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perfect clarification. The term “sex positive”, usually gets muddled for me when it comes to accountability. I’m totally open to various progressive views on sex, fetishes, and untraditional practices and relationships. Here’s an example of a difference for me.... and I’ll give two scenarios where I am “sex positive”, and the other where I am puritanical. Scenario #1: My name is Bob. I am positive/undetectable. I am open with all of my partners. I love bareback sex, and regularly participate in sero-converting orgies where all parties are aware of the dynamics. totally acceptable to me. I’m totally sex positive... enjoy yourself and do your think Scenario #2: My name is Bob. I am negative. I love bareback sex, but it’s safe because I’m on PrEP. I love bareback sex and have an active sex life. I’m invincible and you can’t “judge”, me. Scenario 2 always concerns me because of the reasons I’ve stated in my previous posts. This is where I end up going down the “puritanical road”....

Again, no apologies necessary.... I’m not offended nor am I sensitive... lol. Let’s get into the points here. You made some good ones that gives me a better understanding as to why we disagree here... 1.) I agree that 100% safety does not exist. But I will explain why I feel that putting on a condom is an act of safe sex. a. It involves placing a barrier over a body part that’s being inserted into another body part b. The intent is to guard fluids that may contain bacteria, infection, or antibodies from entering. c. It protects the skin that’s connecting during intercourse as well. its the equivalent of putting your hand into an oven mitt, before touching the skillet. I’ve used condoms during sex, and have used them with those who were HIV positive (and may not have known it). Some of those people are dead. I’m alive and HIV-free. Condoms were proven to be safe for me. Secondly. Through condom use, I have had successful test results for STDs as well. I have been blessed, but I contribute this to using condoms. 2.) wearing seatbelts doesn’t guarantee 100% prevention from a fatality, but that doesn’t mean that the use of seatbelts should be eliminated altogether. Where I disagree with you is the idea that condoms are useless because they aren’t 100% safe (nothing in life is 1. please keep in mind that millions of people who used condoms before prep are free of HIV and other STDs... I’m one of those people. These facts can’t be refuted . 3.) I see no “shame” in your sex practices... I actually am impressed and entertained with your posts of your wild exploits, many of which are quite hot. I actually speak out of concern... I am concerned when people are blinded by liberated actions, thinking that there is no consequence or side effect. Now if you said “hey, I like bareback sex, and I’m fine with the potential risks”, then I totally respect that. But the idea that PrEP, is this wonder pill that eliminates the use of any other precautionary measure, is just as delusional. Here’s my disconnect... You can take a PrEP pill, and prevent HIV transmission... I can slap on a condom and prevent transmission of HIV, HPV, Syphyllis, Gonorrhea, Chlymidia, and other numerous infections. So the idea that condoms are useless is false, I’m living proof of that.

I agree with you 1000%!!!

You’re response solidified your trigger. No need for a backhanded apology... serves neither one of us any benefit. I don’t have any rage. If I recall correctly, your post was filled with name calling and inflammatory statements.... does the term “sex-negative-moron”, ring a bell? ? Anywho, I still would like for you to educate me on how you practice “safe sex”, by regular, consistent barebacking with multiple partners, and how this prevents the spread of the STDs that PrEP doesn’t protect. No judgment here... I truly need your informative take on this.

I won’t get into politics , but I will tell you that I don’t feel that there is a limitation in the resources for STD screenings. Where I live, there are numerous resources for STD screenings, all free, and government-funded. And there are resources for free healthcare coverage for the poor, and the homeless too. I really think the issue here with sexual health is a personal accountability issue. And it’s so personal, because this revolves around personal decisions we make in how we use our bodies and our personal takes on sex, safe sex, and what’s “right”. As there’s no clear cut answer to this question, there will probably never be a solution, except the creation of a vaccine given at birth that prevents HIV and all other STDs too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1064256

Sidebar question: What’s so wrong with being on PrEP AND using condoms?

Good point. However, I don’t necessarily think that condom users feel less of a need to get tested. They just aren’t mandated to. I’ll go further to say that if PrEP users weren’t mandated to quarterly testing, they probably wouldn’t be tested as much either. I believe this because I feel as if the average person doesn’t visit the doctor for preventative medicine, but to address symptoms when they arrive (I’m speaking generally here, not just in regards to sexual health) Now, this week, California became the first state to approve the purchase of PrEP, without a prescription, which means that those doctor visits will possibly significantly decline... which in my humble opinion, will cause the rates of STDs to skyrocket.

