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And I can totally understand why you feel this way if you think we are only spending 2-3 minutes a day replying to these texts. I *could* argue that assuming this is pretty condescending and out of touch also. It essentially reads that we should just say thank you to the people who are taking advantage of us and allow them to waste our time for sexual pleasure. Although your interactions may be simple - I can promise you that is not the case in terms of both the volume of enquires, and time spent with administrative work it takes to deal with them. Sometimes I am guilty of being exasperated far the 20th enquiry of one day that has asked a million questions all available on my profile to read and just replying with shortened response. They haven't bothered to read the info which means they are either contacting a lot of providers or they are just not that serious. You only get prank called so many times before you install caller ID and not answer private numbers. That doesn't mean every person who calls is a prankster - but you do have you guard up. You would go crazy otherwise. I'm not here to provoke - just explaining and answering the question truthfully. Sometimes we get exhausted by it. We are human.

You are also highjacking this thread about another comment but I will play along - OK - Next time you stay at hotel tell them you are offended about having to pay a security deposit, because you have never trashed a room and how dare they assume that you would! Tell them you have chosen the hotel because you liked the pics, read the reviews and friends have confirmed it is a great place and you are offended they are assuming you would cause damage. You getting offended because OTHER people are not doing the right thing is .....wild. Tell me: How many times do you think people have contacted me and jerked off when they are talking on the phone? How many times do you think this happened to us each day? How many times do you think these people have sent perfectly normal messages first? Now how many times do you think people have done this before a provider enforces a 'no calls' policy? Why else do you think we would do it other than to protect ourselves?

Yeah it could be, and I expected that reply. Just to clarify my rate is 300. Which is then reduced for longer sessions. Not one of those guys who is charging 500 for an hour.

Imagine going to a bar, ordering a drink and they say 'sure we just need your card to start a tab' and you reply 'I wont run out, I always pay my tab. that offends me. just trust me that I will pay at the end.' The bartender replies - "well I am sure YOU don't run out, but some people do, so we have to get cards to start tabs" and you reply "I am so offended that you think I am one of those people who run out on tabs. Other bars just trust me." This is what you sound like right now.

i guess you should have finished that whole paragraph were I said "And even though you ARE hiring, reaching out to three people adds to it." While you YOU are hiring, keep in mind there are maybe 50 people who have reached out that are NOT. I never said that this is about people who DO hire. I actually explicitly said otherwise. Wrong again. I love my clients, I have great relationships with them. I have contempt for the people who jerk us around for pleasure. wasting our time and treating us like shit. when you have travelled to hotels and sat in the lobby for 20 minutes to be greeted by no one countless times, you also would be doing this. How many times a day do you think we should do this? I genuinely want to know. How long should I talk to someone on the phone while they are masturbating? Once again - if you do not do this - I am not talking about YOU personally so I am not sure why you are personally offended. Just explaining why we respond the way we do, which was the question asked. You just have no idea of the amount on administrative work we do dealing with this. Next time you are with a provider (assuming you actually do hire) ask them in person. I probably receive 6 phone calls a day with people masturbating on the end of the line, even though my profile clearly states 'please text'. God knows how many are doing it via text.

Clients that do this are really fucking annoying and it's a BIG reason why you get labeled with the 'time waster' tag. We get 'hey I like you are you available text'. we reply back with 'yeah I can be, what part of town are you in my rate is *insert standard rate* etc etc' then silence from the client, or even better 'great, let me get back to you'. Because we might be preference number 3 or 4 or 5 and they are waiting to hear back from number preferred provider 1. Which then leads to us just putting little effort into the reply sometimes because the volume of messages we are getting from people only messaging us as they just want us to 'audition'. The volume of people messaging providers for these interactions ONLY while they jerk off looking at our pics and imagining what it would be like. the text messaging back and forth completely satisfies them is ASTOUNDING. It's vampirish and exhausting. I assume every single person that reaches out is one of these people until they prove me otherwise. And even though you ARE hiring, reaching out to three people adds to it. There are other reasons for a quick short response - it could also be a quick reply because we are already talking to someone else, we are at the gym, on the subway, on a airplane, in the library, sitting at a barber chair, eating at a restaurant: we are not sitting at an office desk when we are fielding enquiries. I get that sometimes waiting for a reply can be frustrating, especially when you are horny and excited. I wish clients would keep this in mind when reaching out. I also get that it goes both ways - I get really fucking annoyed with short messages like 'rates? available?' and giving full replies 'yes I am available, how are you? when are you looking for?' to then only get one word reply back. but that happens A LOT. People treat Rentmen conversations a lot like grindr in terms of communications styles. It's hard not to get offended sometimes when you are not getting back what you are putting out. I'm with you on this! To answer your question - I have a standard reply that I edit around the initial text. I think it matters and I always try to be professional. But there is a line of giving a lot of myself out there (FOR FREE) for people who are already talking advantage of it, people who are messaging multiple people that are not THAT interested in me - which can be really draining. Versus holding back and protecting myself and mental health from these interactions so I can be my BEST self when I do show up for bookings. It's a tough balance that we don't always get right but try to.

