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How can you be sure of that? Have you hired him or received that feedback from others who have? One of the most expensive massages I ever received cost $200 for an hour. The guy had a lot of nude photos, including some showing erections, and the text more than suggested a lot more than a standard happy ending. I ended up getting a mediocre massage from a hot muscle man who kept shorts and a tank top on the entire time. Whenever I attempted to touch him (like when his thigh was within reach), he'd move far enough away that I couldn't. This was many years ago when I wasn't as confident as to call out such b.s., so I just paid his exorbitant fee (for a standard massage) and left disappointed. Moral of the story: Don't assume that just because a masseur posts sexy photos and suggestive text and has prices closer to the escort realm that you will get anything more than a basic massage, and maybe not even a good massage at that.

Too expensive for purely therapeutic unless one has money to burn and wants a little eye candy during the massage (though one minimally sees the masseur when getting a truly therapeutic massage, so I don't understand caring about the masseur's looks if one is truly looking for therapeutic only).

Great responses already. The bottom line is that you cannot assume anything just because an escort performs BB on camera at least some of the time but lists "safe only" in his ad. If you want to know what the escort's limits with you will be, you need to discuss that. That being said, I do understand that men who want to increase the odds that the escort won't try to have bareback sex with them would screen out those who post any indication that the escort ever barebacks. There are still no guarantees in life (other than death), but I understand an attempt to screen out guys that way.

I disagree when it comes to a 24 hour appointment. I definitely understand that if you are only with someone for an hour or two, he needs to be focused on you and not his phone. But to expect attention at all times for 24 hours is a bit much, I think. During lunch is not the best time to be texting, but if he wasn't given any other down time apart from sleep and going to the bathroom then I can understand his desire to check his texts and emails. In fact, I thought standard practice for longer hires like that was to specifically give the guy some time on his own to do such things.

I really wanted to hire Will, too, but I've tried messaging on A4A, texting him, and leaving a voice message and he never replied. I basically left a general interest message (saw your ad, interested in hiring you today/this weekend/sometime this week), so I don't think it's anything I said or wrote. I have had other providers ghost me, though, so I wonder whether something negative about me has been posted on some forum I cannot access or find via a Google search, but most guys I reach out to respond professionally so I doubt it's that (plus I've never mistreated anyone I've hired). So I'm not sure why I never got a response, but I decided to just move on to other men.

https://m4m-forum.org/threads/david-diaz-in-sf-411.145716/

I didn't watch all of the clips, but from what I saw it seems like a downgrade in customer experience for the diner but potential upgrade for the restaurant owner: The customers have to do more work for themselves (and hopefully don't get charged a "service fee" or mandatory tip as a result), and the business owner just needs to buy and maintain the machinery instead of paying people. I don't mind ordering food and picking it up at a counter at a casual restaurant, but if I'm at a traditional restaurant I don't really want to have to serve myself.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. While you clearly used the word "rent," I think I was thrown by the extraneous details. Describing his being victim of a scam just led me down the path of assuming he was looking for some sort of financial assistance or a break from someone who is in a position to offer that kindness. It sounds like the reality is that he is just looking for somewhere to live. The rest of the story isn't pertinent to him being on the lookout for a room to rent.

Agreed. Since I live somewhere so expensive, the rates here are on the high side. I've learned my lesson with higher than average rates, though, coupled with suggestive ads: Just because someone is charging a fee close to an escort rate and has plenty of nude photos available doesn't mean that the massage service will be anything more than a poorly executed therapeutic massage. It may be a great experience, but high cost guarantees nothing. That's why I generally avoid guys who price themselves more an escorts but are advertising only on massage websites. $400 for a massage just doesn't make sense unless that massage lasts over two hours.

I think I understand your statement, but on the other hand wouldn't one want to know who is moving into one's house/apartment for a month? I'd want more than just a photo if I had a spare room to offer for a month. And I hope that in addition to a free room for a month that someone can educate this poor man on how to avoid being taken advantage of financially in the future. Paying a security deposit to someone he never met and a place he never looked at is very reckless. I know some people end up getting scammed this way after looking at an apartment with someone claiming to be the landlord of said place when, in fact, they just happen to have access to an empty space, and falling victim to a scam like that is more understandable. Sending money sight unseen just doesn't make sense.

The ad already appears to be down, so unfortunately your warning won't help anyone today.

Well, my HMO (Kaiser) won't work with a Concierge Physician, and that's definitely something that increases the cost for me. I could have dual coverage -- the luxury of longer visits and more immediate care with a concierge plan and then Kaiser benefits for more expensive things or routine coverage -- and, in fact, that's the way some concierge plans have been marketed to me. But you have to remember I live in a place where a lot of people are making a whole lot of money, so I suppose some people might actually be willing to pay for a concierge plan even though the doctor isn't part of their HMO network.

