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The OP asked a question, and it’s been answered. Why are you getting your panties all knotted? And you don’t know what these people have done to me. You’re reading snippets. The people who are on the list have been either repeat flakes/timewasters or have proven to have less than stellar motives. One of the guys, he contacted me in DC last week to meet. This is 3 YEARS AFTER he had flaked on numerous other appointments when I lived in Denver. I gave him another chance in D.C. He did it again. I only gave him a chance because he’d seen me before. But he’s a fantasist. And chill the F out. You’re on a website that discusses the reviewing of...well I won’t say the word to avoid conflict. But yeah, if I can be reviewed, YOU can be reviewed just as well.

Well, he was one of the few clients I still remained in touch with back when I used massage m4m/massuerfinder and who later would see me on men4rent. So, it was a massage session price..but the visits had an escorty vibe to it. Yet it was vanilla enough that I was okay with it. However, the sessions would frequently and randomly be rescheduled, and then cancelled on the rescheduled days. All that messing me about was starting to cost me more than $150.

Well let me just say, it’s not about can or cannot. And I know you trying to be smart and refer to me as “those”. Don’t gettit confused. The reason why I stopped seeing the 150 client, is because I was being called over to a different area of town being given 350 each time. So I was like screw that, this MoFo doesn’t want to give me a penny over 150 ever, yet this other guy is giving me 350 to go to the same area...EVERY time I go out there. Other guys were matching it as well. Also, this could just be a temporary reaction to what I’m experiencing in the particular area I’m visiting in...as it’s not a Washington DC market per say. Like I said, 250 is universal there. But However, 200 seems to be getting a lot more yes for me outside of that area. 250 seems to create extra conversation where there shouldn’t, but that’s only recently begun. If anything, I may just go ahead and see how a new rate strategy would work for me. At the same time, I would be dismayed to be in a position where lowering rates does nothing but equate to making less across the board e.g. a $50 drop translates to $200 missing across 4 clients. However, I think the additional clients will make up from that.

Let me tell you something. If I can post my phone number and photos for the world to see, guess what? If they want to play little bullshit games, then let the world see that. People use the cloak of anonymity to condone being an ass towards someone or a group in society.

I don’t post phone numbers though. I post screenshots, which may or may not show the phone numbers. It’s no different than people posting their screenshots of Grindr messages, etc. I can also blur out partials of numbers using the photo editor, to where it doesn’t fully show the number. It’s working for me though. Several clients have been redeemed, who otherwise wouldn’t of given 2 shits about how they messed me up, had I just sat back and done nothing (thought that doesn’t apply to situations such as missed connections, or those that may have cancelled due to time differences, etc) The other day, I had a mother ducker who screwed me around on 3 separate occasions. Each time, he would attempt to schedule...and then trail off. Not necessarily grounds for blocking, but on the 3rd time, I actually went all the way to his place, and he was nowhere to be found. Let’s just say, he redeemed himself rather quickly. We’re in a societal war right now. It’s due to increases in free sex apps, and decreases in the number of escort websites to advertise on. Couple that with endless supply of abundant porn (no offense to anyone who chooses to preform or watch). If we don’t stand up for ourselves, nobody will. People just aren’t giving a fuck. I feel gay black guys are being given the least fucks about right now. Not sexually, but respectfully. I’ve gone on many free dates with guys who are eager to have sex, but then afterwards it’s like I’m treated like a dildo to be put away than an actual person...until I finally get tired of their games and walk away. Unfortunately I can’t do nothing about it in my personal life, but I’m defintely going to do something about it when it comes to my money. However, I’m trying not to use my page as a weapon or anything. I would rather have the client work with me, than to immediately send them to the dungeon. I try to reserve it for those one would genuine need to watch for.

Yes I do. It’s the twitter link in my signature. Twitter/ Flakes of rentmen. Guys get added almost EVERY DAMN DAY -S.J. Though, I can’t understand why signatures don’t show up when I use my phone, but does on laptop and iPad. One thing we can learn from Trump is: Twitter is freedom of speech and you can’t be shushed for that. To kill Twitter would technically, be assaination of a presidential character. So that (god forbid) won’t be done. I’m liking my list more than the other website lists, because once a bad client makes amends, I can immediately remove their info. Some sites wouldn’t do that, and I think it’s fair that if a client pays for a missed session, they should be fully redeemed.

