SirBillybob

The clubs were very busy last night (Fri). I don’t know what was going on on the strip under the rainbow canopy. It was packed with people even though rather cool. No apparent defined festival. Maybe it was a composite of college/unit students early in the term taking in the last of the pedestrian zone and the permanent end of the installation.

Anyway, what this discussion on drugs and manage style has nothing to do with is this ... Physique competitor Chris was back last night after a year off. He is 6’3 mixed race, hot AF, and made me very happy . He trains wisely, has packed on muscle mass slowly patiently and steadily age 19-22. Great fun in private.

That is why I implied where there is smoke there is fire, that is, there is a relationship among fringe marginalized stigmatized activities. One would likely access leads to rec drugs at a strip club not a church social. AA philosophy must have been in the house last night ... all managing players sober at Campus.

How is simply describing how the Criminal Code parameters re: prostitution impact on the latitude of strip clubs to operate as legit business a rant? I don’t condone the drug trade but it is not unique for Campus and is fairly widespread. I drink minimally and do not do drugs, so my judgement is not impaired viz who is impaired, and witnessing it bugs me ... in 20 years I have only seen one stakeholder inebriated. Not Gary or employees. Besides, how would you imagine owner sobriety would change things? What are they missing doing when drinking, assuming they are. It operates fine as a bar, as bars in the area go. I thought posters were complaining about the erotic entertainment and could use some local insight as to how the law hamstrings venues to a degree. I fail to see the causality of drug biz and bar decline; after all, the drug trade existed even during the stripclubs’ heyday. Anyway, why criticize a club for condoning one illegal thing for some attendees yet failing to optimize the infrastructure for another illegal thing? It is simply incoherent, unless your argument is the relative degree to which either activity is inocuous. I am not personally friends with any owners and my input is based on an attempt to analyze and knit together an array of factors that influence visitors getting what they hope for. A balance of critical appraisal, economic trends, realism, and empathic attunement to the law and its restrictions helps me to generally extract a positive experience here and ride the ups and downs. I can see that visitors encountering a 10/10 but following that a low-score experience would be unhappy and posit a few logical but not entirely substantiated theories concerning the differentials. I don’t think my city is the cat’s pyjamas but you can come here and have certain paid sexual experiences in semi-public with relative impunity. If you cannot work it out, it’s on you. If you want more and hotter strippers, tip them generously closer to webcam rates, and while you are at it you may as well take it private. You can pay them, the clubs cannot even if they are willing. Few clubs wish or are able to expand their mandate to profitable streaming, solo porn, and piggybacked camming in the postmodern age. Stock got in early and copycat attempts are likely to flop.

Addendum: the hottest guys build up a cadre of private clientele, essentially cherry-picking appealing and affluent clients more into body worship. Why do a club shift if you can earn as much privately over dinner and vanilla intimacy over a brief period and be in bed by midnight? Then if and when that dries up be relatively new club talent once again, cycle, repeat.

The clubs can hire and pay strippers a wage for stage entertainment, in the same way they employ servers, DJs, etc, but it is a criminal offense for the club to have those same strippers provide private lap dances. The club can only profit from bev service if all employees refrain from activities that legally impugn the club and consumers.... it is illegal to purchase lap dances, but legal for independent contractor lapdancers to sell them, as long as the club does not profit. Ironically, the club would likely not profit any more financially if strippers could get wages, as increased bev profits might not surpass wage payouts. This all translates to clubs providing a setting for illegal activity at consumers' peril, and dancers earnings predicated exclusively on consumers paying for sexual favours while accommodating non-earning socializing in exchange for the privilege to work out of there, not for them. It is not Magic Mike Revue. I would not grouse about rec drug trade. Where there is smoking hot smoke there is fire. You cannot impose a "normative" business model on this complex arrangement. It is a setup for transient "employment'. Again, it is the consumer constituency that drives the quality of performers, and its level of concomitant alcoholism that dictates profit margins. This is the algorithm: hot guys sell their services, if it is financially worthwhile (or, for some, expedient), to horny patrons who are willing to pay to incriminate themselves legally, over and above lurking and flirting at no cost while spending enough on drinks to meet venue costs and profit margins, while the hot guys must commit to low-earning shifts on slow periods and evaluate whether the overall average hourly take and soul-crushing sacrifice is worth the effort. For some, the point of diminished return is reached earlier than for others.

