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No thank you to energy or grandee for me both not super clean. TSMS could use a makeover .  But to each his own! If you prefer energy grandee go for it.  How do we truly know who’s gay ?  We are paying them for a service, or do you want to just support a gay individual? 

Totally agree about the makeover, I've posted before about the drop in service at TS and the up selling and attitude, etc etc etc... oh well, life goes on and we find other spots, their loss 🤷‍♂️

TSMS used to be good; floor to ceiling walls with doors, clean, shower in one of the rooms.  Alvin always delivered.  Now I can see why he left - it's really gone downhill.  Towels smell moldy and don't seem clean, a revolving door of masseurs, every one that I've tried over the past approx. year have negotiated tip.  Had Wynn a week or so ago; excellent massage for the first 30 min.  I thought he was going to be a repeat, but then, 30 min into the "good" massage, I flipped over and the strong negotiations began.  It was so overwhelming that I almost got up and left.  Such a turnoff.  TSMS is finally off my rotation of spas.  Too bad, I liked it there.

TSMS used to be good; floor to ceiling walls with doors, clean, shower in one of the rooms.  Alvin always delivered.  Now I can see why he left - it's really gone downhill.  Towels smell moldy and don't seem clean, a revolving door of masseurs, every one that I've tried over the past approx. year have negotiated tip.  Had Wynn a week or so ago; excellent massage for the first 30 min.  I thought he was going to be a repeat, but then, 30 min into the "good" massage, I flipped over and the strong negotiations began.  It was so overwhelming that I almost got up and left.  Such a turnoff.  TSMS is finally off my rotation of spas.  Too bad, I liked it there.

I agree about negotiations within the massage time.  Total turn off and immediately I just say "no thanks, just a massage", I give a tip that I would for a normal massage, and I don't return.  

Same here on all of what you say. I’ve crossed several guys off my list for that reason.

I agree about negotiations within the massage time.  Total turn off and immediately I just say "no thanks, just a massage", I give a tip that I would for a normal massage, and I don't return.  

I don't recommend Philip. He started negotiating tip, said he couldn't say how much was a "good tip", but when I offered him $50 he said it was way too low.  Times Square Men Spa used to be my go-to, but is no longer good, especially since Alvin left.  Disappointing

I don't recommend Philip. He started negotiating tip, said he couldn't say how much was a "good tip", but when I offered him $50 he said it was way too low.  Times Square Men Spa used to be my go-to, but is no longer good, especially since Alvin left.  Disappointing

I don't recommend Philip. He started negotiating tip, said he couldn't say how much was a "good tip", but when I offered him $50 he said it was way too low.  Times Square Men Spa used to be my go-to, but is no longer good, especially since Alvin left.  Disappointing

No, that’s not what happened or why people are upset. The fact that older masseurs are not part of the standard business massage parlor model was actually acknowledged by the original poster which is why he was asking for some exceptions that may have some older masseurs on staff. 
You replied with a crass restaurant analogy that was basically a false equivalency; nobody wants old food and clearly many people reading the forum prefer older masseurs for a variety of reasons, regardless of whether or not you think it’s a fetish.  Then you doubled down with more immature, inflammatory comments (“stale bread” “old-man fetish” etc), and insisted you that all you did was state a “FACT.”
To put it more simply, you yucked somebody’s yum, and that’s just lame, unproductive, and not in the spirit of the forum. 

Says the person who got OFF topic. 
The OP specifically asked for spas with Older masseurs. 
You decided to give your personal opinion of what you thought about older providers. 
Not once did anyone in this thread ask for your personal opinions on age or personal preferences. 
 
But I do want to congratulate you. I want to award you with the “Troll of the thread” award. 🍾🏆🥇🏆🎖️ as you have gone above and beyond, to not only veer off topic, but to insult other members on this thread.
I commend you for your outstanding efforts.
Congratulations!!!
-and to the moderator… we don’t need this thread closed, nor do we need any adversarial actions. If you want to hold someone accountable. It’s @pubic_assistance. His exchanges in the threads clearly prove this.-
 
Good Day Everyone!!! 😘
 
 
 

Had Santiago a couple weeks ago.  The massage started out ok, although he didn't speak one word upon entering the room and until about 20 min into the massage where he asked if everything was ok.  I was on my back in under 30 min and he was done and out of the room in under 45 min.  I usually tip well, but shortage of time is an automatic $20 reduction in tip and non repeat for me (this usually doesn't happen here, but seems happening more often as it did with one of the asian guys that I didn't get his name (I think Nick) last month.  I can't understand why they do this - offer an average/slightly above average massage, but ruin it by cutting off 10-15 min?!?!?!?  Crazy that ten more min of massage I would have probably been a repeat customer and left at least a $20 larger tip. The strangest thing about Santiago is when he ended the massage he just did a half assed job of cleaning off the oil and left the room without saying anything (I thought he went to get another towel since it was still under 45 min into the massage and I was still sticky with oil).  After laying there for well over 5 min waiting, I got dressed and got the hell out feeling like I wasted time and money. 

@Necks said: We're here looking for something specific. Contribute.
YES
We've already established that I was wrong.
Beat another dead horse, gents.
The Karens are out in force today.

