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Where are you based @builder boy ? If what you wrote earlier was to have him with you for 3 days (+ his travel time), I’d say his fee was in line with his hourly rate. I know for many it’s a lot of $ but just think of what intense pleasure you’d have…and the memories will keep you warm this coming Winter.

Thanks for posting this @Otto, I wasn’t aware of this. I’ll watch any movie about an octopus - such a fascinating and intelligent creature. I watched 2x an excellent documentary about a marine biologist in Alaska who had an octopus as a pet.

Me too. My guess is that he was so busy working in the US that he neglected to pay the IRS their share…

Hey @Imathrill, I sent you a Private Message. I hope you’ll continue to participate here. Don’t let one experience put you off this forum; most people are helpful and civil and there’s a lot of good information here.

Me: white briefs, usually Emporio Armani (softest cotton) or C-in2 (sexier style) Him: white or coloured briefs, usually Pump or C-in2, or a jockstrap for sex

I agree with @urbanfetish that safety is paramount. I’ve only been threatened once in years of dating. Strangely it was a guy I’d dated 3x before he asked me if he could stay overnight on our next date. Unbeknown to me, after dinner he took some drugs in the bathroom and he became aggressive. I handed over just enough cash to induce him to leave. Getting back to the OP’s question, it’s clear that there are a range of answers. It’s worth remembering that the OP @Imathrill is a newbie here. Generally speaking, most working guys are decent, pleasant and aim to please…but of course there are scammers and poor performers around too. As long as the OP was clear about what he wanted and expected, I feel the guy should perform as agreed; if he wanted to be topped, the guy going limp is a severe setback. I wonder what the guy offered by way of explanation: too many late nights, too many clients earlier? A fit, young working guy should be able to get and maintain an erection (or if need be, plan to use Cialis etc)…or he’s in the wrong line of work. As @marylander1940 wrote, I’m only a top and I always enjoyed dating enthusiastic bottoms. Perhaps I was lucky but when we were in bed, they all sported erections. And I really enjoyed seeing my guys cum; it enhanced my pleasure. I can only think of one muscleboy I dated regularly who couldn’t cum as I topped him (he explained he had this inability with everyone) - it didn’t bother me as he was so beautiful and eager to please me in other ways. (As for “shit happens”: luckily never in my bed. This may be TMI but once there was a small stain on a condom I’d used with a handsome young Italian. He was so mortified that he hadn’t douched sufficiently that I had to reassure him considerably)

There could be a number of reasons for him going limp on you. Unless he was a super-skilled oralist, I’d say it would have been reasonable to terminate immediately at the midpoint and pay half what was agreed.

The OF business is aimed at separating you from your cash, so I wouldn’t be surprised if OF wanted you to pay for the acknowledgment.

I don’t think anyone was being malicious @Rudynate. I confess I find it rather distasteful when avowedly str8 guys on OF tease and show parts of their bodies just to excite gay guys and get money from them. I imagine the craze for OF will decline but I also suspect some other craze will arise.

If it is really him, a Brazilian I know of tangentially and a sweet-natured boy with a beautiful physique, I’d say he’s worth $400. FWIW I know the Brazilian guy pictured was in Manhattan earlier this week. Funny how rates don’t change that much over the years. I recall that a similarly beautiful muscleboy in LA charged $350 (and $1500 overnight) some 12 years ago; he did it to limit the tremendous demand for his services.

Somehow I don’t think it’ll take 10years. There are more handsome guys and new muscleboys coming along constantly. I agree. I wonder what will replace OF in a couple of years, and whether even IG will last. Certainly the marketplace always demands “fresh meat”

Thanks @marylander1940. Charlie is a nice guy, very American. I‘d seen those pics (but I didn’t realise they were online); they sparked my interest in him a few years back. I guess everything comes out eventually.

Very nice @marylander1940, the big-dicked Charlie Matthews

1003 ‘strains’ @Charlie ?

Yes, @vaguyD tho I always felt that Billy performed best in a group scene such as in Billy+Parker+Danny and in Fuckfest 6

No

You may be right @thedanNYC…when I met him, his penis was bright red

Wow! Thank you @guru68. That‘s a great upper body - I wouldn’t have thought the head was photoshopped as @sniper surmised.

You asked for responses/reactions @Unicorn so here’s mine. Certainly brave but too pushy and crass. Think of your actions this way. When you were a young man, if a much older man had hit on you, would you have known how to handle it graciously? How would you have reacted at his age if a stranger had asked you on vacation? From your many posts here on your crushes and loves, you seem to fall for a guy very quickly. I suggest you’d have a better chance of success if you take things slowly. Why didn’t you say that you’d like to get to know him better and ask the guy out for dinner one evening? Maybe if you showed interest in him as a person, rather than a physical object aka piece of meat, he’d respond more readily. I regard your vacation offer as crass as you didn’t leave him room to decline nor to make another, more palatable suggestion. I’ve always enjoyed dating younger men but it’s best to be aware that they may be unsure of what they want and need or are seeking. So I always took it slowly: coffee or drinks first, then dinner invitation with no expectations, and a welcome surprise if they suggested coming home for breakfast.

You’ve intrigued me @sniper. Which “wet white shirt” (WWS) pic do you have in mind? For my taste, it’s OK if a nicely ripped muscle boy wears a WWS as long as he’s also shown in wet, tight white briefs

That Igor is Ukrainian, and he is to be found in LA.

I can understand and relate to what you say @Oliver. I too am healthy and I’m considered fit, but my next ‘big‘ birthday will be 70. I travel overseas regularly in normal times, and so I resent not being able to travel. I won’t be able to avoid the Winter by visiting the Southern Hemisphere as usual, and so I’m not looking forward to that restriction. I’m also conscious that there are older posters here. I bet they too have places they wish to visit, and things they’d like to do, while they still can.

Sorry @marylander1940 but I agree with @Daverwr. The shorts can stay (if they have to) but the top has to go:cool:

No, Nick is very discreet. Maybe you could suggest drinks in a hotel bar? If you wait until he’s in financial difficulties again, he may be much more willing. Over time, my experience has been that str8 guys become more receptive to keeping a gay guy company when they have little money and large bills to pay.

That’s not what I’ve been told @sniper. A few years ago, it was true; some people could make fairly decent money, but no longer. My source is a good friend who is in charge of social media for a major multInational consumer-goods company. Now only the very best influencers can make a large (seven figure) income by promoting products and services. Companies now track very closely which posts translate into actual sales. Payments to other influencers have fallen steeply.