I’ve always had rates for multi-hour sessions. And quite similar to what you’ve mentioned. Here’s a quick read article, though I’m finding it hard to believe what this woman is actually saying: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.entrepreneur.com/amphtml/273955 Thing is, multi hour rates are doable for some...but if people are saying they only have $150..doing a multi-hour rate for $400 isn’t necessarily going to change their mind. People who want to pay $150 are doing so usually because they want a guy to come in and go within an hour or so. They’re not trying to spend much more time than that. Personally though, I would prefer to stay at 200, if I do have to drop from 250. I’ve found $150 clients usually are the most pushy, aggressive, and flaky. Or you give them the sesaion dor $150, but then they never come around again. One guy, I even agreed to $150, and he only left me $80. I almost yanked him back up the elevator. Or you get the regulars who keep you at $150 for LIFE. Regardless of how much work you put into. One guy in Tampa, I told him I won’t do $150 for him anymore because when I drive from Orlando, it takes 1.5 hour there plus his 1 hour massage appointment that turns into 90 minutes after he chats about how lavish his life is, and the 1.5 hour back. Over 4 hours of time for $150. He got mad, and I blocked him.

Back to the original topic: As other sites have been eliminated, rates are not being displayed, and others migrating from CL and BP. It seems to stand that along with it, people are expecting rates that may be lower than what am escort chooses to command. I had put my rates up to $250 once I turned 30 last year. I find it works well in many larger markets However, I can agree with another provider I spoke with, that $150 seems to be a no fuss rate in most markets. At the same time, with the expenses I have, I would personally prefer to stay at or above $200. Does anyone feel that by taking their rates down, even if temporarily....would help reach a wider base? Right now, with so many different factors going on, I’m feeling that I need to pull away from $250, and revert back to $200 for markets outside of DC and similar wealthy areas. I know my worth, and I’ve made the $400, 500, 1,200. But at the same time, I rather be fuss free about my rates, rather than having to each time feel I either have to lower or explain why it’s the price I set it to.

Okay...time for a new topic. I’m done here

Emphasis on “sometimes”

I'm well aware of it, that's why over the years...I always try to go to the gym/day errands either between 2 and 5 pm (which can still get mixed up if you get a daytime visitor), or late at night when it's certain no one is coming by. I got caught out at the gym today, but the appointment was bogus...and in fact I need to go ahead and add him to the list. Can't stand being interrupted during my workout with BS, especially when I already had to work up the motivation to get there in the first place. Think I need to just go ahead and stop forwarding messages to my personal phone.

It’s very doable. Especially for an escort website. Domain and all. I was paying$14 a month. I’ve switched to biz cards, and it’s been fun passing them out after sessions. It’s like they’re getting a little souveni

I have a car and I still don’t like doing last minute appointments. Case in point: I was in DuPont circle couple weeks ago and hanging with my friend at Nellies. I mean, we had a hotel that was walking distance, but it was raining and also 20 minutes walking distance to me is a long way, when you used to driving. I got a call at the bar to come over to a DuPont hotel. Great, perfect. I needed the $250. But he wanted ASAP. Understandable, but my friend is the partner of my best friend. It would be an asshole move for me to have ditched him at the bar to take a Uber/Lyft, considering I drove us there. Fortunately I was able to my friend back to the hotel and then to my clients hotel. Something told me drive in case I got an appointment, despite having walked the night before. However, I still had to sweet talk the client into giving me an hour to get there, even though I was right up the street. He wanted me to come sooner. I had just ate a big fish dinner, so unless he wants fishy beer breath escort to kiss him, I need my Fucking hour. So contrary to@MiamiLooker ole lying ass talking about I can’t get places like other escorts, damn that. I have no issue getting places. But I’m not going to be that escort who ditches friends to go turn a trick. That ruins friendships, and clients rarely ever stop their plans for us, so the hell am I to stop for them.