I just assume as a matter of course that the info I provide will get back to the provider, and that any ID info will be shared beyond the DM interaction. Therefore, that is the compass I go by when responding. I do not give much credence to the optics or profile/Hx of the inquirer. This is more “everyone is human” than “distrust everyone”. Marriage vows tend to be uniformly broken. Promises are just dumb. If I give a tasty morsel against all better judgement, I had better be getting something of equal value tossed my way, but there is little that I can think of that I want beyond my own reconnaissance.

They are menn at Villa Gianni.

Short answer: Because it can. Interesting how Montreal has about 4 of the 5-6 gay strip clubs in Canada, with now 1 in Toronto and maybe sorta kinda 1 in Windsor. And Manhattan can barely sustain the same when even based on select nights of the week. Note that this apparent prediminance in all strip clubs is seeing a steady decline all across the country with gentrification and social media outlets. Well, Montreal is a North American city that continues to have a centralized non-scattered gay ghetto, "one-stop shopping", whereas there may be more dispersal elsewhere. Contact lap dances legal in Canada since 2000, but 'what goes' may be regulated differently and provinces and municipalities can put the screws to clubs and define indecency in a variable way, or set zoning laws that make it difficult to operate. The rules may be more flexible in Montreal regarding contact and nudity. But the larger community can basically decide how to apply the law. Gay Village real estate pricepoints per square footage may be more affordable. There are no children's schools within a certain distance. The clubs are crammed into retail areas and blend in, with no major evidence of impeding the moral comforts of single-family dwelling occupants. They don't pop out in an isolated lot or strip mall. Zoning is not very restrictive in terms of the mandatory distance between commercial establishments of the same theme. Organized crime historically backed the industry more in some locations, but this is likely more pertinent to gentleman's clubs (female dancers). Montreal became known as a city with greater decadence when during 1920s US prohibition it drew the eastern seaboard clientele up across the border and a large inventory of "cabarets" with booze and burlesque etc proliferated. So today's trends may be a residual of this urban character and notoriety. Did you know that Canada legalized same-sex activity in 1969, only the US state of Illinois had done so by that time and it took 32 years (1971-2003) for all states to get up to speed? Many states coming late to the party continue to have statutes banning anal intercourse. No one clear direct explanation about Montreal's situation. There is also the women's club 281with male strippers. There are lineups on busy nights ... that may be the right idea, one central place, though of course Campus and Stock have their once weekly ladies nights too.

The only solution is a complete boycott and closure of one or two rivals, a revised paradigm, and this hinges on client org. Far be it for me to spearhead. I could care less and I am able to make the best of what exists currently. Why should Montreal, of hundreds of North American cities, be targeted as the one to fulfill lap dance fantasies? Things change over decades. You are best advised to always push for fave dancers’ contact info so when you return you have a backup plan.

The dividing factor is dancer privacy. What spurs media dev’t with Stock is the online streaming and related services. The dancers there need to be comfortable with exposure. They have local families and this is a temp gig. The club even has an area geo-nogo zone for the site. And the FB/Instagram media is focused on the more “respectable” ladies crowd, less stigmatized because it is again like a strip-o-gram concept for bachelorettes. The central theme of social media is the entertainment. There needs to be a place for strippers to be relatively on the down low if they require. Even then, a hen party may be very awkward if they attend the same gym, school etc. Or a cousin informs Mama Bear ‘guess who shoved his dick in my face’. Many are physique competitors who need a certain image for sponsorships. Therefore, Campus. Dancers are ersatz escorts with minimal anonymity. Why should they bother if the promise of great bank is not fulfilled? I thank God in heaven Campus does not push media banner ads with pics of fake guys.

I don't disagree that it is poor, but I do not see much change over the past 10+ years, just little ups and downs. I rarely take a private there. However, there still are non-holiday weekends where all the available seating is taken. Customers purchasing dances drive the business. This is not a classic management issue. A few days ago there were a few attractive fit dancers making no money. That is not a management deficit. The dancers make nothing if the club is full of drinkers/watchers. The customers are essentially the management team. I am equally to blame, but I do not waste their time. I think that my perspective is different because the true differential was about 12 years ago when dances jumped from $10 to $20. That created a huge dip in all clubs and recent dips pale in comparison. From 2001-mid2000s the clubs were jammed on weekends. Many guys were cleaning up and also rotating thru The Gaiety some weekends. I don't know where the concept "reject" originates. The migration is bidirectional, guys trying a change to inflate their income. I would say my top favourites have been distributed fairly equally between Campus and Stock. I starting coming to Montreal, years before moving here, in 1980, when Apollon in the west-central end of town was the peeler bar. They had a lot of flak from the straight bar patrons in the district but I went too infrequently to witness it.

