BUT, all of that plays into the RECURRING traumatic surprises that we have to deal with. I was not expecting to escort a disabled man for $75, but it also wouldn’t have been any better to drive 2 hours round trip for nothing. I went ahead and showed up anyway, but thankfully, he managed to agree to additional funds after a good hard conversation (no pun intended), where I showed him my website with my rates listed, but still not enough for my 75 minute session but enough for 20 minutes. And then he came up with a little more for another 15 minutes. Still not the $400 I initially agreed to drive the hour+ for. But that’s the type of miscommunications I like to avoid. If a deposit helps in assuring the client is APPROVED for meeting, my work is done. Deposits are not punitive. Deposits are not taking it out on other clients. Deposits are not scams. Deposits are not a front for a drug addiction or greed or any of the hearsay that is being mentioned. Deposits when asked by legit escorts, are to ensure the client and I are on the same page. It ensures I’m not wasting my time with the barrage of inquiries that come thru to us. Question for all the deposit naysayers: if you had to multiply the amount of times you had someone flake on your deposit by 365 days a year: would you still be an escort and not take a deposit? Think about it. You probably only hire every so often. You’re not posted up 24/7/365 taking inquiries from men who don’t even know what they look like. I kindly ask the forum community, to not spread inaccurate propaganda about deposits and providers who require deposits. There’s nothing that can excuse that attitude, until you walk a mile or 2 in an escort’s…condom 🎤

In my experience: deposits can make sense anywhere. Just last month, I had someone book a session 1.5 miles from where I was staying. As mentioned in my other post, it was a same day booking where I also had to book a hotel (I was bunking in a friends place but we agreed I wouldn’t have clients over, people are funny about that…just like some clients don’t like to host from their homes). It wouldn’t make any sense to run off and book a room, unless I had a confirmed client. I also don’t like the idea of booking a room and just “waiting around” for nobody to show up. In his case, he couldn’t send a deposit so I offered instead to have him meet me at the hotel and exchange the cash deposit in person. All worked out accordingly. The other 2 clients arranged deposits as instructed, and all was well with that too. Granted, this was a town that hasn’t been plagued by deposit scams like some cities have.

Goodbye…you’re a man full of assumptions, non of which accurately portray escorts in the industry. If that’s how you feel though, perhaps don’t book people that you subliminally feel animosity towards.

What in the actual 🦆uck? 🤣 First of all, that makes zero sense. Secondly, you’re stuck on the premise that the financial risk is equal. You think an escort should spend $79-$100 on a profile, with only the potential to meet a client AND provide that client with payment to cover a hotel? All the while the escort may not be in the same financial bracket as the client? Thats like instacart, offering to pay for your hotel so you can cook the food that you order, without paying them for it first of course. Try that, and let me know how it works out for you.

So that should be an epiphany for all the guys on here dissing deposits: that it’s more at play than just a deposit. From my experience, it’s nothing to do with deposits. But moreso the drugs, the hookup apps, the overall flakiness in the gay dating/hookup culture. A deposit shouldn’t be any different than asking for payment: and I can truthfully say right now, there’s a lot of hate towards escorts right now even outside of this forum (which is fairly mild and petty). The fakes and flakes, have really messed up the game for genuine guys…some who have left because now even the client pool is tainted with flakes. But that’s a by product of people mixing hookup app culture with legitimate escort biz, and just fucking up the whole game.

So you just basically confirmed that it doesn’t really have nothing to do with deposits? Because it sounds like those guys ghosted and cancelled last minute even when there wasn’t deposit talks being made?