Before I switched to Kaiser several years ago, I was aware of its not so stellar reputation. My experience has been quite the opposite, though. No, my doctor doesn't spend a half hour with me every visit but I do feel like he spends enough time to address my needs. He's typically available within a day or two. I have had to wait for some specialist visits, but when I get to those visits I feel like I receive excellent care -- not the revolving door approach that some allege. I also like that many routine issues that don't require an in person visit don't cost me anything extra since routine matters can be addressed via phone or email. I suppose that I could choose to buy into a concierge service, but at this point I don't feel the need to do so. It would also certainly cost me a lot more than an extra $150 per month.

I think that most people using fake photos aren't using porn models' photos since those photos would be so recognizable to the advertisers' target audience. Instead they grab photos of other types of models (and having an escort ad might, in fact, negatively impact a mainstream model's career) or just hot guys they've found online. But even if the photos stolen are of a porn model, it still doesn't excuse someone using that model's photos without his permission. There really isn't any justification for this behavior, though I understand why some guys might do it just like I understand why some people engage in other unethical behavior.

Correction: They made the right decision to serve their own interests. We have no knowledge what the impact was on the men whose photos were used without their knowledge and consent. Maybe their reputations were negatively impacted which caused relationship, housing, or employment problems. I have a difficult time calling the decision "right" when the con men's only concern was themselves. Whatever potential problems they didn't want to have by using their own photos are the very same problems they could have caused other people to have. I find that reprehensible.

How odd that more than one client had a provider email him a list of other clients' information. How careless does one need to be to do that?! I do occasionally get a spam email that appears to come from a guy I hired off Craigslist over 15 years ago, and the recipients of the email are all listed in plain view. I suppose I could assume that all of those other email addresses belong to clients, but maybe the guy used the same email address for other purposes. Still, it's kind of odd knowing that I guy I hired is either sending out spam in this way or, more likely, his email address has been hacked and is being used to send spam showing everyone's email info.

I've definitely seen ads where guys blur out what could be identifying markings, particularly tatoos. Why any professional (escort or masseur) would think it's okay to use someone else's photos because they don't want to be identified is beyond comprehension. If one is worried about being identified based on a photo, what about the person whose photo was used without permission? I call b.s. on the notion that anyone really does this for reasons of discretion. I think there is always some "grade inflation" at work -- in other words, they use photos that depict a slightly (or significantly) better version of themselves.

I'd say that if you're that curious and can afford it, just try it out. It seems like no one else who participates in these forums has. Based on the website, however, I'd expect a therapeutic only massage at a cost higher than one could pay elsewhere for the same service. If that's what you're looking for and you want your massage to take place in a spa location, then go for it. I personally would rather just hire someone well reviewed off another website and go to his place.

I'm confused. This looks like a client profile to me. It says "client info" and the reviews are headed "submitted reviews."

But the problem with your point is that that is not the kind of person this thread is about. It's about a kid from a financially secure family who feels entitled to handouts into his adulthood. If Benjamin (or I or anyone else) had posted similar comments in a thread about a poor former foster youth who was using GoFundMe to try to attend college, your critique would be warranted. Here -- not so much.

I will typically search for a phone number when an ad catches my eye, but most of the time I get nothing of substance. It only takes a few seconds to search, though. If I get an old match from a completely different escort, I don't pay it much mind. But if there is a recent ad posted elsewhere for someone else with the same phone number, I figure one of two things is going on: Either the ad is a fake or the phone number is that of a booking agent, not the escort. In neither case do I proceed -- although there has been one exception and that was because the guy was also discussed here so I knew he was legit.

I didn't get a dime of support from my parents after I moved out to attend college. I had a very small scholarship my first year, took out loans, and worked part time while going to school full time. Unless there is some written contract that the parents are to pay for education (like a divorce decree between the parents that indicate this support will be provided), I think it's wrong that adolescents expect things they do as adults to be paid for. It's wonderful for those from affluent enough families that the parents frequently pay for their children's education, but it isn't a legal obligation. And a young adult who is going to beg online for money from strangers doesn't seem to be mature enough to go to college anyway. Maybe he needs to face the reality of supporting himself for a bit to figure out how to proceed in life.

Is it the private photos that are causing some to believe that Joaohung is the same as FrancoSFO? The public photos that can be compared (close up hard cock shots) don't seem to be of the same cock.

Today with no ads on Craigslist and the like? Less likely, I think. But many years ago I definitely ran into some odd things when hiring off Craigslist. On one occasion, I reached someone who proceeded to lecture me and then warn me that I could end up being arrested by contacting men running ads like his. On another occasion (and I'm still not sure how the guy managed this), the number I called was answered by my local non-emergency local police dispatch call center. Maybe someone placed an ad and forwarded the number listed to the police department? It freaked me out a bit but I simply hung up, saying I called the wrong number.

I had the same thought. Why are they wearing what look like women's bikinis when they don't appear to be trying to appear feminine in any other way? Some cute guys, but the bikini tops were a definite turn off.