This is the part that concerns me.... here’s why: 1.) The other diseases are diseases. They have significant impacts to ones health if regularly contracted over and over. People are now treating these as if it’s the equivalent of having a sinus infection (which many people on this forum probably take more seriously). Continued use of antibiotics affects the body, and probably affects the body’s reaction to using PrEP as well. Imagine being on PrEP, doxycycline (for gonhorrea). A series of penicillin shots (for syphyllis), and on valtrex (for herpes) all at the same time? That has to be toxic to the body... all because of the idea that condoms are “useless”. 2. In terms of the 3 month protocol, there are other things to consider.... let’s say I’m on PrEP and feeling sexually liberated, and right after my quarterly testing for STDs, after testing negative for everything, I spend a week of , bareback orgies, a few bathhouses, had some fun in some dungeons, alleys, and strolls through parks... all bareback, all felching, all fun, and all “sex-positive”...(my next screening isn’t for 3 months) I’m popping my PrEP pills and feel “safe and protected” between then and the next three months I could have not only contracted a few STDs, but have also unknowingly passed them on to the numerous others I have slept with because: 1.) I am too “evolved” and free to use condoms 2.) I am “sex-positive”, and I can do what I want, and no one can judge me, and 3.) I took PrEP everyday, therefore I’m contributing to “safe sex.” This is my concern... it’s the equivalent of driving a car, and not using a seatbelt, because you have car insurance. You’re still not preventing other collisions... and your passengers are left to fend for themselves ?

[quote="MrMattBig, post: 1804261, member: 12625" And the creators of PReP intended for it to be used in conjunction with other safe sex practices. Ironically many of those who use this medication, see it as a license for barebacking, and other practices that have contributed to the uptick in the STDs that PReP does not protect people from.

Regardless of his math, his point still Makes sense. statistics are actually irrelevant in this matter. The WHO and CDC had concerns in the early stages of PrEP, that it’s popularity would result in an increase of STDs, as users wouldn’t use it as intended... and they were correct.

You’re calling people “Sex negative morons”.... Sir, you just “judged”, someone for having a set of beliefs and ideologies different than yours... That in fact, makes you just as judgmental as those that you seem to loathe.... And might I add, a hypocrite....

and from reading my post and your response, you seem a bit defensive and “triggered”. There was no offense intended towards you, but since you addressed my comments, I’d like for you to address your point further, if you don’t mind.

Please respectfully show me where I judged anyone in my initial statement above..... When you think about it, people like me actually get judged more. In fact... 1.) calling me puritanical and judgmental is a judgement... ?

I consider those terms to be part of the bullshit, new-fangled, philosophies of “anything goes”, and the idea that no one should be held accountable for their actions or behaviors... (and acknowledging it is considered “judging” ?) I’m not at all puritanical.... however, trying to figure out why people behave the way that they do (especially when it’s flat out reckless), is not sex negative... it’s calling a thing, a thing...

Oh of course... I’m also “judgmental”.... lol

exactly!!!

you are definitely representative of most PrEP users. Your ideas on “precautions”, risk, and “safe sex”, is spot on with most PrEP users for sure.

The newer generations are hooking up in record speeds, due to apps... they literally are ordering sex like ordering a happy meal from McDonald’s.... And now both straight and gays naively think condoms are useless, so the STDs are spreading.... humans now have less control and discernment when it comes to sex, than a dog in heat.

“Just another chronic disease”.... its not the common cold... and taking medication regularly for the rest of your life, and having side effects that could impact the functions of your organs isn’t something to take lightly either. I absolutely get the point of erasing the stigma of associated with having HIV, but it still should be taken very seriously as a disease. and we should take precautions seriously too .

Getting “easily” treated only works when the STD is detected. In many cases these STDs can be asymptomatic in men for longer periods of time while they are spreading them through careless activities. I don’t think that the issue is greater sex education, it’s the depletion of common sense. People seem to have this pseudo-intellectual-non-chalant, approach to sexual health, and it’s annoying and flat out infuriating. if you ever want to see how reckless people are, volunteer at a health care organization or free clinic. I did for one month and had to quit out of the temptation to tell people they are flat out idiots.... One guy came in, admitted he already had herpes, and after being tested, due to various symptoms, found out that he also contracted genitalia warts, syphyllis, and chlamydia... damned near the only thing he luckily didn’t have was HIV...he was proud to say he was popping his PrEP pills, nonetheless. and he also stated that he wouldn’t change his sexual practices either (condomless-bisexual-barebacking, with all holes “utilized”)

Easy answer to this: PrEP People are now carelessly barebacking like feral cats in heat, and because this pill prevents ONE disease, they stupidly see no use for condoms that protect from most of the other 8-10 infections. People have made claims that condoms aren’t 100% effective as a means to support not using anything.... (which is idiotic), but the fact is that when people were using condoms more, the STD rates were lower.

AA= African-American, formerly known as “black”

I’m so glad the story had a good ending. ☺️??

You’re right. This one could be appropriate: ?