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"When No One Is Looking, Many Women Are Watching Gay Porn:
 
Back in 2015, the wildly popular online pornography site Pornhub — which boasts over 115 daily views — published a finding that took sexuality researcher Lucy Neville by surprise: Women are responsible for more than a third of the site's gay male porn views.
 
The finding planted the seed for what would eventually become a book, Girls Who Like Boys Who Like Boys, which was published earlier this month. In it, Neville, a lecturer at the University of Leicester in the United Kingdom, investigates what women enjoy about consuming gay male erotica and how it fits in with their perceptions of gender and sexuality."
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/when-no-one-looking-many-women-are-watching-gay-porn-n894266

This one belongs on His Hairy Chest thread...
 

This one belongs on His Hairy Chest thread...
 

This one belongs on His Hairy Chest thread...
 

Only seen parts of My Own Private Idaho, so now you have me curious. I noticed some scenes in Gus Van Zant's Milk also resemble Fox and His Friends to a degree, especially all of the garish color in the swinging seventies outfits and settings. In the commentaries, it was revealed that this film was quite biographical, but not in the way you think. The characters were in reverse. Fassbinder himself was actually more like Peter Chatel's Eugene in real life, sticking to his higher class family and crowd, while his character more closely resembled his own boyfriends off camera like Armin Meier (most famous for his short scenes in Satan's Brew) and the before-mentioned El Hedi ben Salem. They, not Fassbinder, were the lower class guys trying to fit in who couldn't. Meier sadly committed suicide due to rejection, not unlike what happened in Milk when Harvey was too wrapped up in his politics to cater to Jack Lira (Diego Luna).

I just finished watching Fox and His Friends. One thing I noticed was how an important segment was quite similar to a scene in My Own Private Idaho, so much so that it seemed Gus Van Zant had paid homage to Fassbinder, or perhaps at least borrowed the idea of that fateful scene. I bought the Criterion Collection disc and will watch it again before deciding what I think of it. The extras are worthy.

Even though, at 70, I am nothing to look at physically! and am a real "grower", I grew up with gang showers in school and the military -- I figure we are what we are -- and some days are just too hot for clothes!
 
What saves me and gets other men (always younger) interested in me are my great smile, beautiful smiling blue eyes, infectious laugh, pleasant personality and good energy. We we so much more than our physical body.

I think that is a key reason: fewer military situations as well as less separation of genders in many other areas of American life. Gone too are the ol' swimming holes where "no girls are allowed". There are fewer nudist situations that are made mandatory today.
 
Also there was a LOT of male "bro bonding" (showering together, even touching each other for curiosity sake, emotional brotherhood, etc.) for a long time. How many WW2 movies show soldiers being both naked and even more affectionate with each other than the girls they meet on furlough? Too many to count. Having sex with a woman was this big deal, since most average men saw fewer females in the flesh than they did other men.
 
Nobody questioned anything until the 1970s when both Gay Liberation and Women's Liberation suddenly created this panic among men who were... unsure... about themselves. This panic has sadly shaped our political landscape and, while Millennials are more accepting of different "orientations" than their elders, they are also forced to hear about "orientation" over and over and over again.
 
However I am going off tangent here. I really don't think younger guys are that fussy about being perceived as "gay", but... as you suggest... they are VERY fussy about appearances. I was very modest in my youth even though I was part of Generation X and not a good representation of my generation (i.e. had a very backward and hostile upbringing that created too many inhibitions). Yet I think many of us worry a lot more about fitting in with others by body "type". During the past few decades, practically every male model and actor has a distinct copycat shape that makes many average twentysomethings and even thirtysomesthings more self conscious about not measuring up. Of course, "manhood" size is very big deal.
 
Easy solution: just get out to a nudist beach or bath house, because it is highly likely that you will see another body there no different than your own. Most of the young subjects being discussed here haven't had much experience yet. Give them time.

I think that is a key reason: fewer military situations as well as less separation of genders in many other areas of American life. Gone too are the ol' swimming holes where "no girls are allowed". There are fewer nudist situations that are made mandatory today.
 
Also there was a LOT of male "bro bonding" (showering together, even touching each other for curiosity sake, emotional brotherhood, etc.) for a long time. How many WW2 movies show soldiers being both naked and even more affectionate with each other than the girls they meet on furlough? Too many to count. Having sex with a woman was this big deal, since most average men saw fewer females in the flesh than they did other men.
 
Nobody questioned anything until the 1970s when both Gay Liberation and Women's Liberation suddenly created this panic among men who were... unsure... about themselves. This panic has sadly shaped our political landscape and, while Millennials are more accepting of different "orientations" than their elders, they are also forced to hear about "orientation" over and over and over again.
 
