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I can appreciate your explanation of the matter. All I can say is I regret that it happened that way. It does not happen all the time, I normally have a great track record of getting to appointments even long distance without an issue. As per the Las Vegas issue, that was also planned perfectly but got a bit jumbled up. I honestly would have made it on time had I not had a friend with me and had to go through the hotel check in process first (which was my first time in a Las Vegas strip hotel, and learned one can easily lose an hour between parking, check in, and getting to the room). However, last year for Christmas I got to Las Vegas a day early from Phoenix and stayed at the Rio. I had a client scheduled the next day, and wanted to avoid missing it. He cancelled because he never came to town. However, a few years ago I made it to Las Vegas by 4 pm for a two day session with a client. So sometimes, arriving early doesn’t always make a difference either. Some things just don’t work out for some reason with some people. I don’t know if it’s fate or luck or a combination of tight schedules that throws it off. However I do know, unless there’s a specific client I’ve met REGULARLY who is pre-booked...Las Vegas and Florida are the two places where I find something ALWAYS goes wrong with atleast 1 client booked. Then, it’s hard as hell to find another client to make up for it. And that’s exactly what’s been happening. I’ve answered one text and email after the next, and still haven’t had a client since I got back to Florida Saturday night. That’s why I suggested a cancellation fee, simply because even though I didn’t meet the time, I had intent of making it to the appointment and being paid for it. And honestly I would have not come back to Florida so soon, as now I’m without any appointments and has put me in an inconvenient predicament. People may not feel you’re responsible for that, but fact is...there was an expectation. I may not have lived up to the full scale of those expectations, but that doesn’t mean I should get nothing just because you decided to hire someone else. All I can say is, this will certainly make me reconsider doing any out of state travel on the day of an appointment, no matter how many successes I’ve had before (though it’s really variable how early the client wants to meet). I used to live in Denver...and with every major city 500+ miles away, many times I had no choice but to leave on the day of the 1st appointment in a particular city. Whether it was flying or driving. Las Vegas was furthest, but I had someone taking turns driving with me. Unless it’s within the state like 3-4 hours like my client in Key Largo is, I’m just not going to take the risk. Of course that’s going to require getting a hotel the day before, which would make it more necessary to get a deposit.

Like I mentioned earlier, I informed him earlier in the day and gave him the option whether to keep the session or not. He said he would stay up later. I did informed him I was traveling into town, however I remember an escort poster on here (not to draw them into the conversation) stated that it’s not always necessary to share every bit of logistics with a client. And exactly for those reasons stated. Clients don’t always comprehend what we’re doing behind the scenes, but once they know...I’ve found they can either be more accommodating and understanding, or will just cancel right off the bat. I would not have been any more tired or “affected” than he was after a long day himself. He said he was on short sleep. I wasn’t on short sleep. I’ve never had a case where driving even long distance has made me too tired to deliver an appointment. Toward the end of last year, I drove from south Illinois to Michigan (after being up all night driving from elsewhere) in flooding rain, which turned into snow. Not to mention brushing up with Chicago traffic. When I arrived for my overnight client, I fucked before dinner, after dinner and again the next morning. Then, I had another client the next day 30 miles away. The next day I had a client in Cincinnati, and the day after one in Nashville. And drove all the way back to Florida happy that everything worked out. Less than two hours being in Orlando, a client calls at 10:45. I left his place at noon the next day $,$$$ Unfortunately for me and tanman, the end destination time came to late, and it flaked. But that’s how road trips go. Me, Ray Dalton and other escorts have all done the same thing numerous times with success. But It’s devastating when a client isn’t able to wait for us in event shit goes south (or north, east or west depending on direction of travel). Driving does not make me tired! It’s just sitting there doing nothing for hours. It’s less work than sitting on a couch for hours watching CNN. By the time I get out the car, I just want to do something! Usually sexual in nature. Plus I can watch porn on the dvd along the way. Why do you think porn shops are often along desolate stretches of highway? All the horny truckers who have been driving for days on end...