I am going to help you with this. Reach out to a provider you have had a good time with before and send this: "Hello again. I really enjoyed our session last time, and I wanted to ask about a specific scenario to see if it is something you could help me organize. I would love an erotic massage, and I would like to see it build from there, with elements of surprise added in. I would like a hood being placed over my head (the masseur says it will help eliminate outside distractions and further relax me) my legs spread and my ankles bond to the corners of the table and headphones placed on me playing erotic trance/hypno tape. And while I am in this situation you can then introduce another set of hands into the mix during the session (another element of surprise). I understand both providers need to be paid each- is this something you would be comfortable doing? I have wanted to ask for a while but I have been worried that you would think I am either weird (for lack of a better word) and trying to engage in sexting." Send this and after you get a reply - discuss logistics ONLY. (ie, rate, time, place) I would encourage you to reach out to a provider you had a good time with before because they already know you and know that you are a legit client. ENJOY! its a sexy fantasy.

Weekend bookings are true BFE experiences. I agree with what other posters have said - in these situations it's better to collaborate with the provider and give them some input into would make the time enjoyable for them also. This will make them put more effort in to as it makes it an easier job. For eg. if you want to go for dinner - ask the provider what cuisines they enjoy most. you mentioned you are in NYC - if you want to see a broadway show, ask him if there are any shows that he would love to see. As always - instead of just asking people here: ask the provider straight up.

I don't know if you are dense, or I am not being clear. 1. I believe providers, like anyone in any industry, can act inappropriately. you know we are people too right? 2. I don't believe people give up their phones to have these people leave reviews. Sorry - I just don't. 3. and IF it has happened, I don't believe that they don't then take these reviews down. Him saying 'oh but he knows where I live' is also BS. The provider won't get a notification the review is gone. just block his profile and be done with it. Just because someone says it happened, doesn't mean it is gospel. and here is the real gag: YOU ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW EITHER. you chose to believe it, I don't. And guess what - that is OK.

It's YOUR job to make it sexy, not for the clients to make it sexy for you. Getting into the mind frame to make it sexy is what separates the men from the boys. This is your choice. One of the joys for me about sex work is that I get to set my schedule. This has to be balanced with saying No to clients who want to see me at 2am. You can set out 'open hours' like any other service does - we cannot be available 24hrs a day 7 days a week. We all need to make the choice at times - would we prefer see the client, or would we prefer 'getting things done'? But if you want to make money, and you want to be busy, you must be flexible and have an understanding that YOUR schedule needs flexibility to ensure you can get as many bookings as possible. Welcome back to the forum - yes you are. But the way you have been writing in this new profile is a sign that you are doing better with these challenges. It's true that there are a lot of guys out there that use Rentmen profiles to jerk off to and use us as 'interactive porn'. Some of the clients here on this site for eg, rate, reach out, comment about us, look up and critique our profiles when they have not hired for YEARS and have no intention in doing so. Lots of people will contact you with no intention to meet up and get off on just the thought of it. But there are also a lot of people who reach out with intention but also trepidation, and if your sales and marketing skills or bedside manner is not accommodating enough- you wont land the sale. It's a tough balance to weigh up being open enough for these people and closed enough for the tire kickers who are jerking us around to not drain you.

