Massageislife

Me LIKEE!! Not that I'm hiring (or in LA) but does this guy have an escort ad? It would probably be nice fantasy ? material.

 

Gman

https://rentmen.eu/CjBlake

What an interesting thread!

The focus of my sexuality has moved through pick-ups and relationships for the first years of my out life to the highly erotic club scene and "circuit" to strip clubs and now to m4m massage (porn has always had some role in my sex life). I haven't really moved on to escorts yet, but I hope to explore that experience someday. Each stage has been deeply rewarding but also complicated. I'm pretty Freudian about this: after the liquid perfection of life in the womb, humans are on a search for a return to that complete, safe, satisfying experience of merging with another person. It's not fully achievable, of course (my mother wouldn't have it! (plus I've grown a bit)), but all those different phases gave me intense moments of connection with another man and of blissful release from the "vale of sorrows" of ours.

All of these phases had their expenses--love DEFINITELY ain't free--so I have to use the same economic calculations about massage that I used in my other sexual pursuits. And even the emotional dimensions: it's easy to say that transactional sexual encounters like with strippers, escorts, or erotic masseurs aren't "real," but tricks and even boyfriends/husbands aren't simple emotionally either. We should all attend to our purses and our hearts.

The bottom line for me is that life is not easy; there is no solution to horniness or loneliness; rich emotional and sexual experiences are to be found in all kinds of places and all kinds of conditions. Right now for me "massage is life."

I forgot I started this thread, but did see him probably a few weeks after posting. I sent him a message asking if he did the massage in the nude with MT and HE and he responded yes. So I made an appointment and the only nudity I got was shirtless. HE provided, but mechanical. I thought the actual massage was great. He clearly knows what he’s doing, but left feeling I didn’t get the whole experience I was looking for.....and requested.

Thanks for coming back to this thread, Jason. So Max won't follow through sometimes, even when you've confirmed in advance. Please Max fanatics, consider what other people are writing about this guy when you advocate for him.

I forgot I started this thread, but did see him probably a few weeks after posting. I sent him a message asking if he did the massage in the nude with MT and HE and he responded yes. So I made an appointment and the only nudity I got was shirtless. HE provided, but mechanical. I thought the actual massage was great. He clearly knows what he’s doing, but left feeling I didn’t get the whole experience I was looking for.....and requested.

And payed for.

He looks familiar (or maybe it's just the general look). Anyway, can't find anything on him...anyone got any info?

 

https://rentmasseur.com/ItalianXL

On rentmen: https://rentmen.eu/CjBlake

The history of marketing is as vast and ancient as civilization. I will bet you a bottle of Jack Daniels there has been unfair, deceptive and abusive practices since day 2. ?

No one is going to make that bet. We all know there are scammers everywhere (Hello, Mr. President!). I value, really value this site for many reasons, and one of them is to hear about who might be a scammer.

I just went through my text messages just for confirmation and yes $50 extra for sensual/erotic. IMO, the listed massage types on the ads I’ve always read it as the types offered, not necessarily given unless specified.

Thanks for your reply, aeikaryoko. I wish Max's fans had included this crucial information in their posts about him. Many of us like to pin a new masseur down in advance about the specifics of the massage, but many of us don't, feeling uncomfortable asking explicitly for sexual elements on a text with someone we've never met before, wanting instead to trust what the ad (and our chums on this site) indicates we should expect from the massage.

As I've written, I'm glad others have had a good experience with Max, but this forum--a godsend to me!--should be a place where we support each other, and that includes recommending good masseurs but also flagging things that might lead our brothers into unsatisfying situations. I wish someone had said, "With Max, you have to ask for nudity, MT, and HE in advance, and there is an upcharge."

Max is currently listing his rentmasseur (the site I contacted him through) rate at $200. That amount, as well as his almost naked photos, coveys a clear message that the massage will be more than strictly therapeutic. I've had far better masseurs than him for half that rate.

If Max is offering different rates for the listed choices, he should indicate so on his ad; otherwise it's false advertising. If he's not comfortable doing this, his reply to the initial outreach should be "What type of massage are you looking for?" and then say what the price would be. I'm sure he operates the way he does because he might lose customers when they found out about the upcharge.

I was dumfounded as we passed the hour mark of my 90 minute massage and he was still in short pants, shoes and socks, hadn't done anything sensual or erotic, and kept his body as out of reach as possible. Many sensual/erotic masseurs gradually disrobe through the massage and backload (no pun intended) the erotic elements, so I was patient. At that point, it was too uncomfortable--particularly with an off-putting personality like Max's--to say, "Will you take your pants off?," "Will you touch my ass?," or "May I touch you?"

It was a bad experience, but it could have been avoided by Max having been more honest or direct.

I’ve had two sessions with Max and both times, he’s asked what type of massage I wanted. I had to confirm erotic and both times the massage was performed as such that included MT and HE. With him, and from reading previous posts about him, working out the details beforehand is a must in order for you to get what you want.

