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It’s a bar. I’d say it’s definitely busier after dinner. But really you can go any time - it’s a pleasant crowd. IMO the shower show is over-rated. It serves as a decorative background to having a drink and talking to people. I’m not sure about times as they seem to happen in the evenings; I’ve seen them before dinner (say 6.30-7pm) and later (8-10pm).

I don’t understand why you describe this person as an “old friend”. I’d say at best he’s a ‘former friend’. And from what you say here, I wouldn’t expend anymore time or energy on him.

Thanks for starting this thread. I’ll be very interested to see who gets recommended to you for your client. I can’t be of any help myself as I’ve always found San Diego very “hit-and-miss”. I had a lot of fun there over the years. I met some nice men with good bodies…but I noticed early on that they were either transient (visitors and amateurs or students in their early 20s seeking support) or local, mostly defining as str8. Some local guys, aged 25-37, were very handsome and offered service in exchange for support…but required total discretion and didn’t advertise.

I appreciate your post @WilliamM but surely you recognise the concerns it will raise. So tell us… Is he on a gay vacation or a str8 vacation? Or does the vacation encompass both possibilities? 😎

I don’t feel that you need to apologize at all. You said that it’s “many years” since you and he last spoke, and it’s “12-15 years” since you last saw him. And back then, he was quite homophobic. You are not obliged to be supportive or offer help to someone you knew years ago but who has ignored you since then. I would feel very differently about this if he had written or phoned you to apologize for his past conduct/speech towards you. Especially if he had said he’d like to make amends, and possibly renew your friendship, by first taking you out to dinner to apologize in person.

I think that’s because no-one wants to see them lose their license. Recommendations should suffice; reading ‘between the lines’ isn’t that hard.

No disrespect intended @viewing ownly but aren’t you overthinking this? I certainly prefer “no drama” in my life. If I meet someone who seems to thrive on drama/gossip, I politely exit the encounter. When it comes to providers, I treat what they say online with caution. To me, their profiles are simply marketing. I trust my own judgement.

I’ve certainly done this in the past, and generally I had a lot of fun. My strong advice is to plan this well in advance. It takes a fair amount of organization. It is not a cheap event. I feel it’s important that you have first played one-on-one with each of the guys you intend to invite to your group. If there’s one guy you play best with, I suggest you check with him how compatible the others might be. (He may well have played with some of your guys already). It sounds obvious but depending on your desires, you need a mix of tops, bottoms and versatile guys. You should also be VERY specific about what you enjoy and what you expect to happen in a group scenario (eg I’m a top only so I spelled out to the guys that I would top each one separately before there was group interaction; I also stipulated that I wanted to see each guy climax at least once in a multi-hour session). Also spell out any rules you might have (eg no drugs in your place, no barebacking, use of safe-words) in advance. Do not be tempted to think it will all work spontaneously. Think how hard it is for one guy to read your mind or sense what you want, then multiply by 3 or 4 to encompass all the possibilities that a group session offers.

Forgive me for stating the rather obvious remedy, which I suspect you know already. Never have debt on your credit card(s). It’s a very expensive form of debt. It’s always best to pay off your balance(s) in full each month. And to answer your original question, I suspect it means that many of us will have a lower income from our savings.

Welcome back @Gar1eth It’s always good to read your posts. I have a reasonable range of toiletries, including cologne. I have 3 particular scents and choose 1 to ‘wear’ before before going out. I feel you’re not gay because you wrote “rarely, if ever, cologne but haven't used any in awhile. I never used it consistently even when I was young. And I always hated the way the aroma would stay in my nose for hours.” You obviously haven’t been advised by a nice muscled young man on how to use cologne. There are 2 different ways. When you’re naked and fresh from the shower: either you can spray it into the air close to your body and walk into it or you can apply it directly, spraying your pecs and near your neck. You NEVER spray it into your nose - it’s not a decongestant. 😎

I’m glad to hear you had a great time @Lucky May I ask you please to post a short report of your vacation. I’m particularly interested in what good hotels and restaurants in Rio you’d recommend as well as which saunas and men you found so welcoming

I really enjoyed ‘Rebel Ridge’ very much. It’s an all-too-credible thriller set in a small US town.

