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Yes. I wrote about him on this other thread in this forum. My post is #16 https://m4m-forum.org/threads/411-miguel-estevez-bel-ami-model.153445/#post-1846975

Do you mean his real name @dcman ?

He did some films years ago @MidwestCoastal. I just searched on xvideos.com under “avi dar gay” - more than 185000 results!

Please let us know how it goes. And if you do have a date, enquiring and dirty minds would like to know the details afterwards!

Thanks @Whitman I do like a red-haired muscleboy.

I’ve posted on this topic before, but here goes...Any good hotel in Buenos Aires will allow you to have guests in your room. They will however insist on seeing the visitor’s ID. THIS IS FOR YOUR SAFETY. Every Argentine carries ID and so you will be able to check the guy is of legal age. In the local Argentine forums, there are reports of robberies at knifepoint by guys posing or working as escorts. If you want to see your visitor on neutral ground, use a ‘telo’ (Hotels that rent by the hour). They are clean, well-organised and used to gay and str8 couples visiting. There are several near to Recoleta Cemetery which I’ve visited, and there are several others in other central areas.

Maybe I don’t understand your reluctance @ericwinters but surely the only way you can find out is by hiring him? As you’re in LA and you’re attracted to him, why not go ahead? If a scammer (using pics of Miguel) turns up, you simply walk away or shut the door in the guy’s face. If it is Miguel, you have the date of your dreams.

Typically they have ads on Rentmen when they are actually in Zurich and looking to work. If these guys interest you, use PlanetRomeo to see their profiles - generally located in Prague, even if they live in smaller places away from the city.

I remember him too @Poincare. It was obvious from our first chat that he‘d do little unless you insisted. He told me that he didn’t like the taste of cum so only gave oral on film, but I countered that I had to be serviced orally to completion. He complied and I reported on my experience; I also warned in PMs that he expected to be serviced. But guys didn’t want to learn: his reviews (all by middle-aged guys) used to make me smile. To be fair, he was a pleasant guy, well-spoken, and very clear that his only motivation was to make money. He even told me that he preferred older guys as they were undemanding and didn’t expect much in return.

+1 And if you want a gay male companion, take one with you. I only went (years ago) because a male model I was dating had a work-trip and asked me to accompany him. I would not go back. You’ll be fine in the resort, but I would not describe the country as gay-friendly; discretion is a must.

It’s quite possible @toocoolforschool that they’re visiting LA. I recall that 3 or 4 BelAmi guys were to make a ‘personal appearance’ at some porn-related event in LA, so maybe they decided to do some work while visiting.

Yes @Oaktown he’s genuine. He’s not a BelAmi actor but he has that look (young, smooth muscled body) which is why he uses the handle “belamir”. He’s Brazilian and was working in Paris. He was, at least 3-4 years ago, versatile and enthusiastic in bed.

I’m stunned that in a market as large as NYC you cannot find 2 men for a threeway. I used to enjoy trios and I’d often find new guys by asking men I’d played with 1-on-1 if they knew of another attractive man to join us in a trio. Have you asked each of the several men you found “compatible” to recommend a 3rd?

You may well be right @jjkrkwood. You like legs and I like a muscleboy-torso. I guess that if he is truly so gorgeous, his rate will not deter plenty of takers in NYC. Incidentally, I can recall a couple of drop-dead gorgeous muscleboys from LA, who were eager to please in and out of bed. Each charged $350 an hour some 8-10 years ago. Their policy was to have fewer clients but multihour bookings; when I asked about overnight dates, each guy’s rate was reasonable.

Why worry about his legs? When they’re resting on your shoulders, you’ll be looking at his face and torso. In my view, he’s a looker. If I were in the market, I’d hire him.

I met him a couple of times when he was younger. It was socially and in company. He certainly does not define as gay. I found him attractive when he was young, but he’s bulked up to an absurd degree, in my opinion, as he’s got older. There was certainly a lot of talk then of him being very discreet and G4P.

Good for you @Rick M. Many young people are unfairly characterized. Playing with a younger man is not only pleasurable but it’s also quite an ego-boost.