Makes sense. But again, that’s comparing a dentist office to a place that has a staff of people who can serve one person (despite them also serving multiple people at once). The emails the client was sending me would never reach me. They’d go to my receptionist. The call I made to him informing of the delay? Never would have been made by me. My receptionist. He would never get to talk to me until I arrived to the hotel. Or not. Not to mention, they’re just at the office. That’s like me sitting at home. Sure, just come on over. But see how long it would take if that same dentist was doing housecalls. And let’s not talk about hospitals. I’ve seen people writhing in pain in the waiting room, yet business carries on as usual. They can may for 30 minutes, or two hours. Whats more annoying about this, is even though there could be 50 million things I could have done differently, what about the times it is done perfectly and still falls thru? On 2 other occasions over the past week, appointments were cancelled despite the fact that I wouldn’t have had to drive nearly as far and would have made it on time. Matter of fact, that’s the 2nd Saturday appointment cancelled. The one prior was my client in up North, but he simply rescheduled for June elsewhere and left me a cancellation fee. The other was a client in Florida who I’m supposed to be seeing today, but his schedule changed. He’s not paid the cancel fee. Again it’s not to make excuses for anything, but ultimately there’s only so much in my control. When 1 person backs out of a plan for any reason, they become the reason it doesn’t work out. The other person shouldn’t be left hanging though.

Exactly. Their perspective. But people need to understand it’s not Burger King, you can’t always have it your way. I had a friend today compare my situation to a burger at McDonald’s, and how if someone wants a burger now they should have it now. I immediately stopped him. I hate when people compare escort work to something cheap and fast, or to a place that has a staff of people to serve one customer. I’m just 1 fucking person! I’ve worked in fast food. It takes 30 seconds or less to get a burger out when you have 3 people handling it. How about, building a home. Do they ever get completed at the exact time and day listed? No. Does the realtor get the house sold exactly in 30 days, and if not gets cancelled? What about if someone was delivering cattle to a farm? I’ve been on farms and seen where ranchers get delayed because 1 stubborn heifer refuses to follow the herd. What about concerts? Have not a performer ever had to keep fans waiting due a delay of sorts? Once people understand escorts aren’t pizza or hamburgers, maybe they’ll prepare themselves a bit more in case things don’t go exactly as anticipated. That’s not to negate the consideration of a client’s time. But you wouldn’t tell the UPS man to not deliver your package just because it was a couple hours late, it makes sense just the same for us.

You lived in Tennessee? I had no idea. So you can relate. I mean as far as the cancellation fee, I pretty much can just echo what I stated above. I don’t disagree with you, it’s just I stand by how I view the situation. But absolutely, bragging was unnecessary. I won’t go any further than what you said, because I could not have said it better. Going forward, I feel like starting today I won’t be going anywhere else to see anyone again outside of whatevr metro area or line of travel I’m in, without a deposit. I mean hell, couple weeks ago a client put cash in my account for deposit. Even today, someone wanted to see me in Tampa AND for me to host. I’m in Orlando. I said by appointment with deposit only. Of course he cancelled anyway because I wouldn’t agree to fuck him bareback. Sorry, I just got tested. So I can say the main blame I can take on all of this, is not getting the deposit. I’m over it.

I want to clarify something: There’s a difference between an escort who doesn’t travel/tour, and one who travel/tours regularly. An escort who’s home, does it on the side or only works locally...would likely expect all of his fee and transportation up front if he has to see a client in a different city. He’s not wanting to travel and work a city or several cities, he’s going for 1 particular client. Hence, it makes sense to have everything paid up. Problem with that is, that may happen only once in awhile. Whereas an escort who is on “tour” or travels as main part of their schedule, is traveling to many cities at a time. One could collect deposits before they go to every city, but that obligates one to be there and can make things dicey (-Karsin Knightly). Plus not everyone is willing to pay it. Problem with that is, when situations like I described happen...that can put an escort in a very bad predicament. If I wasn’t home, I’d have to turn right back around the next day and leave Florida. Why? Because just today another client cancelled. But not my fault. That appointment was scheduled for tomorrow. I’m already here. So now, it doesn’t even matter whether I’m late or on time, if a client decides to cancel an important meet, they should take partial responsibility for it regardless. Yes it my fault, but it’s his fault too. 50/50. But why should I not get paid anything? I told the client it’s like an airline or mail delivery. You don’t get refunded just because your package was delivered at 6 pm instead of 1 pm when you needed it. You may not even get refunded even if the delivery came the next day later than expected (don’t quote me, but I know UPS, FEDEX and USPS have their own guidelines). You don’t get to cancel and be refunded a flight just because you landed late, due to unforeseen circumstances on the flight’s end.