LOL ...I am a local yokel down the road. I never go prior to the second shift of dancers (21:00-03:00). You cannot expect hot guys to spend valuable gym and rest time not earning any cash 15:00-21:00 ... that has not in my 2 decades of going been a good time frame. Campus is a Fri/Sat evening place. I have not seen the moneybags loiwterer around for a few years. ? And with 4 establishments blocks apart again, gaining critical mass is a challenge. I think the problem is that they all usually squeak by with an acceptable profit margin, but four is hardly sustainable for a city this size.

Well I’ll have to check out Taboo this wkend. Stock is fully stocked with dick on display on stage. And more so if you register and have backstage viewing/fluffing access. I often have the live streaming going evenings at home doing other things.

Guys please let me know if you can open my 3 image attempts or not, either without the Drive app, or with the Drive app if installed. I was able to open on other devices with the Drive app, but using my Google account. Perhaps its photo sharing capability does not fit well with posting to a message board.

Oh, crap. I cannot click and open on another device, so either readers require Google Drive to open to access or for some reason I can open them here on my iPhone because it is the same device on which I have Drive installed.

Have tech, will travel ... trying a gif: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pSeyJEKGCmG9LltGZNtAAVoVy2yuQKNK/view?usp=drivesdk

Trying a 5 sec vid ... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KjsN-K7BNsheXxK6tDN1zXsIXLec4Jjx/view?usp=drivesdk

Using iPhoneXR I just successfully created one here above ... photo of Club Tobi. I installed Google Drive app (yellow/green/blue triangle), uploaded the photo, clicked on the ‘spectacles’ above in the toolbar, and the created URL inserted ... not the actual photo, but click to the image. But I had to find the image in Drive, click on the 3 dots upper right hand corner and scroll to “copy link”, then paste here.

Hellohttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1ko1gJWcjG8ktrVj9JpqEOoxQutTI-43x/view?usp=drivesdk

You say Mérida is not on RMen, but I assume there’d be nothing to prevent you from setting up an ad and having it and the city pop up. I was there for a long visit and not one Mileroticos ad appealed to me. The trade (dancers) in the main strip club were unappealing as well. What would stand out as much as a gringo provider would be a well-built handsome local provider. They are everywhere in public, but not to be found in ads, on Grindr, and the strip joints. The demographics of expats and tourists would likely influence your business. Also the proportions of the population with higher disposable income. Straddling both Mérida and Cancun is another option. Interesting how RM rates are so much higher for PV than Cancun. I think the clients with more money want the more exotic local experience but not at north-of-Grande prices. Locals will probably undercut you and, with luck, not cut you. Likely not a main factor is prostitution law, but legality and regulation varies according to state. PV has about double the visitor volume, about 2 million (roughly 10% cruise port of call) compared to about 1 million Yucatán. In Mérida there are more touristy activities that span Yucatán, so there may be more opportunities to blend guide and BFE roles for the well-heeled visitor. I think, as well, Mérida visitors have the fantasy of cruising the main square as opposed to Blue Chairs (Muertos?) beach PV.

I had been checking Mileroticos for at least a year without much luck finding what I like. This week the floodgates opened with at least a dozen specimens I have put in my files for an upcoming Bogotá visit. It is the strangest thing, almost overwhelming. Even if half of them are fakes I won't have time to sample all of them.

[quote="Jeffster, post: 1785825, member: 17411" I was very young and got cold feet so never went through with a session. I still regret that. It is oddly comforting as I'd have felt even more cheated, deprived, and envious, but I have always certainly been old enough to be his father.

I shook Brando's hand on the set of The Freshman.

I cannot do it from my i-devices. Apparently you need the image's URL. Since most of my photos are taken with the camera or are screenshots it is a lost cause. I don't use a PC so cannot comment on that method.