That ass is crying out to be topped vigorously

A slight curve in towards the stomach is often prized by bottoms. Yes, my dick has that and I’ve heard the comment from 2 different bottoms. But @tassojunior true Peyronie’s is rather rare. I certainly don’t believe the 10% figure quoted. I’ve only seen it once in my life. It was the only flaw in the physique of a handsome muscleboy: the top part of his dick was bent outwards at what seemed like 90 degrees. It didn’t bother me as I topped him, but he said it often frightened bottoms when he wanted to top. As he put it, “when I fuck, you know you’ve been fucked”

Short answer: it varies...and it varied a lot. Long answer: it’s a long game, more of a courtship in some ways, and typically you’ll exchange lots of messages and phone calls before you meet. If the model replied (ie was interested enough), I’d suggest drinks and dinner wherever they wanted. Models always know where they want to go and eat, and be seen or perhaps not be seen. If that first date was great, I’d invite them home for breakfast. Some needed a couple of dates before they came home with me. Some proved uninteresting. No matter how the first date went, I always offered some compensation for their time. It demonstrated that I was serious and generous. No-one ever refused. If the first date was a disaster, I offered cab fare home (ie $40-50). If the guy was very keen but had other plans that night, I’d schedule a second date and discreetly give him $100 ”for being such good company” - I was never stood up on a second date. Once the model and I had proved compatible in bed, I’d simply ask what continuing support they needed. The requests by models were over a wide range: a new iPhone, help with their monthly rent, paying a specific bill, spending money etc. Overall, I’ve had great experiences. And just as with working guys, ’price’ had little relation to quality and satisfaction. I’d go so far as to say that those delivering the most in (and out of) bed often asked for comparatively little.

My view is that - if you want to be taken seriously - your message must be professional and somewhat discreet. Do not assume that they escort; even if they have an OnlyFans page, it’s quite a leap to meeting another man for mutual play. I had some success. I used to enquire if they were open to having private meetings with an older man. I stated that I enjoy having fun with an athletic, good looking guy and that I always play safe. I added that I‘m happy to support a nice young man . I think it’s important not to be crass. Do not include a request for more photos nor for more revealing pics. Some of these guys get lots of messages, and they ignore most. I met some gay guys and some str8 models who were happy to do all that I enjoy.

Fascinating exchange of views. I know that US culture is very different from European culture, but I thought that here the OP was the host and his companion was the guest. The emphasis should have been on looking after the guest. I feel that displaying and insisting on using the coupon was simply tacky. Alas the real world is messy. And in my opinion @Smurof, you did not handle this well. You did not say that you first asked your companion if you might sort this out before the meal. I agree with both @MikeBiDude and @spider If you must use a coupon, do so discreetly when paying. Exactly @IndyGuy ! I entertain friends to dinner in restaurants often. Towards the end of the meal, I check that nothing further is wanted, and then I excuse myself from the table to get the check/bill and discreetly pay at the service desk. The only times I pay at a restaurant table are when I’m having dinner with my longstanding boyfriend, but then he even knows the security code for my credit card.

If this is your ‘fantasy man’ @Skip, why not keep your fantasy intact? Your dreams are bound to be more alluring than the reality. People often tell me I look fit and younger than my age, but I would never sleep with a man of my age!

Fascinating. Thanks for posting @WilliamM As an aside, I’ve read various good reviews of Cairo’s volumes on LBJ. But I wonder whether they truly are worth reading by a non-American? I’m a voracious reader and I buy books regularly, but I find I have so many books to read already...

Very true @WilliamM It is the same in general terms. Obviously if like the OP you aim to make friends with a view to “benefits”, you have to be sure the other man Is gay and not just gay-friendly. That’s why I found the gym fruitful. I was known to be gay and a nice guy, so I had a mix of gym-friends - some str8, some gay and some just relaxed about being friends with a gay man. I guess the OP will have to invest some time and energy in making friends. I didn’t really understand his reference to the “Rentafriend site” as I certainly don’t imagine the OP thinks it’s a way to meet an escort on the cheap, but I guess that if you befriend another gay man, you may find it develops and you have a friend-with-benefits.