Massageislife

See what you mean. Unless you know the masseur in a spa, it is a lottery.[/quote}

Harryinny, you can put thumbsdown on my posts all you want, but your advocacy-at-every-turn (including inappropriate ones, like this thread) of Johnsport is out of line and suspect. We've gone back and forth about Johnsport before. Why did you throw his name on this thread? Are you saying that Johnsport fits Tallguy38's request for a "massage therapist that is Legit but does light draping or might be a lil sloppy with that aspect of things and could potentially turn erotic"? If so, why does he advertise that he does erotic massage on Rentmasseur?

I fail to see how @BeffyDude was in anyway "rude." As he said, "it doesn't hurt to ask." I guess I disagree with the seemingly majority opinion here,

I don't think asking justifies a provider to get his panties in a wad.

I don't think it is necessarily "rude" to ask for a discount either (although I would never do it), but the original post here was about the alleged rudeness of the masseur. The masseur had just as much right to "get his panties in a wad" (I imagine that he might offer a different version of the exchange) as the original poster did to not like the masseur's reaction. The issue here is that this post is out of line on its face. The second attack, in particular, is defamatory because it names the masseur. I hope as a community we're careful the way we speak about masseurs. We're lucky that so many wonderful guys are willing to provide this service, particularly given its marginal legal and reputational status. Warnings about masseurs who make take advantage of us one way or another are welcome here. It's one of the main functions, for most of us, I think, of this site. Let me just say again: BeefyDude DID NOT EVEN GET TO THE POINT OF MAKING AN APPOINTMENT WITH THESE PROVIDERS. They don't deserve to be trashed, particularly by name.

rentmasseur.com/johnsport drapes you and undrapes you...

This is not an appropriate response to the post. Johnsport is a private masseur. Although he advertises and charges for "erotic," when I saw him, he did NOT undrape me or disrobe beyond his shirt.

I don't have any problem with your disliking the texting experience you had with this masseur (For what it's worth, I had an extremely positive experience, at every stage of the process, with Billy when he visited NYC). What I dislike is your use of this site to trash a masseur you never even scheduled a session with. If a masseur lacks people skills on the initial texting outreach, we can figure that out ourselves when we make outreach; we don't need your help with that.

Am sorry, but based on this post I don't feel the masseur is the problem. It is rather insulting to ask for a discount when the rate is clearly stated.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that this thread should be renamed "Rude (potential) Client."

Red Flag: keeps changing his name

Seems to be the same guy as this: https://rentmasseur.com/Maxmusmassage

I've been curious for a while. What's with his price? ($135 for 30 min.)

I am flabbergasted by the (alleged) willingness to pay $200/250--in LA!--for a therapeutic massage from a fully clothed, straight-identifying (and, by some accounts on this thread, homphobic) masseur. There is a better, (much) cheaper massage to be found in any number of places. Something is off here

He's had rentmen ads, at least in the past

Could only find one remark on this guy visiting Atlanta: https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/26296/

Any experience?

I'm glad you didn't post the masseur's name. Based on what you've written, you should have ended the communication when you found out that you that he was conducting business where you wouldn't be comfortable.

What do you mean apply brakes?

Yes! I remove my brakes with the rest of my clothes

I've been wanting more information on him too: https://rentmasseur.com/LATINARABMASSEUR

There are a few threads on him

Sean is my go-to for deep tissue therapeutic work, even if he does a lot of sensual work too:

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/13755/

 

I haven't been to him but I hear good things about Lennie's therapeutic massage (since he doesn't do any other kind it seems):

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38559/

I've got good, strictly therapeutic massages from both Lennie and George (Steinbeck!), who I think are friends. https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38637/

He's advertising again, but for a very low price of $90, presumably for the therapeutic massage before the upsells.

https://rentmasseur.com/TheBMac

 

Additionally, he's been running a much more revealing ad on Rentmen:

https://rent.men/MatthewMasseur

I saw him once, before the revealing pics were added. He massaged in the nude, though, allowed MT and more, and offered HE without upsell. The massage was just okay. Some of his conversation was personal in a way that was a little offputting

Thanks for your input massageislife. It is truly appreciated. It sucks to get a cancellation, but 3 times? That’s a sign to move along.

Yeah, it was heartbreaking, because I like him, but a 50% cancellation rate is too much!

Looking for opinions here. I have the opportunity to set up a 4 handed massage with 2 masseurs I see regularly. They have never worked together that I know of, but both are agreeable to the idea. They have pretty different massage styles and skill levels, which I think could be complimentry. Both are very generous when it comes to extras. I guess I want to know if the more experienced guys here think this is wise or is there a big mistake here I'm not seeing? Also, would I pay the host his incall rate and the traveler his outcall rate? Also, do you who've had them find them exciting and worth the double fees for the same 60 minutes?