However I am going off tangent here. I really don't think younger guys are that fussy about being perceived as "gay", but... as you suggest... they are VERY fussy about appearances. I was very modest in my youth even though I was part of Generation X and not a good representation of my generation (i.e. had a very backward and hostile upbringing that created too many inhibitions). Yet I think many of us worry a lot more about fitting in with others by body "type". During the past few decades, practically every male model and actor has a distinct copycat shape that makes many average twentysomethings and even thirtysomesthings more self conscious about not measuring up. Of course, "manhood" size is very big deal.
 
Easy solution: just get out to a nudist beach or bath house, because it is highly likely that you will see another body there no different than your own. Most of the young subjects being discussed here haven't had much experience yet. Give them time.

I think that is a key reason: fewer military situations as well as less separation of genders in many other areas of American life. Gone too are the ol' swimming holes where "no girls are allowed". There are fewer nudist situations that are made mandatory today.
 
Also there was a LOT of male "bro bonding" (showering together, even touching each other for curiosity sake, emotional brotherhood, etc.) for a long time. How many WW2 movies show soldiers being both naked and even more affectionate with each other than the girls they meet on furlough? Too many to count. Having sex with a woman was this big deal, since most average men saw fewer females in the flesh than they did other men.
 
Nobody questioned anything until the 1970s when both Gay Liberation and Women's Liberation suddenly created this panic among men who were... unsure... about themselves. This panic has sadly shaped our political landscape and, while Millennials are more accepting of different "orientations" than their elders, they are also forced to hear about "orientation" over and over and over again.
 
However I am going off tangent here. I really don't think younger guys are that fussy about being perceived as "gay", but... as you suggest... they are VERY fussy about appearances. I was very modest in my youth even though I was part of Generation X and not a good representation of my generation (i.e. had a very backward and hostile upbringing that created too many inhibitions). Yet I think many of us worry a lot more about fitting in with others by body "type". During the past few decades, practically every male model and actor has a distinct copycat shape that makes many average twentysomethings and even thirtysomesthings more self conscious about not measuring up. Of course, "manhood" size is very big deal.
 
Easy solution: just get out to a nudist beach or bath house, because it is highly likely that you will see another body there no different than your own. Most of the young subjects being discussed here haven't had much experience yet. Give them time.

I think that is a key reason: fewer military situations as well as less separation of genders in many other areas of American life. Gone too are the ol' swimming holes where "no girls are allowed". There are fewer nudist situations that are made mandatory today.
 
Also there was a LOT of male "bro bonding" (showering together, even touching each other for curiosity sake, emotional brotherhood, etc.) for a long time. How many WW2 movies show soldiers being both naked and even more affectionate with each other than the girls they meet on furlough? Too many to count. Having sex with a woman was this big deal, since most average men saw fewer females in the flesh than they did other men.
 
Nobody questioned anything until the 1970s when both Gay Liberation and Women's Liberation suddenly created this panic among men who were... unsure... about themselves. This panic has sadly shaped our political landscape and, while Millennials are more accepting of different "orientations" than their elders, they are also forced to hear about "orientation" over and over and over again.
 
However I am going off tangent here. I really don't think younger guys are that fussy about being perceived as "gay", but... as you suggest... they are VERY fussy about appearances. I was very modest in my youth even though I was part of Generation X and not a good representation of my generation (i.e. had a very backward and hostile upbringing that created too many inhibitions). Yet I think many of us worry a lot more about fitting in with others by body "type". During the past few decades, practically every male model and actor has a distinct copycat shape that makes many average twentysomethings and even thirtysomesthings more self conscious about not measuring up. Of course, "manhood" size is very big deal.
 
Easy solution: just get out to a nudist beach or bath house, because it is highly likely that you will see another body there no different than your own. Most of the young subjects being discussed here haven't had much experience yet. Give them time.

Adam & Yves is a 1974 X-rated film created for gay male audiences. The film is notable for the unauthorized use of footage of Greta Garbo, in what turned out to be the legendary actress's final appearance on film.
 
Set in Paris during springtime, Adam & Yves is about the French Yves (Marcus Giovanni) and his pursuit of the American tourist Adam (Michael Hardwick). The men have a brief affair, but a long-lasting relationship is prevented by Yves' insistence that they not share personal information.
 
While making the film, director Peter de Rome reportedly stalked Greta Garbo around New York City, where the retired star was living. After much searching, De Rome, located her and was able to shoot footage of Garbo walking across First Avenue. The footage was inserted into Adam & Yves, and its presence was explained by having Adam recalling how he once saw the elusive star. The Garbo footage was used without the star's knowledge or permission, and she was not paid for her appearance.

I thought it was the other way around.
 
Gman

The take on MLK and gays seems to be mixed
 
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/what-did-mlk-think-about-gay-people/

Tits don't bother me. In fact, I find it deeply hypocritical and sexist that men can be shirtless in public and women can't (though in NY, women legally can). Women can breastfeed wherever they like, as far as I'm concerned.

