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In all earnesty, you’ve bought some useful tips and it sounds like you are knowledgeable about the biz. But I don’t see a message coming across pretty clear, other than you disagreeing with certain cities being mostly unreliable for finding reliable clients. It’s not lions and tigers and bears like you mocked earlier, it’s suggestive material that could help other escorts/clients either prepare or avoid certain markets (flaky clients usually mean flaky escorts too). I’ve heard far many times people optimistically traveling to a city with high hopes, only to have them dashed. At the same time, let’s set aside “luck” as I haven’t needed to depend on luck to stay in this line of work for the length of time that I already have. I’m not out here scouring for clients, they’re calling and texting me. I may not be able to explain why certain areas behave a particular way, but I just know from the stats, that it’s facts. You may say your results were different, but I don’t know that. When were they different? 2008, 2010, 2019? Lot of markets have changed since then. Maybe you have a different threshold for flakes than me. I just know my experiences are real, and can’t be discounted. Despite the few good clients who outweigh the flakes in those areas, there’s still many situations I’ve had in certain cities that leave me scratching my head wondering, why would that person do that? If they have an issue with what I do, and express that thru booking an appointment and purposely not showing up, it makes me question what it would be had they shown up.
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A4A is simply another platform. Nothing more or less. The same client looking at Rentmen can also look at a4a. I had it happen just the other day. One guy hit me up on RM, then he told me he seen me on A4A. I also go for very specific clients as well, and am very discerning. But, it doesn’t make a client any different whether he looks at Adam or Rentmen. Obviously a4a isn’t going to be a primary site to find clients, and I don’t blame some people for refraining from using it, but like I said...it’s just another platform. It’s kind of like how Mercedes and Jaguar dealers still advertise on Craigslist, even though majority of craigslist lookers are likely low ballers.
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Ok, you only named 3 east coast cities on the top 10 list...Therefore your experience only covers those areas. So, what are you trying to tell me here? But like I said, don’t get me wrong. Even though Washington DC is on the second list, it’s also one of my favorite and productive destinations. But my latest trip in May 2018 proved to have quite a bit of wind ups, even when I was conveniently staying at the Westin Convention center for 2 days out of the 2 weeks I was there. Previous trips have also included a bit of winding up here and there. I also first dipped into the escort pool in Miami back in 2007/2008. At that time, it was much more productive than it is now. I still go there once every 2-3 years and for the most part....though free sex is plenty to be had, being a gay male escort is a sort of a different scenario. I just know when I was there for a week back in November, people would contact and seem to set up a visit, only to fade into oblivion. With that said, I do find there’s cities where I stand out more, usually are productive.
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Like most holidays, you have to go beyond its current “capitalist” meaning, and go back to its original “Pagan” meanings. Then from there decide if it’s something you wish to abstain from, or celebrate it in a way that suits you. Here’s an example (not my example, just generic) of what someone who’s not into the holidays would and wouldn’t celebrate:
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There’s some things in life that can’t be calculated in averages. There’s only median and means...and factor in a bit of statistics, you might can come to an average. Some things aren’t static.
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If you want to pay me in $USD what I see in a year so I can retire, by all means. But I don’t plan to for now as I still have a good following. But you say you’re in France, wouldn’t you think your experiences would be different there than here in the states? I would love to come to France: Paris, Cologne, Cognac...some Courvoisier here, a little Chanel there. I’m sure they appreciate fine, grown n sexy Black men like ourselves. You also state you had not the best experiences on Adam4Adam. I have had several clients from there. 2 just the other day in one of the cities that aren’t on the lists. Perhaps it’s a case of YRMV.
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Somehow I must have not clarified. A4A is certainly not my main source for clientele. I’ve been with Rentmen since it first started up around 2009, along with RB and M4RN at the time. I was mainly suggesting that A4A is more of a supplementary site to use, but I’m aware that “rates” there have no ebb and flow. I recently stopped my rebill of a4a, simply because sometimes I do take couple months off advertising there. But, I wouldn’t quite write off a4a as “yuck”. I know it’s not a site to actively engage in (I tend to just post my number, and only answer 1 or 2 emails from people who write in a complete sentence...like once a day). However...it comes in handy. Adam4Adam can be good if end up in a city unexpectantly or for short period. Rentmen can take awhile to build up responses because, some cities...it’s the same guys or no guys at all. Men get bored and look at other sites. Adam4Adam keeps people entertained enough, so when a good provider shows up, they may bite. There’s even guys on this forum who use A4A. However, maybe Europe it’s different. A4A more dominant in America. I actually am finding more time wasters are coming from Rentmen now than adam4adam. The rates are better on Rentmen, but the turnover is higher, and you made a good point about the filet mignon analogy. See post regarding the wind up clients. Most of those are ones contacting me from rentmen. Most people on Adam don’t bother texting me unless they’re interested in a service.