No advice to give, but I'm thrilled and envious! I hope you'll report how it goes!

Some providers list $160 on their ad and then when you reach out, they quote sensual/erotic for $200. Perhaps his price tag is all inclusive?? His ad disappeared for a couple of months maybe from traveling. I’m curious. Anyone out there have any feedback?

To be a broken record, masseurs who list erotic massage and a price but then try to charge more for erotic massage are engaging in false advertising. Please let us know whoever does this.

As for Caleb, I saw him three times in NYC in 2018. He gave a great massage, was nude (I hear he is a nudist), was comfortable with extensive MT, and offered HE. The third time, I massaged him for a bit. One of my best massage experience ever. His rate was high, but there was no upcharge. The pictures are accurate, and he's friendly in a mellow, low-key way. I only stopped seeing him because he cancelled the same day three times. It was just too stressful wondering if I was really going to get a massage.

A lot of us (unfortunately) have a specific attraction to men who claim to be straight. A straight guy sexually aroused when interacting with another man is a paradox, however. For me, it's too simplistic or just inaccurate to use that term to describe his sexual identity that way (which is not to say he is "gay" either). Of course, he has a right to call himself whatever he wants, but perhaps we need to turn to young people, who have been pretty good at coming with many more and more nuanced ways of marking sexual identity.

I've been to the Adonis nude party many times over the years. Most dancers at these parties get hard during lap dances, and many engage in more explicit sexual conduct with attendees, sometimes without even going behind the screens. Many have offered to give me their phone numbers for private sessions. I think almost all of them are open to that. In my experience, the majority haven't claimed to be straight or bisexual, but I don't ask. It's actually a turn-off when they feel they have to volunteer that they're "straight," no matter whether they're doing it because they think it might turn me on or because they want to reassure themselves.

I guess the bottom line is when I go to a scene like Adonis, I try to accept that the truth of their sexual identity and their private sexual life isn't something I'm entitled to know. I just try to enjoy having a naked, aroused man in my lap.

You guys seem to be missing the point that someone who advertises MASSAGE can't be expected to provide more than a massage. Erotic massage is still a massage ...not an escort service. On the subject of Omar. He's a very handsome man with great massage skills. That's what you pay for. If the price is too much for you...move on to someone in your budget. The man is a class act. Well worth his rate. You want a hooker/ hire a hooker.

Public_assistance, I agree with you about Omar. I posted positive things about him. I also don't have an issue with what a masseur charges, but I hope the price he posts is accurate. If the price varies according to the type of massage, he should list the different prices or write "Ask" next to the price, as many masseurs do. I also hope my brothers will share information about masseurs who upcharge, especially for basic, advertised services.

As for the rest of what you write, typing the world "massage" in all caps doesn't clarify what you mean by the term. Obviously, a masseur is different from an escort, but erotic m4m massage is different from legit therapeutic massage, and you know it. A large part of the value of this site for me are the discussions about what constitutes an erotic massage and specific experiences my brothers have had with erotic masseurs, and I'll keep coming back for this reason.

A person's quotes stimulate thought. That does not mean every word that follows is a direct response to the person quoted. I'm not looking to argue. I'm just stating a fact.

 

 

I absolutely think they mean nothing. Nothing more than click-bate.

"When I quote you, I'm not responding to you." "Words mean nothing." You're a piece of work, dude!

It shouldn't. My posts are public, meant for all eyes who wish to read. If I wanted to address you directly, in a more private conversation, I have the option to PM you.

 

 

I would argue they mean nothing in this context. I could be wrong, but I think Rentmasseur is the only massage site using those words. IMO, they're using the words to lure customers into using their site. It's called click-bate. It's not easy to get About Us info on Rentmasseur. However, their DMCA agent is located in Germany, which suggests to me they are hosted outside of the U.S. If a massage host used those words on a U.S. hosted site, I imagine it would invite unwanted scrutiny.

 

Wishing you the best, too.

Roger, you're obviously addressing me directly, when you preface your remarks with quotes from things I've written. Nobody else is weighing in here (and I don't blame them!).