And what were these 1 off bad experiences you speak of? Chicago can be fun, but I still have my reservations. For good reasons. Once again, it falls under the 25% rule of things. Which means whenever the AA population is at or above 25% in any given city, it’s going to prove logistically challenging to go to the market and try to make a presence. The best place to be as an ethnic minority escort, is someplace where you can stand out. http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/6702.jpg Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, and unfortunately at times Washington, D.C...don’t offer much of a chance to stand out. To them, I’m just another Black guy who should “get a job” instead of someone who’s in business for himself. The black guys who have grown up and local to the area, already have a footing on the scene. Newer guys stepping on the scene have a lot more to contend with. Contrast that to your location of SLC. A place that I generally enjoyed a lot, until Grindr and Scruff started becoming more popular. Then I just kinda stopped going there as much. http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/26223.jpg

I’ve already explained it...

My issue is their prices. It used to be $59 for a decent ad. $277 is too much for an internet ad. You can be running your own damn website for 90% less than that. As a traveling escort, I’d have a hard time justifying that bill each month unless I was really making good figures with no time wasters and bullshit mixed in. However, it seems as if there are many guys advertising with lots of reviews. So may work for some than others

True. And that’s not to blast his post or say it’s garbage or anything like that. He’s definitely doing good for the community. Opinions are fine, but having a single opinion on such a broad matter tends to make it look 1 sided.

Those are some good points he bought up, but some of the stuff he’s saying seems doesn’t fully sympathize to the relatively proactive topic he’s speaking about. For example: “In my experience, when things are not going the way I want, it is my fault. Even when it is not only my fault, I can only command my own behavior. Blaming others maybe very useful to feel better about yourself, but it is not going to change anything in your situation. Time pass for everyone. If you notice that you are not being hired as often as you used to, perhaps you are just not as desirable as you used to. I am not taking only about your looks but specially about your attitude. Take a look at the massive competition”. He’s seeing things thru one lens, versus the lens of others who are actually doing it. It’s like watching a football game and yelling at the TV. Yeah you can see things from 40 different camera angles, in hindsight...but the players are going by the playbook and have a whole other team full of opponents. He says when “things” aren’t going his way, it’s his fault. Well which things does he refer to? I was a bit taken aback, when it goes on to state that part of the reason if an escort isn’t being hired as often, that their desirability has gone down. If some could sit down and see the texts I get on a regular basis, they’d see it’s not attitude or looks. There’s a severe lack of courtesy and communication on-going, and I spend more time than I care to, trying to come up with ways to better it. Just like today: I’ve been trying to schedule a client for a second time today. He texted me Friday. I informed him I was not available to host that day. However he kept trying to push me to meet him. I told him, I’m going to a different area of the state, but can host when I return back to town over the weekend. I reached out to him Sunday, no response. But then he contacts me again today. Our visit was set to be at 5 tomorrow, for me to host. Well then he contacts back asking if he can host today, how long would it take to arrive to an area near him. Within 30 minutes, he goes from asking, “3som?” to “cancel all”...after instead of texting, I called him to figure out when I’d get the info he said he’d be sending to me within 15 minutes, because I needed to know which direction to go if he wanted to meet in what seemed to be a short amount of time. This comes a day after, another client stood me up on an outcall downtown. Phone ringing, he wasn’t answering. Didn’t even try to contact me back. Today I reach him, he just non-chalantly says he doesn’t know what happened. Almost like he didn’t even have a conscious. Only reason he’s complying is because I put his shit out on the front page of my twitter client warning page. Last week, I had 2 other weirdo flakes with one guy threatening to have his attorney call me for posting his info on my twitter client warning page. Please do. So I can show him how he attempted to send me 30 miles outside of Pittsburgh for a bogus outcall. Things right now are in a discombobulated funk right now. I’m trying very hard to keep it together, but there’s only so much I can do myself. How about some of these people fucking take some damn responsibility for their compulsive, impulsive behavior.

I myself have been contemplating the masseurfinder site as well, but based on what you said...I’d have the same reservations. If anyone recalls, years ago rentmen when it first started, was a very odd site. Most of the contacts from the site were email flakes. Eventually, it developed and evolved to being the #1 site. However, it seems to still have a level of flake factor that reminds me of its former days. Part of me wants to get off rentmen and go back to use masseurfinder exclusively. That would likely even mean getting off of the escorting end of things and keeping it strictly massage.

And there’s nothing wrong with that...like I said I’m not villanizing someone for calling at a late hour or whatever the case may be. I’ve taken those calls, and I’d be open to take them again. But my guess is that not all of those situations go like that. I won’t go into explaining why, but similar like I mentioned in the first pos.