That's generally what I do, but I let client appointments kind of determine when and where. I don't like to just blindly go places without appointments, because then it just becomes a speculation. This overall trip was congruent with me getting back, but I would have probably went a different route. 1. The time zone change is at the panhandle. Tennessee is the same way, and I hated that because a 2.5 hours drive to Knoxville can turned into 4 when you lose an hour. You'd think 1 extra hour wouldn't make much difference, it does. If you lose an hour, can end up very late. If there's no change, could be perfectly on time. If you gain an hour, you can get earlier than expected. 2. What am I supposed to be, not upset? Especially considering the fact that he claims to have hired someone who "showed up at the same time I texted I could arrive". So he could have just waited regardless for me to show up. I don't feel I deserve to be cancelled just because it takes longer time to get somewhere. It's not like I was lolligagging and killing time. I'm just doing what I was asked to do. Some guys get bent and upset because you don't do things exactly when and how they want to do it. The situation could have easily been mitigated. I offered a pro-rated overnight...I offered meeting Sunday. I would have made due anytime from Saturday night til he left Monday. But he was busy/tired. That's outside of my realm of control. He wasn't busy/tired because he waited for me, he was busy/tired because he had come to town for other business. Now that’s the ultimate foul lol.

Lol, well that was described to me by someone else. Let’s just say, I’ll be careful where I wear my favorite fashion joggers going forward. Or not

So you guys ended up meeting again? The client certainly made reasonable accommodations, but they were within the time that accommodated him. Events like this have caused me to get anxiety in the past, to where I end up not even going on a trip. I try not to do that, but if a client is likely to not have enough window of time...or I end up jammed myself the night before, I won’t go. I also try to avoid traveling the day of the appointment, but that’s not always possible. With Milwaukee couple weeks ago, I arrived the night before the appointment. The next day of course, it was snowing 3 inches per hour. So I was prepared and left 6 hours of travel time just for 90 miles. If I could just stay in one place, and just watch the clients come to town, that’d be great. But in a place like Florida where there’s so much flaking and standing up going on a weekly basis, I usually don’t stay here more than a few weeks if I’m to make any long term money goals for myself.