Threads like these make for interesting reading, not because they provide any useful information but because they reflect the individual posters' personalities. Some take long term relationships very seriously while others want to always be "as free as the wind" and not tied down. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with "loving" or "crushing on" a masseur. After all, what the world needs now is love, sweet love. I don't agree necessarily that the feelings can't be mutual. You just can't approach this relationship like you do some others due to the two basic stumbling blocks:
 
#1: Obviously this can't be an exclusive relationship. You can't be jealous of anybody else he is intimate with regardless of how far that intimacy goes. No, massage is not necessarily sexual but there is often as much touching involved as a doctor's visit. If you are seeking an all-exclusive "all or nothing at all" relationship, go to a dating app or a social activity to find somebody wanting the exact same thing you want.
 
#2: He needs to get paid in order to maintain a roof over his head, unless this is just a side hobby like kite flying. Just remember this: you are likely to spend a LOT more money on a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife or roommate than you ever would on a masseur.

Threads like these make for interesting reading, not because they provide any useful information but because they reflect the individual posters' personalities. Some take long term relationships very seriously while others want to always be "as free as the wind" and not tied down. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with "loving" or "crushing on" a masseur. After all, what the world needs now is love, sweet love. I don't agree necessarily that the feelings can't be mutual. You just can't approach this relationship like you do some others due to the two basic stumbling blocks:
 
#1: Obviously this can't be an exclusive relationship. You can't be jealous of anybody else he is intimate with regardless of how far that intimacy goes. No, massage is not necessarily sexual but there is often as much touching involved as a doctor's visit. If you are seeking an all-exclusive "all or nothing at all" relationship, go to a dating app or a social activity to find somebody wanting the exact same thing you want.
 
#2: He needs to get paid in order to maintain a roof over his head, unless this is just a side hobby like kite flying. Just remember this: you are likely to spend a LOT more money on a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife or roommate than you ever would on a masseur.

I don't remember the exact percentages published regarding homosexuality vs. bisexuality vs. heterosexuality in America, but I am pretty certain that 1940s Kinsey had a higher percentage for homosexuality vs. 1960s Masters & Johnson due to how society became more repressed (post-McCarthy) during the in-between years. When answering an anonymous questionnaire, people were less honest about both their desires and what they did physically. Also Kinsey himself was bisexual, if happily married, while the latter pair was confident in their "heteronormality" and that added a certain bias to their work.
 
Masters did try to "cure" homosexuals with conversion therapies in the late sixties and early seventies that he claimed were effective. Early on, he probably thought it was necessary, but I saw an A&E Biography show featuring him telling Tom Brokaw that he only did this for those who wanted to be converted. Remember too that it was viewed as a mental disorder until the seventies.
 
Bottom line: human beings are social animals who must be accepted by their pack/herd/group. Likewise so much religion and social structure was established in an earlier agricultural time when it was important to produce as many children as possible. Only since the late 1990s, with some progress made in the '70s before the AIDS epidemic destroyed so much, were gays accepted as anything vaguely "normal".
 
On another thread, it is suggested that most gay men lose their virginity in their late teens. That may be true if most interviewed are under 35 years in age and entered puberty since the 90s when some of the stigmas started to subside. If you asked many over that age, my suspicion is that "losing virginity" meant doing so with a female. Many who wanted their "first time" with a male had to wait until they were confident family members and employers wouldn't reject them if they knew. Even today, I still don't believe nearly enough "mainstream" Americans (leading The Pack) are that accepting of the LGBT even though many more are today than a decade or more back.

I've been continually surprised just how many "straight" married men fool around a bit in public steamrooms. I do not think these men think of themselves as anything other than straight though, to them what they do with guys is just helping each other jerk off so it doesn't "count." It's like part of their brain shuts off and segregates the information/experience and I'm sure they would never cop to doing stuff with guys on a survey.

Thanks for the link. I've not read the book nor have seen the video.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myra_Breckinridge_(film)
 
The only book that I've read by Gore Vidal is "Julian" about the Roman Emperor.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_(novel)

Maybe a higher percentage of that 90% only think they are heterosexual? Gotta think what your peers tell you to think... you know, be "normal". When Raquel Welch asks in Myra Breckinridge "what is normal?", Farrah Fawcett answers "Well... it's what everyone does". Not necessarily what everyone desires.
 
There is so much that is offensive about this old movie, although audiences back in 1970 were disgusted about completely different scenes than modern viewers may be disgusted over. No doubt "the majority" that Farrah discusses agreed with Rusty's homophobic comments made while Mae West instructed him in song that "you gotta taste all of the fruit"... bananas included.
 

Jerry Maren has died at age 99....
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/last-surviving-wizard-oz-munchkin-jerry-maren-dies-n880746
 

 
he's in the middle here as part of the Lollipop Guild.....didn't know they dubbed the voices