I appreciate this confirmation, although, to be a broken record, I don't think one should have to ask. He advertises sensual/erotic and charges an erotic rate. Can I ask if there is an upcharge? Thanks

Pictures 3, 4, and 5 are all ones used by multiple scammers (or maybe just one chameleonic one) on rentmasseur

Didn't have a 4-habded, but once met Brad. I recommend him

Oh, yea, he was nude the whole time and touched everything and allowed me to touch everything. He charges $140, so slightly below the average in Manhattan for a massage with an HE...though not much.

I'd actually okay with that. Sounds like it was fun!

I'm not saying that my point was a rule, but just my experience. The other one that I met (and I didn't know he had a rentmen ad until right before I saw him) is super hot and I would have seen him anyway. And even though I didn't get an HE, he was nude and hard, but that's as far as it went...I still might go back, since I'm a 'sucker' for a hot body and a hard cock, lol.

Nude and hard with no HE. My God, that sounds like torture. Please tell me that there was lots and lots of MT!

Not that I've been to many guys like this, but it seems that if they have an escort ad as well as a massage ad, they don't seem to want to give away as much as the massage-ad-only guys do. Seems like everything between massage and sex (HE, oral, etc) is leading to the escort side of things and they aren't going to want to give it away for the lesser rate.

That makes sense. I haven't caught many advertising in this way. When I see an appealing masseurfinder ad, I cross-check rentmasseur (since I like erotic massage). I stopped my "research" on Miguel, when I didn't see the latter. I was hoping the $150 rate meant (as it should) that the massage would be erotic. Conversely, when I see an appealing ad on rentmasseur (advertising erotic), I cross-check rentmen, since I'm not looking for an escort experience (not that those wouldn't be fun!).

Live and learn!

I reported my experience on the other active thread on Miguel

To be honest, at his rate of $150 it seems like he should have delivered more. Maybe he is trying to get you to upgrade to his escort rate.

Yeah, given his advertisement on Rentmen, which includes kissing, anal, oral, etc., I expected more. I wrote to him through masseurfinder, however, so I'm not sure he knew I was open to more than a massage. I didn't want escort service. For me, he was missing the sweet spot of advertising, which is rentmasseur, I'm not sure why.

The massage was very sensual, however, with lots of MT, so I'm hopeful for next time. He's worth another try.

I did an in-call with him in West New York. Very nice guy, just as sexy as his pictures. Wore underwear when he massaged me, though and no HE. I wrote him the next day and said I'd like more next time and he said okay. We'll see....

The list of "hung" is pretty short.

I wish this thread was! It won't die!!!!

It was always on my bed

Very positive experiences with this guy. Massages well and is naked. No limits on MT, but DIY HE. Wish his English was better, since he is very nice. In person, he's shockingly better looking.

I had a number of very skilled massage with Caleb. He looks just like his pictures, is nude throughout, allows mutual touch throughout, and offers happy ending. I even massaged him for about half an hour once. I only stopped seeing him because I always schedule a day in advance, and he canceled the day of about 50% of the time. It was maddening. There are too many good masseurs out there to deal with that

My reading of the OP implies the guy attempted penetration without a condom without consent. Do you read it differently? Regardless, once the OP said no penetration without a condom, that should have been the end of that conversation. Anything else is disrespecting the autonomy of others.

 

Saying “please be responsible to the community and get on prep” is trying to guilt someone into doing something that is a strictly personal choice and is emotional blackmail. Frankly, it was none of this guy's business if the OP was on PrEP or not. However, if it was going to be an issue for him, he was free to bring it up beforehand, like an adult. The guy comes across as feeling he is entitled to bareback sex because he is on PrEP. That is grotesque to me.

ONB, the OP says, "I felt that he was planning on going in." It's not clear what that means, but the masseur appears to have respected the poster's declination. As I wrote, the masseurs comment about PREP would have turned me off, but I don't see it as coercion in any way. It's badly worded advice, but for a (presumably) young sex worker in a world in which barebacking is normalized, it's good advice.

"PrEP" and the "community" are red herrings, the only question is what codswallop he would have unleashed if the OP was on PrEP and had still insisted on condom use. The guy is just trying to emotionally blackmail someone into bareback sex. No means no, this guy can fuck off.

"Emotional blackmail" seems a little strong. Indeed, much of the criticism of the provider does. A good interpersonal connection is important, so the comment, as described, would probably have meant no return visit for me, but--given the pervasiveness of barebacking--I'm glad to hear that, for some of these guys, being on PREP is become an expectation. Everyone weighing in about other STDs is absolutely right, though. I had an, um, "friend" who got chlamydia in their ass. It wasn't pretty. ☹️

Jon has decent massage skills and offers HE.

Is he naked during the massage?

If it is this guy, he ha been so discussed!

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38391/

Absolutely not!

Marcos was offering 4-hands with this guy, who he said was his boyfriend: https://rentmasseur.com/DANYYKATSUR