Thank you, I'm waiting as well....Maybe in May

First and foremost, I don't intend to shame or blame the subject at hand. Also, the title/topic of this post has changed. Whether the person wishes to respond is not up to me. However, I do want to share and perhaps get others viewpoint on how they would handle it. In a nutshell: I had a client who scheduled me in advance for an evening about 2-3 weeks ago in my home city. Very courteous and planned ahead. I had previously met him in another city awhile ago, so knew he was genuine. I did inform him that I would be going out of the area in between the time he arrived, but that I would expect to have returned by the weekend he was here. In fact, I put plans in place to ensure I would be here the weekend for the session, which we scheduled for Saturday. Now, when I travel, I rarely do airlines. I have never found flying to be comfortable or profitable for me. I own 2 reliable vehicles, one for local and the other travel. I'm usually away anywhere from 2 weeks to a month on most trips. So that alone, may make me different from how some other escorts travel. Client also sent me a long, detailed email describing the ideal fantasy, a couple of days prior to meeting. I thanked him, but said I'd need to read it later because I was traveling when he sent it. Oftentimes I get information overload when trying to drive, read texts and emails all while trying to make it to appointments ON TIME. Fast forward to last night: the appointment got cancelled an hour and a half before I arrived to his place. Despite me making all necessary concessions to ensure I was in tip top shape, I was not able to fit into HIS desired schedule. The day before the trip; I got a fresh haircut, worked out, even got in my full quarterly STD screening. Everything was looking on point, and on schedule. Unfortunently, I expected on a Saturday to not have to deal with too much traffic. WRONG! There were 3 different delays all along the way. Each delay added more and more time to my arrival. I clocked on several apps, the trip was going to only take 9 hours (which may seem long, but it's easier for me than sitting 9 hours in front of a computer or standing in front of a cash register). I left myself with about 3 hours buffer time. Then, I lost an hour going east as Florida is split into 2 time zones. It ultimately made me only 1 hour later than we moved it to, but 3 hours later than the original time. I took responsibility for underestimating the time it would take to arrive. I had communicated with him both before and during commute, suggesting to move it back a couple hours or to Sunday, and at first he said it would be too late but then he agreed to stay up at a later time for me. That wasn't the case. He instead informed (gloated) me that he chose to contact another escort from Rentmen, who ironically arrived AT THE SAME LATE TIME that I would have arrived and had awesome sex. So he could have just waited for me to arrive, instead he decided to call someone else. That's the ultimate foul. That's like booking and waiting for a specific barber, but then getting a haircut from an available one in the same shop just because "you couldn't wait". Needless to say, I was devastated and upset. He was upset at me, but he didn't have to do anything except chill at his hotel room til I got there. I blamed myself for not leaving the night before, which would have meant getting less sleep. Or not driving faster (though I'd of probably ended up with a ticket or in jail considering my car can go 160 mph). But that would have been unnecessary and dangerous, especially considering the client wouldn't give me $49,000 for a new car if it ended up in a tree. I even regretted taking the visit at all, because I didn’t feel confident he would be willing to wait, in the event things took longer. I have contacted this client for a cancellation fee, but he has not responded. I also feel not all the blame lies on me. I was arriving on a Saturday night. He was in town until Monday. I understand his expectation of timely arrival, but I feel like I was made to look inconsiderate just because I didn't fit his window of time. But fact is, I would have arrived. He chose to not wait on me, instead contacted someone else who arrived just as late anyway. This is an ominous reality of what happens whenever I come to Florida. It never fails. On every return, something ends up happening which causes atleast 1 client to cancel, leaving me high and dry and sours my whole day. Too many options of men, and people trying to do other things and fit an escort into the mix. The past 2 weeks I've been out of Florida, I've made it to every appointment without a hitch. I even drove during a snowstorm in Milwaukee, and even though I couldn’t meet when he decided to be available earlier, I still arrived at our pre-set time. Soon as I get back to Florida, this happens.

Where'd ya get that from?? Lol

I also noticed a company who made my business cards...is also based in the Netherlands. Which is good because they have no restrictions or censors on what you can advertise. I don't even think they look at them...

Those might be worth some antique status. I have magazines from circa 2002 from New York that had full blown escort ads. Very simple, just a name, title and rates/phone number. I think one guy from the ad is still in business. But like I say, I want to make sure it goes to the right people. And I think there's some places that are pretty good icebreakers. At the same time, I just can't help the fact that I keep getting chatted up in public by guys. And apparently, according to one of my clients, my hooha was hanging out, which prompted one of the customers of HIS store to have a long drawn out conversation with me. At the same time, it can be hard. Sometimes a guy will seem to be giving off vibes, but they end up being straight. Or, they seem straight and in fact are "straight"...and end up calling me. With Craigslist gone, this is really going to "PUSH" people to make connections out in public. Ain't no time like the present to have something to take it from small talk to full blown fucking. With common sense, of course. We don't need to be regressing back to park and bathroom stalls encounters.

Hello there...just to be sure Jamal and Jamahl are two different people Anyhow, sounds interesting enough and like you've got the right branding for the most part. At the same time, you offer what you offer and those who are interested will go for it. Considering it may be a niche audience, you may want to be flexible on the length of time. 2 hours may be a bit much for some, but could be desired by others. At the same time, there's definitely a market for it. Personally, I've experience with the BDSM sessions. However, I tend to be more open to it when an already met client requests it. I generally prefer regular sex, but if it degrades to dungeon activities at some point, I'm willing.