What are you using to vet these escorts? Do you look for AMPLE reviews? Do you look at how long their ad has been photo verified? Do they have any kind of website, biz card, etc? Also how soon are they looking for the deposit and how much of the session is being asked? In regards to: I get that most of them are dealing with some bad clients on their end, but there's no reason to take it out on all clients. You see it as “taking it out” like it’s a punishment. Asking for deposits isn’t a punishment. It’s a preferred biz practice. It’s how someone chooses to operate in a biz that is yes, often filled with flakes. Before I started doing deposits: do you know how many times, I’ve driven somewhere…only to get there and the client doesn’t answer? Or how many times I pulled out my own credit card to pay for to host accommodations that people didn’t show up for? That’s the thing, people here can talk all they want about how their biz doesn’t require deposits…but even someone who has a doctors office, isn’t running out, traveling across town to see “patients”. TO SUM UP THIS CONVERSATION: People need to view escort deposits like Uber, Lyft, Door Dash, Instacart etc etc. ALL those services require what? Payment UPFRONT. Not even just a deposit, which is a courtesy. They require FULL PAYMENT, The reason why there’s so many flakes? Because people continue to undermine the legitimacy of our business. Most clear minded people in their 20s, 30s and 40s do not want to deal in a business where they have to come out of pocket, for someone they have no idea what they look like. That’s why many gay men these days are on these hookup apps, the caveat is: it’s easier to be blocked, and if you’re not conventionally attractive, you’re not going to find your way into everybody’s pants as easily as a RentMan may offer. Right now, the escort industry is already at risk. Political climate is threatening to suppress the ability to even be an escort in 2026. If you look around, there’s hardly any sites except megapersonals.eu (which sadly is a hot mess dumpster 🚮 fire 🔥 cesspool of flaky clients and scammy advertisements…with the occasionally good apples here and there) that allow gay men to actively call themselves “escorts”. The last thing we as a community need to be doing, is making it harder to create an identity for ourselves. At the end of the day, it’s up to us how much risk we desire to take. It’s not up to clients, or other escorts, or people on a forum who never really give the real 💯 truth of their experiences. I always want to hear both sides. Also for the record: every so often I will accept a client WITHOUT a deposit. But there has to be a few things in place, in order to do so: but the issue is, most DON’T fall into these categories and I don’t always have time to sort thru who’s doing what: 1) Same day appointments require a deposit 2) I will not pay or book a hotel for a client without a deposit, unless I’m already hosting anyway but: the deposit client comes first (pun intended 🤣 3) If they are more than 20 minutes away, I require a deposit 4) If it’s after dark, deposit

uh huh…okay, yeah I’m listening 🥱 Meanwhile there’s still plenty of viewers out there who don’t mind sending deposits or partially arranging via apps:

Actually it’s not sinking in for you. Bozo. But since you are stuck in a perpetual willingness to disagree with everything under the sun I say, I’m just going to start responding to you with what other people are saying, that way I don’t waste my energy clowning around with you:

There is no denying of services because I have it transparent across all my ads and website. So they are already aware of what I ask before even contacting me. See, that’s the difference. There’s no surprises on my end. Even when RentMen doesn’t allow rates or mention of deposit, I still have it in my website that gets sent along with every inquiry. It does mean something, and it means I know what is best for me, regardless of what some other anon person feels about it.

Okay, now that my eyes have been desecrated by the long winded dribble that really has nothing to do with the escort industry: I’m going to respond back as friendly as I possibly can… First of all: you are so lame and tired to keep bringing up old news, when I’ve been using the same name along with my own website and biz card for YEARS now. You stuck on some 2009 shit, grow up. If you’re a doctor, you got too much time on your hands to be coming on here; and arguing with a sex worker about what rules they choose to have in their business. I’ve been using the same name, since the last time I went to the Palm Springs event back in 2019: 7 YEARS AGO. Why are you still on some decade old shit? Because you don’t have a life. I don’t give a fuck if you are a doctor or not. You being a doctor and me being an escort have no relation. The medical industry, is not the escort industry. What you’re doing is more of a “necessity based” whereas what we do is “luxury based”. There’s plenty of businesses that require their money upfront. You don’t get Amazon sent to you until you pay the product. You don’t get to purchase a car without putting a down payment. You don’t get to see a movie FIRST, and then pay after. You coming at me with the wrong comparisons, and sounds like you’re bitter about your profession and want to project that shit on me. Get out of here with that. And for the record, even though I’m taking the time to respond to your condescending post, I did still report your post because you have no business trying to say things to make me look bad. All my reviews speak for themselves. Non of my clients have problems with deposits. You think you are more important just because your profession and education in the medical field: news flash, that don’t mean shit in the would of escorting. Before you talk all that shit, why don’t you try being an escort for a week. A month. A year. If not, keep it moving. Stick to what you do best, don’t come and try to dictate what another independent professional should do 🎤

In my case I wouldn’t request an Uber or Lyft because I take my own commute. But I can understand NYC being a different market. I also tend to stick with cities that are easier to get around. Despite the differing opinions on here, I generally don’t have an issue arranging deposits. Before deposits, I’ve had times where someone may have to cancel en route to them for whatever reason, so it’s too much of a risk these days especially since my commute can be anywhere from half an hour to a few hours.

If you don’t like what I have to post, you don’t have to hang around. Like you being attracted to me or not, makes any difference. What do you look like? Easy to say when you don’t even have a pic up of yourself 🤣 Only a coward or a bitch would stoop to that level. And you been around since 2003 and making comments like that? You should know better 🤔 Does it make you feel better about yourself now that you said it? For your own peace of mind, I hope so…now leave, please.