If you think the words, "sensual" and "erotic," mean nothing in the context not just of Rentmasseur but on this forum, where they are frequently and commonly used, then there isn't much more to say here. Be well

I can assure you, the sense you get on this subject on a public forum may only be half the story for obvious reasons. Additional sense can be found in private messages, if you can find a member who trusts you and is willing to share details. Even with all that, there's no rule book, no guide book, and certainly no guarantees. The provider sets his limits with each customer (they won't be universal), and we customers pay their price. It's best to view their ads as the minimal amount of information available. If you want to know more or ask more, contact the provider. Let him know what you are looking for. Ask him if you can share your fantasy massage with him, and see what he thinks. You'll have a much better time if you don't over think things and keep expectations low.

Well, I appreciate your taking the time to write, but it feels like we're talking past each other. Words like "sensual" and "erotic" mean something generally (otherwise language wouldn't function at all), and posters on this site have helped me get clearer sense of what people on both sides of the transaction mean when they use them.

I'm not asking for advice on how to talk to masseurs, especially once we've had our initial meeting. I'm also not asking how to get my "fantasy massage." I'm not asking for something rigid, like a "ruIe book" or a "guarantee." And, finally, I know there are no universal experiences of anything in life, especially something complicated like massage. Maybe your phrase, "guide book," is a better way to put it. Before I found this site, my experience was much more mixed. Having a community to discuss (in both public and private messages) their experiences with specific masseurs and the m4m massage experience in general hasn't turned getting an erotic massage into utopia, but the collective guidance here has been really helpful.

I wish you the best

Way out of line? Where on the line is that? And whose line is it? From what I hear from fellow customers, I don't think "way out of line" is true. I agree no one should "expect" anything other than some form of massage. However, the reality is many of us get more than we expected, much more, depending, and most of us are pleased with that, whether it cost extra or not.

 

 

Is there a general, universal understanding? I don't think there is. Looks and chemistry (and a whole lot of other details) play a huge role in these matters, and there is nothing general or universal about that. Sensual massage is subject to interpretation and mood, mostly that of the MT. Some visits are more rewarding than others, even with the same guy. Human beings are providing the service, and many of them can be complicated on any given day. So, again no, I don't think there is a general, universal understanding of how this is supposed to work.

Roger, I can only describe the sense I get from the discussions on this forum. I've never seen a poster express outrage or even surprise (maybe disappointment, which is something different) that their sensual or erotic massage didn't include oral sex. They only report happy surprise when it does happen. I've seen lots of advice, on the other hand, that if oral sex, for example, is actually what one is looking for, one should be hiring an escort, at the requisite rate. I haven't seen many (any) complaints when a masseur offered extras, depending on their personal policies or mood and the chemistry with an individual client. That's different than expecting free extras, however, and, for what it's worth, I hope that people tip in proportion to the amount of "extras" they get. That's what I would feel I deserved, if I were a masseur.

Likewise, I gather from my reading of postings on this site that there are indeed commonsensical, general (not universal) things members of this community understand that differentiate m4m massage from "legit" therapeutic massage. Those things are the reason that we pay so much more for this type of massage; if we opt for sensual or erotic massage, we are contracting for something more than "some form of massage." Again, I fear that you and I are missing each other in this conversation. I don't believe that you are saying that we can't expect anything more than a massage when we hire a private sensual or erotic masseur; nor are you saying, I'm sure, that kissing, rimming, sucking, and/or fucking are reasonable expectations to place on someone advertising erotic massage for, say, $150/hr. I'm not sure what your disagreement with me is. What do you are think the minimal elements of a massage advertised on an m4m site as "sensual," without which a client has a right to be disappointed and complain, for example, on a forum like this? (I only get erotic or therapeutic massage, since the middle ground of "sensual" is murky to me.) I'm counting on my brothers here to tell me, among other things, when a masseur advertising and charging for a sensual or erotic massage does nothing more than I would have gotten from a much cheaper legit massage.

I like discussions on this forum about what we think words like "sensual" or "erotic" in a masseur's advertisement mean. I started a thread recently about "erotic massage" in particular. It seemed from the many posts that there was general agreement that nudity, some degree of mutual touch, and non-avoidance of the ass and penis were reasonable things to expect--without upcharge--when one paid for an erotic massage. (Some people seemed to think HE was also a component of an erotic massage.) Everyone also seemed to agree that anything sexual beyond that was delightful but not part of the initial deal. Every sexual thing possible can happen in an m4m massage context (most of them have happened to me), and undoutedly that's where "looks and chemistry" play a role. I just hope we'll alert each other to masseurs who don't follow through on the basic sensual or erotic elements of massage as advertised just because they're having an off day or the client isn't good-looking/provides the requisite chemistry with them. Genuine professionals--in any profession--don't fail to discharge their basic functions, just because they're not feeling chemistry with a client.