The conversation here is about older providers AT MASSAGE PARLORS (or whatever those businesses are supposed to be called). NOT guys on the apps. I am well aware that there are PLENTY of old daddy types on the sites.
My impression at the "parlors" throughout New York is that *young and cute* is ALWAYS who's sitting up front because that's what sells !!   I have, however, been proven wrong over-all as others have mentioned a few places that have an old man or two. But I would point out this is by far, still the exception to the rule, so my "ignorance" as you call it is a matter of paying attention to the conversation and not wandering off on a tangent.
The result of the thread is that there's exception to every rule. There's a few oldie but goodies scattered here and there at the "Men's Spa" massage places. Probably hiding in the back because I've never seen one.
 

I think Pubic Assistsnce (and I) have been shown to be correct. No one has named a spa with a significant stable of older massage therapists. 
Time to retire this thread? Yes, pun intended. 

The OP was NOT looking for spas with "a significant stable of older massage therapists."
He asked "if any of you know of any parlors in NYC that have guys 40+." He never said that the place had to have more than one or two older guys. No stables needed.
And other members then answered in the affirmative with names of spas in NYC. 

It's really a distinction without a difference when you liken older MT's as old food and 
 
I suppose you can call it "just paying attention".  But when you refer to a group of people as "old food" or are repulsed by "old men touching you" you just reveal a vapid mind.  You're free to disrespect all the groups that you want. If that's what makes you feel valid in life, judge on, man.   

Please stay on topic and let’s just discuss older masseurs available . Thank you .

Had Santiago a couple weeks ago.  The massage started out ok, although he didn't speak one word upon entering the room and until about 20 min into the massage where he asked if everything was ok.  I was on my back in under 30 min and he was done and out of the room in under 45 min.  I usually tip well, but shortage of time is an automatic $20 reduction in tip and non repeat for me (this usually doesn't happen here, but seems happening more often as it did with one of the asian guys that I didn't get his name (I think Nick) last month.  I can't understand why they do this - offer an average/slightly above average massage, but ruin it by cutting off 10-15 min?!?!?!?  Crazy that ten more min of massage I would have probably been a repeat customer and left at least a $20 larger tip. The strangest thing about Santiago is when he ended the massage he just did a half assed job of cleaning off the oil and left the room without saying anything (I thought he went to get another towel since it was still under 45 min into the massage and I was still sticky with oil).  After laying there for well over 5 min waiting, I got dressed and got the hell out feeling like I wasted time and money. 

Had Santiago a couple weeks ago.  The massage started out ok, although he didn't speak one word upon entering the room and until about 20 min into the massage where he asked if everything was ok.  I was on my back in under 30 min and he was done and out of the room in under 45 min.  I usually tip well, but shortage of time is an automatic $20 reduction in tip and non repeat for me (this usually doesn't happen here, but seems happening more often as it did with one of the asian guys that I didn't get his name (I think Nick) last month.  I can't understand why they do this - offer an average/slightly above average massage, but ruin it by cutting off 10-15 min?!?!?!?  Crazy that ten more min of massage I would have probably been a repeat customer and left at least a $20 larger tip. The strangest thing about Santiago is when he ended the massage he just did a half assed job of cleaning off the oil and left the room without saying anything (I thought he went to get another towel since it was still under 45 min into the massage and I was still sticky with oil).  After laying there for well over 5 min waiting, I got dressed and got the hell out feeling like I wasted time and money. 

Had Santiago a couple weeks ago.  The massage started out ok, although he didn't speak one word upon entering the room and until about 20 min into the massage where he asked if everything was ok.  I was on my back in under 30 min and he was done and out of the room in under 45 min.  I usually tip well, but shortage of time is an automatic $20 reduction in tip and non repeat for me (this usually doesn't happen here, but seems happening more often as it did with one of the asian guys that I didn't get his name (I think Nick) last month.  I can't understand why they do this - offer an average/slightly above average massage, but ruin it by cutting off 10-15 min?!?!?!?  Crazy that ten more min of massage I would have probably been a repeat customer and left at least a $20 larger tip. The strangest thing about Santiago is when he ended the massage he just did a half assed job of cleaning off the oil and left the room without saying anything (I thought he went to get another towel since it was still under 45 min into the massage and I was still sticky with oil).  After laying there for well over 5 min waiting, I got dressed and got the hell out feeling like I wasted time and money. 

What are you going on about? Stop.
OP is asking for recommendations for older masseurs, and here you are on your soapbox spewing bullshit. You're like the vegan lady with dreadlocks meme. Stop trying so hard.
Yeah older masseurs are rarer shut up about that. No one cares about your "this is reality" rant. We're here looking for something specific. Contribute.

I'm happy to settle for a license at this point. LOL. No young for me. I've never met a young masseur who exhibited strong talent. I also don't think young guys know very much about how to be sensual. I think it takes some years to develop technique and knowledge. I'm perfectly happy with 30+.
As for cute, well that really depends on taste. I'll take sexy over cute any day.

I called for Peter at Renew 8th Ave last week and the lady told me he works Fri., Sat., and Mon., but who knows if that's true.