First off: you spelled my name wrong. Nice try though to try to embarrass me 😉 But thanks for the free advertising on my behalf. I in-fact do still travel and still take deposits. I also enjoy serving smaller markets and actually meet some pretty good clients. Kansas City and St. Louis aren’t the small markets I refer to though. Anything else you want to ask me about my curtailed business? I’m all ears…

Still assuming Dr. appointments are the only things an escort may have scheduled outside of clients 🙄

Well every person I know that I show up at the last minute, tells me “next time give me some more notice and I can plan”. So don’t give me some bullshit anecdotes about all these other escorts you know. If you want me to see the glass how you want me to see it, you can’t just talk about what someone else is doing and expect me to fall in line with it…when you don’t even know what I’m referring to. If I have a Dr. appointment or some other apppintment scheduled 2 weeks in advance, do you think I’m supposed to just “decide whether I want to see the client” instead? All of my current favorite regulars, are all guys who have been willing to book in advance. Even if I initially booked them the same day, long as they show a willingness to reserve a day or more ahead I’ll keep seeing them.

Goodbye. Obviously you don’t want or need to understand why everyone does not operate on the same level, so you may escort yourself from this conversation. There is no “complaint about someone hiring them” and then to trivialize “on my way out to do something” being something I should drop to see a client, goes to show the type of ignorant and self centered mentality people like you have. What I want to see, is people like you: drop what they’re doing to see me. And see how they feel about it. Guaranteed they won’t because last week, I had a client tell me when I offered him a same day booking (the next day)…”oh I already made plans”. Okay fine, you don’t want to drop your plans for me so don’t expect me to do the same! Yes I am also grateful for clients who book and hire me. But, the best way to go about it is to find a mutually convenient time. Even if that does have to be 2 or 24 hours from now. The type of work we do is very personalized. I’ve done the same-day appointments for years. Don’t forget I been in the industry awhile. I’ve done same day, right now, hell I’ve done: walk right past me and let’s fuck right now. But as a matured escort, I’ve come to realize not everything is about money. Money comes and go, but the same way they can plan other things in their lives with other people: I want that same courtesy.

#1 don’t compare me to “many escorts” who I have no relation to or cannot verify even exist. First of all. 2nd, it means nothing to me. Those other escorts could be doing more than just “viagra and some water” and to assume that’s all it takes, shows you may not understand the facts of what’s really involved. It has nothing to do with getting hard. Even when I have offered and been available “right now” to clients, it’s not always as convenient and easy as it seems. Keep in mind, most don’t know where they are going “in 30 minutes”. It’s often very rushed and even if it is a good experience, I may have flaked or pushed back on plans I had. And you won’t believe it but, the same day “right now” calls tend to come at the precise moment I’m getting ready to walk out the door to do something else. And if the tables were turned and I tried to get them to meet right away, guarantee you they would say, “oh I’m busy”.

As far as I know, they don’t exist outside of major metros. At least here in the U.S. I can see it in New York or San Fran but, most hotels don’t want to rent a room out for an hour and then not have it clean for a full night stay. So I probably wouldn’t save any money doing that anyway because they would likely charge the same as a good rate from Priceline or something. However I am familiar with DayUse hotels. The problem is, sometimes when I’m visiting a city, I need a place to stay anyway. And even if I’m staying with friends, sometimes I need the WHOLE day/night to myself before and after client lol. I’ve done dayuse a couple of times, but they aren’t offered in all cities and in order to do so, I need to be able to have a main place to stay at. The problem comes when, I’m not set up to host but some guys are just like, “can I come over NOW”. Like ummm, no. There was no expectation of an appointment. Just because my ad says “available now” does not mean “I’m hosting and you can come over now”. It’s just simply saying: I can be available to meet today, if we can agree on a time, rate and place. Doesn’t mean they can come over right now. Perfect points, my dude 🫱🏾‍🫲🏻 I’m surprised you never need to spend on hotels lol. I’ve been platinum or diamond tier with at-least 1 or 2 brands every year. However, my hotel nights have dropped a lot, because I try to stay with friends as much as I can when I travel. But the caveat to that, non of them allow me to host (nor would I really feel right about that) so I still have to plan hosting accordingly. However, that’s also why I require deposits. Most clients don’t want to host, or don’t want to book a room. So the best compromise is doing a deposit. That’s why it disgusts me when guys on here, parade such stupid and ignorant rhetoric about never sending deposits. It’s like HELLO 🔔, all of us are having to also spend money upfront as well. From the very get go, we have to spend money to post on RentMen, with no assurance or timeline of when a client will book. I also assume by “streets”, you mean gay bars/events or hotel bars possibly. I wouldn’t feel right doing actual streets lol.