I'm not wrong. I just don't believe it. Nothing said here has changed my mind on that. No one here was with SavantSav at the time this 'happened', and so no one can actually 'corroborate' what transpired. I have arrived at group bookings where other providers have been high or under performed. I have been in situations where I was shocked by the behavior of the other providers in all manner of ways (hygiene, drug use, tardiness, politeness, outdated pics, poor effort). I have trusted regulars who have told me about providers who have been aggressive. I am certain that is true that provides can behave in these ways, and I am certain he has had bad encounters. I just don't believe that the initial experience he had with provider resulting in a 5star review was a bad one. Sorry. *Shrug* But it's not just my experience that tells me otherwise, it's also Rentmen's (admittedly deeply flawed) review policies. So once again - if there was a situation where someone DEMANDED you give up your phone to them (I don't believe this happened, but lets go with it) IF that was true - you can simply have the review removed by contacting Rentmen. They remove reviews at the posters request very quickly. So it is way more likely that the review is still up because it was genuine, and now something has happened since the encounter and the reviewer has sour grapes/ the relationship has soured. This might surprise you - but people often come on here a tell half lies or complete BS in order to get sympathy and pats on the back- it makes them feel better about themselves I guess I don't know the motive. They put down providers here on the DAILY. Not sure what else to say my dude. Sorry but thats how I see it.

don't ask, don't get.

This is sound advice! The OP should look for providers he likes, (well reviewed both here and on RentMen) reach out and disclose your age! I think the advice about not going below a certain age is great as well - you are going to have a much better experience with a provider in his 30s or 40s than you would a 21 year old child. Speaking as a provider: we don't care as long as you give us some heads up. Sometimes it requires some mental preparation to do this job and provide a service allows us to go the extra mile.

Just ask what you want. I guarantee we have heard it or something similar. My most wild one was someone asking me to kill them. obviously I didn't do that.

don't hire guys who PnP - thats a risk you get when you play with drugs. and delete the reviews. Hope that helps.

Im not saying THAT part didn't happen - what I don't believe is the encounter that lead to the 5 star review was bad. More likely it was good, and thus the review, but afterwards sour grapes appeared - client stated messaging casually with out making bookings, client got jealous or feelings hurt, provider turned down a second appointment, client started asking for discounts 'since we both had such a good time', client starting texting asking for more pics... "I only left a review because they asked me to and stood there and watched me" yeah right. as if you woudl not say "Sure I will do it later tonight, thanks for coming over, bye" you can also just as easily ask Rentmen to take down positive reviews they do it in a flash. so I call bullshit on that story. I will even grant you that maybe subsequent appointments were not as stellar as the first - but no one, NO ONE hands over their phone to someone and lets someone else publish something from their phone, especially if it was someone they did not have a good time with. When was the last time you handled over your phone and just let someone send messages with it without your approval? It doesn't make sense. "I only left a review because they asked me to and stood there and watched me" yeah right. as if you would not say "Sure I will do it later tonight, thanks for coming over, bye" you can also just as easily ask Rentmen to take down positive reviews they do it in a flash. so I call bullshit on that story.

"I'll take things that never happened for 500 Alex."

I occasionally reach out to providers who have been left a review by a client and just ask for a heads up with three simple questions - what was he like, what does he like, would you see them again? A history of reviews is certainly a great indicator that the client is legit. I don't like when the client has hundreds of them though - it shows me that this client will be a one and done no matter how well I perform. I call them "tally clients" they just be racking up a tally on the bed posts and getting someone new every time - it also creates a lot of pressure. Perform well and get a review, but also be prepared to be compared to ALL the other really hot guys that have fucked them, knowing that you are being 'rated'. I guess is our version of being 'clock watched'. Conversely, bad indicator is when they have left multiple reviews for guys and more than one or two of these reviews is negative, be it here or on rentmen. It could be that they are high maintenance client, or a client that has hygiene issues that they are unaware of making the providers struggle to perform.

Nope. Only losers who are deliberately wasting sex workers time by ghosting day of appointments, doing long sex chats back and forth and not hiring, people who think its cool to haggle, people who cancel last minute, clients who are unhygienic or have other things around safety that other sex workers need to know. Congrats on the clean slate, you must be one of the good ones.

you asked a question, I gave you the answer. and offering to provide a call? so geneouros of you! (note the sarcasm) i ts not helpful of you to 'offer' to take up more of the providers time unpaid so you can jerk off on the phone and not follow through with the appointment anyway.

What are you into? is my favorite one. 😂 100% this. how many mr.numebr reviews do you have?

Yes. Ask him.

a way to show provider you are legit is to - send a small deposit. (amazon gift card is a easy way to send without leaving a trail), arranging for uber for our visit if you are getting an outcall, or having a premium rentmen account. Hope this helps. We need more good guys.

perhaps because the VAST majority of people that contact has have no intention of hiring, and then the small percentage that actually do have intention have not read our adds properly and ask questions like 'can you host?' when the first line of our add said "I can not host" or some such nonsense.

never send a deposit to a provider that has no reviews.