Oh gawd no. Don’t underestimate the Adam4adam. It’s one of the longest running, most consistent sites out. The fact that i still regularly pull clients from there speaks volumes. But actually, for awhile that had dropped off and I would stop using it for a 2-3 months. But, that was in Denver...a place that’s kinda annoying when comes to business anyway. I just don’t want them to continue falling into this censor train. At the same time, it’s not for the faint at heart. Don’t take it personal if out of 500 messages, you get 1 or 2 real clients. Madison Wisconsin is BAD for that. Then after a week, nobody hits you up. I think right now it’s been slow due to April 18th. Not everyone owed, but I’m definitely noticing a drop off since coming out of March. Always some fucking holiday slowing shit up. Easter. St. Patrick’s. Oh, well there’s no holidays until Menorial Day. Let’s throw in TAX day. Tomorrow is Arbor Day, where’s the hype for it?

Adam4adam...business cards. Refer to my thread

I’m just doing the phone auto template with rates. Just as effective. They’ve removed and edited mine. Also adam4adam keeps cropping out photos showing anything underwear or less. But just checked pros in Chicago, there’s still dicks and asses hanging out. So it’s like, they aren’t going one by one, but the new edits that come in are being censored. Fucking stupid. FACK!

It’s always good to cite such claims. Gives it just a little more clout.

If you’re a bottom, it’s pretty straight forward:

Thanks, you make some good points. By the way, I do have a premium rentmen ad...with nearly 20 reviews. However, and not be a downer: There’s some parts I can’t say I agree with. I don’t feel it’s genuine or necessary to shower a client with compliments. Most clients are aware that they are getting someone from a different caliber than they are. I feel saying something like “you’re just my type” may confuse the client to where on future meets, he may wonder why not just start having sex for free (trust me, I’ve had it suggested more than once). Then, they get upset and move on. Not a good thing. You can be nice and cordial, but don’t lead them on either. I recently had to let go of a regular client, because he was getting too into it. Talking about dates and relationships and settling down for a job...basically leave his wife and be with me. I was not into him that way, and I would have felt shitty if I had pretended he was my dream man...only to tell him I’m not looking to be in a relationship with him. Also, the titles sound good...but that’s not what I’m offering. I don’t do yoga, I’m not personal training someone, etc. I don’t want to trick people into thinking I’m doing something else. I want it ambiguous, but I don’t want to lie either. Because if the person ends up accepting the card and calling back, I’m going to have to live up to that. It would seem like trying to flip the script and announce what I’m really intending to do, could create issues. But I’m just speaking generally. The couch pic is a good idea, I am now reconsidering having anything remotely suggestive pictured. But I like I say, I don’t expect to randomly hand them out...I may not even hand them out much at all. May just flash it, see if they are interested and THEN if they want my number, I’ll give it to them.

Exactly, hence what I said earlier. I wouldn’t recommend using any title which requires a license, even if I have said license. I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t expect a licensed chiropractor (which I’ve learned in the medical world of things, aren’t always considered a ‘doctor’ doctor despite the requirements) to also provide escort services on the side.

I had the website, and can re-open it. But I got tired of trying to keep it updated and felt redundant. And the platform I was using was a bit of work. Plus there’s the getting people to the site. I used to be able to do well with that with backpage and Craig’s, but now that those are off...I can’t see the full point of having a website. With rentmen, you can pretty much put everything out there now anyway. Videos, interviews, reviews etc. Exchanging is numbers is okay at the club or bar when the interest is obvious, but I feel like random out and about meets might need something more ambiguous and less forward. That way it gives them the opportunity to contact me, or not.

Makes sense, however I was more referring to escorts and their business cards. I know for awhile rentboy was selling some expensive ones back in the day with their logo on it for the escort to display.

That's the difference. We don't need to try to "find" clients, especially in a bar. They're finding us. That's why in my other thread, I discussed business cards as a way of moving things offline a bit. But I'm not looking to hand them out, I'm only using it as a supplement once they seem interested enough to FIND OUT about me. It's kind of like on adam4adam or the former gay.com. I don't go hitting up profiles looking for clients. I allow someone to hit me up. And usually it doesn't take long. Occasionally I'll send a wink if someone looks at me, but I have to be really killing time. Drawing clients attention is not a 1 and done answer process. What works for one, may not work for another. What worked last year may not work this year. Theres always room for improvement.