I just hope everyone encouraging no deposits, is also willing to be on call with money to give in the event a provider travels to a city with no deposits…and everyone flakes out on their booking. It can and does happen. And with the price of things now, anticipating going up even more: I don’t think a sweeping advice about not providing deposits is exactly conducive to encouraging providers to shoulder the risks and costs of travel and accommodations.

That’s unfortunate, however I do feel the “gay society” has often sought masseurs over escorts in some cities. And it seems like the portrait of a well to do escort, who does it like the porn movies, doesn’t exist in many areas. It’s why I still keep up a RentMasseur profile along with my RM, although sometimes clients see me on both. However I do have 2 separate masseur/entertainer prices. I do cringe when I hear someone every so often, talk about so and so who does such and such for $80 including a massage. That’s just not sustainable for everyone, and the guys who do that usually doing this as a bonus on the side…and usually don’t travel outside of their neighborhood. If they did, they’d quickly see how exhausting it is to play and massage for $80, 5 different guys a day…when they could just do $300/400 and make the same 😆

Huh? First of all, I wasn’t talking about what he was talking about. I was saying, based on the ORIGINAL thread posted…LA does NOT sound like he’s referencing Louisiana (LA is the abbreviated state name of it but that doesn’t seem like that’s what we’re discussing) or New Orleans. Common sense would say, L.A. the city is one of the more expensive places between there and Louisiana. So critical thinking would say he’s talking about Los Angeles. Don’t be petty and find an argument where there wasn’t one ✋🏾

I have an active thread on same day appointments, but my last response explains why it is not always productive: but it doesn’t mean I’m “upset” about it. However, some people ALWAYS expect a same day booking. Sometimes it’s the same ones as well. You’re coming from a place that is viewing the industry “like a Grindr profile”. It isn’t nor was it ever. Even when I first started around 2008, most all my best bookings were requested a day or 2 or longer ahead. I used to often run out for same day appointments, because I didn’t know better. I also used to accept guys asking for discounts, for same day appointments at that. Nowadays, I would never. It’s extra, not less. But having an attitude like, “sometimes I am, sometimes I’m not” isn’t going to put any value on it. As for for deposits for incalls: being that I have to spend extra money to host sessions, typically in a hotel set up (I stopped offering bookings from home couple years ago) I do need a deposit for that. If they don’t show, I’m out of the money for it. Many people outside the industry think, “just do outcalls”. But they don’t understand that a large percentage of clients aren’t going to book a room solely for the purpose of a session. I just spent some time up north, and I had to host 4 clients, reserving accommodations each time. Many of them would rather send me a deposit (one even dropped the deposit off to me in cash…) than to book a hotel room for our time. It’s not over complicating by any means, it’s just years of experience has showed me what works, and what is stupid and foolish as all fuck. And couple years ago I booked a Sheraton Hotel for 2 different clients, SAME DAY NOTICE without a deposit: THEY BOTH flaked out on the same day. One even mocked me, saying: “I didn’t tell you to book a hotel room”. He tried to rebook for an outcall later on and flaked again, I was like…you can send the cancellation fee or I’ll come and get it personally myself 😆 Way too many idiots and time-wasters ESPECIALLY in the Midwest, but they’re everywhere. I won’t go back to working without a deposit whether it’s host/travel or a combination of the 2.

LA = Los Angeles? I’d think anyone talking Louisiana would be saying Nola or Orleans.

Like I said, every year it needs a reboot and to be discussed again, to touch on new points 🤣 It’s not that I don’t want to hear thoughts and advice, it’s just that I rather not have to always decide whether to keep plans with friends/family (or even myself) or flake on them to take a client last minute. But as a low volume provider (aka someone who doesn’t have dudes coming and going all hours of the day -or- running out for every “u available now” request) I get: I also don’t missing out on money because I don’t always have the choice to cancel such plans. Last year was one example of why I don’t like same day bookings: I accepted a date IN ADVANCE from someone I liked who wasn’t a client, but as it always happens a client hit me up earlier in the day, but he was MIA all afternoon and waited hours to finally say, “I can send the Venmo deposit now”. By that point I had already told the other guy I was on my way. I ended up turning down $450, but the price of integrity is even more. That’s true and I know it’s a dilemma. However, I also feel sometimes these guys get “flaked on” by another escort for whatever reason, and then try to make a last minute move (like the one guy recently who talked about deposits). Thats why I feel the game can really use a reinvention. I can’t think of it right now but, something better than just being on the fringes never knowing when a same day appointment may come thru. Or: like some do…