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I know this is an old article, but although I’m not a strict dieter, I do find I watch my diet moreso than some of my non-escort friends. I don’t watch carbs, but I try not to overdo bread, snacks, etc. Also...it’s been scientifically proven that sugar is what leads to a lot of weight gain. Everyone is different when it comes to food. Some people can’t do dairy. I can do dairy, but I’ve given up on milk. Some people can’t eat large breakfasts, to me it’s important. I dont do beer or soda much because those give me a full feeling, that’s different from just being full on food. Also, escorts aren’t exactly “fitness models” or “body builders”. We may just happen to be one of those things, but it’s not exactly part of our job description, to be on a restricted diet. I know for me, I may watch my diet more closely around photo shoots and special events (short fasting, water pills etc), but it’s usually temporary. I feel what works for me is 3-4 meals a day, and a good workout/cardio throughout the week.
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As an postscript, I am noticing many cities are on the list, probably wouldn’t have 10 years ago. It makes me wonder, is it becoming a norm in this post craigslist and Grindr era? I say because CL seemed to keep the fantasists busy: Repressed/closeted men could scroll thru, exchange lewd conversations by reply or post ads anonymously and stop responding anytime. Now, the only place to do that is with providers who’s numbers are posted. Then you have Grindr, the Uber/McDonalds of gay sex in which men are essentially using the app mentality to contact escorts, and In between all this madness is the adult providers who I feel we are dealing with a bit of both worlds. I’m also trying to come up with ways to limit my “accessibility” thru texts, without diminishing my prospects. Part of me is considering going on a temporary hiatus, and only accepting clients who book thru a system: part of which may include some sort of upfront payment. However, I know many new clients have stories of being “burned” paying upfront, so there’s some who won’t...regardless of earned reputation. I think the biggest reason for the increase is texting has made us so accessible. I do find asking specific questions, and ensuring I receive specific answers back helps determine who’s more real. But now, people are sending photos of themselves, and still turn out to be flakes. And the ones who seem sketchy, are turning out to be quite legitimate clients. As I get older and more experienced, I’m finding I have lower tolerance. I don’t allow clients “2 or 3 strikes” to flake out. I used to let them do it once or twice, then they’d do right, only to come around and do it again. Now, they have 1 time to flake, and it’s cancel fee or end of relationship. At the same time, I know some clients do come around later...so I try to keep the relationship. If they were truly going to pay but have to cancel, there shouldn’t be an issue leaving a part of what was agreed on. That said, I still like and prefer texting than the call nowadays. Regardless, I still feel I need to do more than what I’m doing to bring some order into it. It’s important to note, all the cities on the list have brought great clients. So its not insinuating all of the cities aren’t worth visiting. Even in Denver, I had gathered new and previous clients on the recent ad run. It’s just the reality of certain cities, and wind ups can detract from the overall outlook. It’s less stressful to go to a city and meet 2 clients with 0 flakes, than to have 4 clients in a city with 20 flakes.
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wind-up to tease, usually with some malice He said he's meet her at 7 o'clock, but after she'd been standing in the rain for an hour she realised it was a wind-up That’s a quick urban dictionary reference. I’ve been compiling a list of cities where I find people have contacted me, but would result in a pattern of either no shows, or people who just contact but never get to the initial settting of the session, e.g. an address. Oftentimes, these aren’t just simply inquiries, but explicit fantasies and even arrangements, that aren’t followed thru. I’ve recently added Denver, as I’d not advertised there for over a year. But a recent advertising in the area over the course of 2 weeks, I was marking off on average 4-6 text pests per week, or about 1 per day. Here’s my top 10 list (though in no particular level): 1. Miami/Ft Lauderdale 2. Denver 3. Nashville (recently evolved wind up city) 4. Tampa/Orlando 5. Jacksonville (notice all the Florida cities?) 6. Atlanta 7. Kansas City 8. Charlotte 9. Columbus, OH 10. San Diego Here’s a list of “could become” OR “have been” wind up cities: 1. Washington, DC 2. Portland, OR 3. Los Angeles 4. Las Vegas 5. Boston 6. Dallas 7. Indianapolis 8. Orlando Here’s a list of redeemed wind up cities (areas that were wind ups, but have shown signs of improvement: 1. Chicago 2. Dallas 3. Raleigh 4. Pittsburgh 5. St. Louis (which I may be relocating to)
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That’s very true. Despite the fact that the word “escort” has pretty much been banned in America, “Rentmen” has been increasing in numbers in cities where there used to only be 10-20 “rentboys”. Dallas for example: In 2008 I still remember there were only 10 guys maybe advertising. A basic bronze ad on rentboy would have a client within1 day. Nowadays, there’s about 40 to 50 rentmen in Dallas. I’m probably one of the few that still dabble in the adam4adam market. For some reason, I can’t seem to stay off of it, but I should mention that a lot of the rate issues seem to come from there. However, you have all sides. There’s still guys there willing to pay deserving prices, but only if one is able to tolerate a regular serving of “that’s a bit too steep for me”, or “I was only thinking of paying $80.” However, sometimes I enjoy explaining to these guys why I can’t charge $80. Because after room and tax, trip costs, etc...$80 can disappear with the swipe of a card. So only way I can charge $80 is to have 2 guys before you, and 2 guys after you. Is that what they want. But for the most part, I don’t expend too much energy responding to those, and prefer those who already understand. However I’m a bit confused about “change your business model”. Elaborate?