This brought up a memory. Years back, I was a volunteer at a sexual health charity and one time, I was hosting a discussion between 6 young male sex workers They shared details of various encounters with male clients. One spoke of a man (married to a woman) who was muscled and in good shape. He liked to fuck a young man from behind. While he was pumping vigorously, he insisted the young man turn his head to look at him and say “I love you” as he came to climax. That made the others chuckle. It turned out that the married man had sex at numerous times with each of them. And every time he required the young man to state “I love you”.

I see on his profile that he “only sucks cock with condom”. That immediately rules him out for me, no matter how great his body is.

What mystery? He’s obviously a better writer of fiction than a masseur. 🥸

I thought frottage was was the prerogative of preppies and its cultural nexus was Princeton. Hence the expression “Princeton rub” for this activity. Surely you should screen for providers that are preppy (or prepared to dress and act as such) on the East Coast? As I recall, historically both men kept some clothes on. Frottage enabled them to maintain the fiction that they had not engaged in sex with another man. If that is part of what you want, you might offer a supplementary fee to cover the laundry and dry-cleaning bills due to the frottage reaching a successful climax. Good Luck with your hunting and please report back.

He has a very attractive physique. I’m not in Manhattan but if I were, and he’s in Manhattan too, I’d certainly want to try him out. As I see it, the worst that can happen is that a client wastes a little time and a short cab-ride in trying to meet him. And if he shows up looking like his profile, it could be spectacular.

OMG! How did you survive the outage? 😎

I assume because it feels pleasurable to the bottom to play with his cock. I’ve known only a few guys to be rock-hard while being penetrated, while quite a few others got hard while I was pumping them. In my experience, their own cock being flaccid or erect made no difference as to how well the bottom performed. It didn’t seem to affect their enjoyment in any way…and as I’m only a top, that was my major concern.

That is tragic. I’ve always thought that many visitors to Brazil don’t realize how much homophobia persists there. Of course, this type of set-up/ambush happens in other countries too. I’d add an extra caution to yours, and say that gay men on a date with a stranger should always meet first in a well-lit place where there are others around.

I enjoy a la carte pricing in restaurants, not on a date. When I hired, I was always explicit about my expectations and what I enjoyed. I simply asked ‘I want to make sure we’re compatible. Are you OK with all that?’ I was only ever ‘hustled’ once during a date. He was very attractive physically and after he’d bottomed for me, he was sucking me off. He stopped to say ‘I don’t usually swallow, but you’re a great top. Is an extra 50 OK?’ It spoilt the atmosphere a little, but to get back in the mood, I said ‘For that you have to swallow my load and lick my cock clean afterwards’. To be fair, he did and it was hot, and I didn’t regret paying the extra 50.

Given the examples you quote of men coming from Hamburg or London, I’d say the minimum booking would be a dinner-date and overnight stay. Realistically speaking, I agree with @Jamie21 - you should travel to them and enjoy a short break outside of Denmark. Then if problems arise, you can easily find alternative companions. If you insist on bringing a guy you’ve not met before to Denmark, you will probably be asked to pay some money upfront as well as to make and pay for their travel arrangements.

Yes indeed. To answer the OP…In my direct experience, whenever a muscleboy used the term, it meant that he had a submissive streak and enjoyed taking a subservient role. I generally thought being a ‘good boy’ meant that a young man was eager to please an older man. As an aside, I always murmur those exact words in post-coital bliss when I would caress the head of the young man who had just swallowed my load.

Thank you for over-sharing @Nakedinpa Where is the emoji for Too Much Information?

That’s a remarkable recommendation @azdr0710 Did you happen to learn what his rates are, by any chance?