Mplsgymguy

definitely no expert on Phx masseurs!!......and I haven't met any of the masseurs mentioned in this thread......but here are the ones I have met in the Phx area who I would go to again.....
https://rentmasseur.com/cochinoblk
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/40959/
as always, be respectful, polite, and professional....interaction probably varies from client to client......I'm sure there are many others in Phx who are entirely great, too, and other forum members may be able to chime in on those.....

Agreed. Good, better than average massage. Nice guy. His face and body are much better in person than in his photos. If you like to have your nipples massaged as part of the experience, he’s your guy.

The first 4-hand massage I had set the bar very high - the guys worked smoothly in tandem and the sensation of 4 hands massaging me was very pleasant. Unfortunately, every one I’ve tried since has been a let-down, at best. This has been mostly because one masseur has good skills and knows what he’s doing, and the other guy either has little experience or is the jealous BF of the main masseur and wants to be included in the experience. I’ve let a couple of guys talk me into adding a second pair of hands and I’ve regretted it.

I have a gut feeling this was at least part of the issue. One guy just didn’t want the other to do a solo, especially if he was going to be sitting in another room wondering how far the massage was going to go.

I had a 4-hand with these guys, which was OK. It seemed to me that one of them was much more skilled than the other so I asked if they ever work solo. Was told that they do, so - without giving away my feelings about their respective skills - I made the appt with the bearded guy. Then you know the rest. The thing that annoys me most is that the appt wasn’t canceled until 15 mins beforehand. And this was by text, so I don’t even know who really was writing to me. Did the one guy chicken out or did the other cancel and then tell his partner that *I’m* the one who canceled. Sorry, i know this is bothering me more than it probably should.

What do you think of this? I contacted a team that does 4-hand massage and asked if they ever work individually. They replied that they prefer to work together but do 2-handed occasionally. I made an appt with one of the guys, then 15 mins before the appointed time (and just as I was leaving my house) I get a text that the masseur in question isn’t “comfortable” doing massage w/o his other half. I wrote, OK I’m not comfortable with both of you. Shallow of me, I know, but the other guy just did not appeal to me at all.

The thread about wearing a butt plug when going to a massage got me thinking about cockrings. A few years ago I hired a couple of different masseurs who wore a cockring during the massage. I assumed that this was an unspoken indication that there would be some “play” during the massage, and I was correct. ;-) Since then, I began wearing a cockring to my massage appointments and have had a range of responses from masseurs, from “Why are you wearing that ‘thing’?” to studiously avoiding my crotch area. OTOH, I had one masseur ask me if I had an extra cockring with me.
 
Anyone else wear a cockring for their massage and/or had masseurs wearing them?

there are older threads here; I saw him a couple of years ago in LA; good experience, but he talked a lot and asked a lot of personal questions; I've thought of seeing him in Phoenix but haven't done so because of the talking and questioning

I'm not hearing anything in your summary of why you want to participate or how the experience would make your lives better. I'm also hearing legitimate concerns about it being a disruption to your contentment and it pressing uncomfortably on your limits. My strong instinct would be to encourage you to decline for now, while possibly leaving a narrow window of possibility for you to initiate further contact (or vice versa).

Have seen Kevin a couple of times, confirmed up front that I was looking for sensual massage (a little extra charge). He has a nice, lightly muscular body and was nude throughout. The massage itself was wonderful and toward the end, after a lot of teasing (his cock brushing my head and hands), we segued into oral. Would definitely go to him again.
 
Only drawback: his place is a ways north of Detroit proper and in a convoluted location...but still worth it. ;-)

I used to try to determine what was included in the massage experience by the fee being charged (sensual/erotic being on the more expensive end). Then I had one of the most sensual massages I’d experienced, for < $100. And I got into an interesting discussion with a masseur who was charging $150 for strictly therapeutic massage; he told me his fee was justified by his training and experience, and that I would be covered at all times.
 
Since then, when contacting a masseur I’ve never seen before I tell him that I prefer to be undraped. In almost all instances the masseur has responded that it’s fine, as they prefer to give the massage in the nude, anyway. Actually, I can think of only one time that the masseur wrote back, simply, that he doesn’t do that sort of massage.