Well, back then I had flown out there and stayed for about 5-6 days. The reason why I’ve returned since, is because I’ve started to travel to areas surrounding Chicago, and in the process I would sometimes advertise in the area and stop by. In one instance, there was a client who ran a porn company, and I was able to stay at the “bachelor pad” for a couple days. I’ve also gone for photo shoot opportunities, etc. But I’ve never actually gone and paid in advance for hotels and waited around for biz like I did since 2009. So I’m not insane, I just don’t write it off completely and if I’m nearby and something happens, I’ll go. I meet clients from Chicago all the time, but never when I’m actually there. I had one guy meet me in Orlando, but my previous texts showed he contacted me while I had a running in Chicago, but he never followed back up. Typical of what happens. They never follow back up in Chicago. Not sure how your hiring another escort factors into the topic at hand. I’m sure there’s things being exchanged in Chicago, but what we don’t know is how long are these guys waiting for that exchange to happen????

Well, I can say yesterday was a nice visit in Chicago. The weather was great, which in my experience rarely seems to be the case. However, I still won’t be fooled by the “potentional” of market. I still plan to work it a bit, but from a distance. I learned in 2009 when I wasted $600 going to Chicago for the first time, staying in nice hotels and a round trip flight, only to end up with 0 clients. Since then, I’ve passed thru about 2-3 times, and besides a couple of good clients here and there, it’s usually just passing by to look at the skyline, and then keep it moving. I’m almost kinda over all these rust belt cities. Guys out here just act like they have no sense. I don’t know what’s wrong wit em. Waiting on someone today to send me my fee from last night, after the idiot had me coming out to his place and didn’t answer calls or texts. And my forgiving ass, I let this MoFo flake a 3rd time. Except this time, he actually had me coming out, and now I’m not playing with his ass.

You are so ignorant. You just stay talking out of your ass. Be mad at yourself because you can’t do short notice or in advance because you’re not even a provider PERIOD. And before you talk about what I can’t do, versus what someone else is doing...it’d behoove you to back up what you’re saying by asking the many clients who have been very much happy with what I offer. Don’t come on here and trash talk someone and claim others are doing what I can’t, to make me feel inferior,when clearly I have enough clout behind what I do. Get your fucking life. Loser. I’m tired of you coming in here talking shit all the time. And because of what? Because I like to have order and not let people like you, boss me around? You need to seek counseling period, because you seem to have a complex and lack of empathy. I’ve already explained to you. You’ve also refused to answer the question. If an escort contacted you, would you be able to get your porkified, tender loins up “however quick you can” and go see the escort? I know what the answer is because whenever I reach out to a client last minute, I usually don’t even get a response back until the next day, or after my window of opportunity has expired. Which is why I am ALWAYS COURTEOUS to contact clients BEFORE I EVEN ARRIVE TO CITY usually. I would never expect them to come right away, simply because I was in a hotel and a client cancelled. It doesn’t matter if you’re a client or I’m an escort. What matters is we both have lives, and a little courtesy and planning goes a long way. Now if you want to fucking get all up the ass and pissy over some logical shit, and start insulting and trying to degrade me, well then that’s on you. That’s your flawed mental process problem, not mine...

You’re right, you are calling an escort and not an ambulance. So asking “how quickly can you get to XYZ address” sounds like you’re having an emergency. You’re not. You’re just putting your needs over the other person, just because you think your “little cash” has priority (your words, not mine). Also it’s not “making a choice” to forgo revenue. It’s already doing something other than vegetating by the line, being unproductive and waiting on someone to schedule. Which is often unpredictable. Now, I don’t mind leaving the gym early or not going at all if I do get a spur of moment appointment. But I can’t drop what I’m doing EVERYTIME that happens. So, what works for me is to simply SPELL IT OUT IN WRITING. Every business that does this type of work does the same. Even when you order catering, they say 24 hours notice. Other times it’s not even a matter of doing other things, it’s not even being given enough time to make something happen. Ask yourself, if an escort hit you up out the blue, how soon would YOU be ready to stop what you’re doing, get in the car and go see them? Just because the transaction is different, doesn’t mean the dynamics are. For an escort who lives downtown in the city, and doesn’t travel, maybe doesn’t have a car and uses Lyft/Uber...10 minutes notice probably works for them. They can see someone in 10 minutes, because everything is close by and it doesn’t take much to plan. But not everyone operates the same.