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Happy belated/upcoming Holidays/New Year/Valentines/Grammies/Oscars to all. I’ve been away. Now that’s out the way: This is mostly a hypothetical question, but I’m getting the impression that due to rates not really being posted in many places, it’s probably hard for providers and clients to tell what the market is right now. I know for me, every since I turned 30...my rates have been consistently 250-300 in most all markets. I’m open to do 150 for very introductory type of visits. But overnights and longer evening sessions seem to be down at the moment. However, part of me still feels people are contacting with an unrealistic expection of price. There’s still in some markets (Denver, for example despite housing averaging $400,000) , has the annoying “I can spend $100” going around. I try to explain to people, $100 is not sustainable. (though admittedly, this comes from a4a versus the main sites). I’ve been able to create a rate structure that works with majority of the people who contact me, but I wish other sites had a better understanding of why the charge for higher rates. I could hypothetically charge $100/hr and see 10 clients a day and make $1,000. But the issue is, out of those 10, only 1 or 2 may show up. Some people ask for discounts and still don’t show up. When traveling, that’s only $200. And that’s assuming each one doesn’t ask for me to climax, which would ultimately leave me with less to “give” the next client. That’s why I prefer to not see more than 1 to 2 clients a day (though I generally don’t have inclination to see people “per day”, but rather “per week” or “per trip”), maybe 3 if the first is in the morning and the last is in the later evening. That way I don’t have to worry about half-stepping with anyone.
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I find the days leading up to Valentines are in demand, however most years I find the actual day of is a time to spend with friends. I think many people get weird on Valentine’s week. Sappy holidays usually churn up vibes either of certain expectations or completely shutting off. The days around Christmas we’re horrendous for me in Kansas City, string of time wasters. Naturally, I was a bit gun shy about Valentines. But most of the idiots stayed at bay up until the weekend ??♂️
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This is the reason why I pay an online background service (for a small fee, however...nothing like the application fees apartments charge lol). I’ve found all sorts of red flag info on clients, including one in Florida who wasted my time, only to find him in a newspaper article back in mid-2000s for stealing copper pipes from businesses. So it would only make sense that he would call me to waste my time. Every since Craigslist has shut down, all the bored, repressed souls have come out of the shadows. Some are good, many are bad. I’m starting to lean towards not taking any further texts from clients who can’t be verified thru my background service, as many turn out to be jokers. Also the ones who don’t follow directions to contact by phone, and steadily chat on the email, also should get the boot. However, the whole thing is getting bananas. I’ve had to blacklist about a dozen clients over the last week. Some come up with the cancellation fee, most don’t. Far too many text pests clogging up the phone lines, I’ve tried all sorts of methods to exterminate them...but they’re becoming resistant, like MRSA. Time to come up with new measures to repel them.
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You always have something inconsiderate to say, don’t you? http://www.brycelewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/David-goggins-quotes-3-1024x1024.png
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Because you’re being a fucking asshole about it, that’s why. Ignore your damn self.
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Speak for yourself...yet you seem to keep coming to engage. That’s exactly why I can’t come on here and share anything about my doings. I regret it every time. Every time I come on here. All y’all do is criticize, attack, and demean someone and twist shit around to favor your own judgmental bias. I’m out!
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Yes, your mistake. I corrected you. And instead of saying, “ah okay, that’s a different point of view I didn’t consider”, you want to make some ignorant, conceited, self-centered comment about someone bitching. Shut your mother fucking ass up bitch.