Your word choice wasn’t offensive to me at all; it’s just that the subject of circumcision can sometimes lead to heated arguments, which I hoped to avoid in asking the question of how does an adult male not know whether they are circumcised. For example:
 
https://https://rent.men/Maykul
 
I realize now, from several of the responses posted, that the answer may lie in language (uncut vs intact) or culture differences.

I was just relaying what my friend told me, which is why I wrote that a baby wouldn’t be “as intellectually aware” as an adult; I’ve no doubt the procedure, dealing with such a sensitive area, is incredibly painful. I worked for many years with medical students in a hospital, who told me of their colleagues who nearly fainted or threw up when they performed or watched circumcisions during their ob/gyn rotation.

I saw ItalianExpress in Phoenix when he was visiting there in late July. Had no trouble setting an appointment; he was prompt with replies to my questions and made it clear we’d both be nude. I thought he looked a little older than in his pics but he’s in great shape and gave what I thought was an above average massage with extras (and then some). I’d definitely hire him again.

He reminds me of a combo of ty Pennington and the super gay lottery dream home winner host on hgtv

I saw ItalianExpress in Phoenix when he was visiting there in late July. Had no trouble setting an appointment; he was prompt with replies to my questions and made it clear we’d both be nude. I thought he looked a little older than in his pics but he’s in great shape and gave what I thought was an above average massage with extras (and then some). I’d definitely hire him again.

I second the recommendation for Allen - very nice guy with great massage technique (including sensual touches throughout), in a quiet, calm space in his condo. I wrote his first review on Rentmasseur and have been back to see him several times. He’s on the border between Mesa & Scottsdale.

I second the recommendation for Allen - very nice guy with great massage technique (including sensual touches throughout), in a quiet, calm space in his condo. I wrote his first review on Rentmasseur and have been back to see him several times. He’s on the border between Mesa & Scottsdale.

I’ve received numerous PMs regarding a masseur about whom I’ve commented a couple of times on here. I first connected with him through the “old” MasseurFinder site, when this guy advertised erotic as well as therapeutic massage, including a fairly detailed description of what to expect for the erotic. This, of course, is no longer allowed on MF. When someone PMs me for details of my experiences with this masseur, I always emphasize that I haven’t seen him in a couple of years and don’t know if he still offers sensual/erotic massage or even if he’s amenable to it if asked; and I believe he and I just “clicked” so that he felt comfortable with me.

My guess is that he only lists therapeutic to be discrete. Given my experience--and the price!--his massage is always erotic

WTF?!! I couldn't imagine treating a client or prospective client like that. When I book a client I have no idea what their ethnic background is (unless they have an accent)and I couldn't care less. It doesn't even cross my mind.
 
It sounds like you dodged a couple of bullets because they sound like they are not only terrible business men but also awful/ugly human beings.... and that's that on that.
 

I have done the same, in the case of masseurs, and a number forum members have contacted me about masseurs I’ve mentioned. I’ve only hired one escort since I’ve been on this forum. My search for him here didn’t turn up anything, nor did posting a new thread receive a response. Finally got up the nerve to contact the guy, who was prompt and charming and put me at ease. He asked to speak with me over the phone, which I found reassuring, so we met and had a good time.
 
Back when I was using Craigslist and Backpage, I wish I’d been able to glean some info on a few wacko masseurs that I ended up meeting. :-(

Personal phone with number provided by carrier

I think most clients appreciate when providers who have limitations on availability put their available times on their ad, such as @Shawn Monroe mentioned. Some providers do have "day" jobs, but fail to mention in their ad they're only available nights, and maybe weekends, until contacted.

“What is this ‘Priceline’ thing you speak of? Is it new? . You mean there’s deep discounted hotels out there you just have to COMMIT EARLY? And follow through? Alien language.
 
Ill just leave my opinion short and sweet here: there’s absolutely no reason to conceal the name of the hotel until
Day of appointment, as the client deserves the opportunity to consider travel time, parking rates, SAFETY of the area etc before coming there. You can still protect yourself by not giving out the room number until just before.
 
This is an industry / game that requires trust. The more you extend the more you’ll receive.
 
This ‘Secret squirrel’ concealing information from clients is for amateurs.
 
Lest you forget; the average client has more to lose than you do, young grasshopper.