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Why, why, why. Why, why why. Why don’t you Shut the f**k UP and mind your own? If you are going to make statements, why not just say something uplifting instead of talking out your f-ing ass and trying to criticize and put down someone? You’re not hearing what I’m saying. You’re misinterpreting what im saying, and trying to insiniuate it to be what you’re thinking. Put your thinking cap on. I’m not SAYING that I wait until an hour and a half to leave. I’m NOT saying that I do other things in between the time of the call and the appointment. What I’m saying is, if I get a call AT A TIME THAT I AM doing something, and that person is in the mindframe of expecting that I can come right away just because they’re ready, then by the time that I finish and get ready for the session, it can easily turn into being that I only have the travel time to spare. Therefore, I’m rushed to arrive to the session. I’ve had to turn down about 3 appointments this week, because they contact at the last minute and expect me to show up at their doorstep within a couple hours. I had one today who contacted to meet. It was almost 6:30 pm. I told him I could meet between 8 and 10 pm. Apparently for him, that would be too late. Well if he really wanted the session right when he got off the plane at his hotel, why couldn’t he plan the session before he got to town? People just need to be realistic with themselves and stop being illogical when it comes to planning things out. Clients here talk about escorts cancelling on them, well I wonder why? Clients don’t always mind our time, why would an escort mind theirs? People nowadays don’t want to wait. It’s always a burden. Common sense would tell someone that if you decide to call an escort out of the blue, expect that that there needs to be a bit of coordination and compromise when it comes down to it. Or expect to get flaked on. I can also understand if a client gets flaked on or catfishes, and decides to contact another provider at the last minute. But even still...don’t put me in a bind, just because another person didn’t live up to your expectations. I’m nobodies last minute backup plan.
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Mocha replied to Walker1's topic in The Lounge
It comes amid claims Japan is set to become EXTINCT as dolls “beat living competition” causing a dramatic plunge in birth rates. That means Toyota, Nissan, Infiniti, Lexus, Mazda and Subaru will cease to exist as we know it in a few years, and American manufacturing for these vehicles will increase I’m just wondering though, what if the doll doesn’t stop as instructed and just fucks the hell out of someone? -
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Exactly, and like I said those hours go by very fast. If I’m wrapping up a gym workout, or checking into a hotel...that can really slow up time as well. Those are also considered “rush hour” times as well. In fucking Orlando, you can easily lose 1 hour of planning time sitting in traffic lights, avoiding/detouring around freak accidents and bullshit during rush hour. I’m glad most of my appointments in Orlando are at night when it somewhat settles down. At the same time, sometimes I can get places faster when I’m traveling because I’m already living out of a suitcase, and already out and about. It’s easier to move around. Plus I have the option to lodge closer to where I need to be for appointments versus being in a fixed location. When I’m at home, I can’t sit around and vegetate and be primed for business 24/7. I have known some escorts to run late and not even say anything, until they show up. I once had a 3 som appointment, I got there first...the lady escort showed up 30 min after, and simply knocked. Client was like, “I didn’t think she was still coming”. I wouldn’t necessarily condone that, but I can see why some escorts wouldn’t bother giving minute by minute updates. What’s the point when 10 minutes away, they’re saying, “get here by 10 or cancel”. Fuck.
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Why do you have to be so fecking condescending ? I just emphasized WHY it requires a lot of planning. And please don’t come with mis-truths. It DOES take planning to arrive somewhere on time even it’s an hour and a half away and I’m not ALWAYS late, otherwise I wouldn’t of seen the 5 clients I’ve seen in the past week. There was 1 previous story about being late...and the reasons for it were assessed 1,000 times. Don’t twist it to make it seem like I’m always late. But if technically I did ALWAYS arrive late, the reasons would be because it’s not like having a 9-5 job where you go to the same place day after day. I’m sure there’s people who drive to DC from Baltimore and vice versa. THE DIFFERENCE IS...they have a SCHEDULE. They’re not getting called the day of asking to go to a new location each time. Plus, it makes a difference when many clients aren’t willing to wait for a later arrival. And don’t make it seem like I’m the only one. If I said I was hosting at a house/hotel an hour+ away and to come to me...most clients wouldn’t even think twice about doing it, so let’s be clear on that. I used to live a measly 6 miles west of downtown in Denver, and clients would occasionally still say I was too far away. But I don’t mind doing it because 250-500... (one guy gave me 400, but he scheduled the day before (initially tried to schedule the day of), and I arrived on time...but he still had to rush and leave within 30 minutes)...is worth an hour drive and back for me. Again, I don’t mind doing it the same day. But what I do mind is when someone says, “well if you don’t get here by X, cancel” and I’ve already driven 50 miles into the trip. That’s why I start to ask them, “I just want to make sure you’re not going cancel if it takes me until X to arrive”.
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