peterhung85

...Years ago, redneck tourists would venture into the Castro to gawk and sneer in disgust at same-sex couples touching and kissing in public...

Or simply because they were curious and they camouflaged it with such behavior

If an escort advertises the boyfriend experience and the time includes going out for a meal etc. would hand holding in public be okay?

As others have pointed out before, it highly depends on the escort. Every scenario is different, so does the tolerance in every city, therefore the best advice I can give you is to reach out to the escort of your choice and discuss this in advance, that way there will be no misunderstandings or uncomfortable situations. Hope you enjoy your time!

This morning I was aroused to here two guys in my neighboring hotel room going at it loud, hot, and heavy. While giving me a raging hard-on, I so wished I could have joined in on the fun! I did peek at them when they walked past my room through my peephole when they left their room and they were both buff, rugged studs who appeared nearly half my age.

 

Lots of thoughts ran into my mind while I was listening to them having sex. Should I pound on the wall when they're clearly busy? Should I knock on their hotel room door? Should I call their hotel room phone? Any of those could have caused a vast array of different possibilities, although since most would have resulted probably in bad ones, I let them be and enjoyed myself alone.

Although I don't have a solution for your question, I must admit that would turn me on as well

Thank you Gentlemen... but you know what they say... "It takes two to tango!"

I'm hiring my first escort today, and I'm very nervous. I feel like everything bad that can happen will. I made my size clear to the escort and he says he finds skinny and fat guys easier to deal with than muscle guys.

 

How often do fat guys approach you, and how do you handle it? Are they usually shy, embarrassed? Are you ok with them as long as they're clean, or would you turn them away?

I never really cared much about a person's weight. I have my own bottom line which has nothing to do with stats.

- Proper demeanor

- Great hygiene

- Safe play

.... then I am all-in and a fun time is guaranteed!

Hope your session turned out well!

Congratulations and welcome to the club!

Not quuuuuuuiiiiiiittttttttteeeeee what I had in mind. lol

Huh... OK. I guess we can't be liked by everybody... no hard feelings!

If you want an "uncommon reality" for brothers, this combo is something I could heartily recommend when you come to Vegas:

https://rent.men/CarlPornStar

https://rent.men/peterhung

I am pretty sure you could make it happen for $1k! We are in!

I don’t care about proving it in court any more. Haven’t you read this thread? Whatever we all say or whatever paper evidence we bring seems irrelevant, jurors can just claim to read our minds and say our intent was prostitution and lock us up, so why fucking bother?

It is okay brother, take it easy...

Yes verbal contracts exists. And they don’t include everyone’s name. Every time you buy a coffee at Starbucks you enter a sales contract of goods (coffee) and services (making it right for you).

 

These rarely get disputed in court, because they are not important enough, but when they are disputed, they are still enforceable.

 

It is not what lawyers recommend though, for obvious reasons.

 

See here: https://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/business-contracts-forms/what-contracts-are-required-to-be-in-writing.html

Well... exactly. So how on Earth would you prove that in court then? What's the point? It is your word against his that there was a verbal contract.... ?!

It is up to the client. And if it not written down, just a verbal agreement, you don’t have to give any more info than you do now.

I don't get this... you said you would do an NDA with a client so he pays for you not talking about the encounter and that would make it all legal. A contract has at the very least your full legal name (if not more). So how is it not giving more information than I do now? Because I certainly don't give out my full name to anyone .... just trying to understand the point you were trying to make...

Very nice. I think it might if the Trump case as stated by Giuliani is accepted and Trump doesn’t get into trouble for paying her.

We could even draft a standard contract that would be based on this premise. And use it every single time! Then this business is suddenly legal!

Seriously? You would be comfortable giving out your personal information to every client to make your operation "fully legal"? As you know, such contract is full of with your personal information.... I don't think that's a wise move, but for each of its own...

Nevada isn't a country...

 

Again. Cute.

On top of that I am based in Las Vegas, Nevada and I never heard that it was legal here... Maybe I should change my marketing entirely now that I know that it is....NOT!

You are known as the poster child for thoughtful entrepreneur. And I am known as super serious. Is there any surprise here?

 

I took your question as a joke. But it is still an excellent serious question.

 

But on a really serious note, it just pisses me off to no end that I don't get the word "hung" in my name. So don't push it.

Don't know who you have been talking to but they are.... RIGHT!

Anyway... we may not need a union leader but we can certainly form a board of director of Escorts where we pick one household name from every big metropolitan city and decide on these intriguing topics :D:D:D

*Sad face*

Yes, I know I left out the next bit: (if it happens, great but not a priority anymore).

Well, acquiring new clientele has not been my priority for the past year or so, but that does not mean that I don't welcome them with open arms (and legs ).

Thank you for saying this, for several reasons. A huge chunk of consumers value discretion and privacy above just about anything else. And that's not about anything they do being illegal. For many, it's simply about being Gay. They are older, it was before we won the culture wars, and they don't want to be out. Or they are bisexual and married. That's one of the most valuable tools of law enforcement. The overt or implicit threat is we will out you, and make you look like a filthy creep.

 

That has several implications here.

 

One implication is - hate to say - you actually confirmed the OP's logic. For some providers and consumers a "less is more" approach could make lots of sense, where you drop out of the market - or the online market dumps you, because there is a holy war going on against national websites that create any type of consensual market for - egads! -sex. Bars or cruises (or colored handkerchiefs) are an obvious alternative, but not everyone wants to go back to the future. So, to piggyback your word, the government just created a supply shock, and in that environment some providers and consumers might decide there is a "premium" on certain things - like discretion and anonymity. That's their business, if they choose.

 

When I read the OP's post, it was clear - he made it clear - that this originated from the female side of the market, which is most of the market. Women (and children) are the ones the cops and advocates will hold up as victims. Female escorts always have and always will be the lead players in the escort community in any political organizing, like past efforts to decriminalize or future efforts to fight FOSTA. (That's basically true for anything. If you want to organize for same sex marriage, the stereotype was that you should organize lesbians).

 

The "Gay" part of the equation is significant here. For some people it means doubling down on the stigma of it all. They want their relationships with Gay escorts to be discreet. That's both because of the Gay part, and the escort part. Other Gay consumers are perfectly happy to dive in the pool publicly with escorts - naked even. If you don't believe me, I promise to take pictures of it this weekend.

 

That has organizing implications. This isn't a thread primarily about organizing, but I keep running all this through both my entrepreneur filter, and my organizer filter. I bring it up because this gives us a way to fight FOSTA that the female escort community doesn't have. As soon as you say Gay - at least to a liberal Democrat - you are now considered to be a minority deserving of compassion and protection, not a creep. So while it's important to understand that many people reading this would have no interest in saying a peep in public about their relationships with Gay escorts, it's also realistic to think others would be willing to, if they thought it might make a difference.

 

Escorting is built around local markets. There's a reason why when you go to any website like Backpage or Craiglist the first thing you do is click on a local market area. That right there is an empowerment tool for us, I think.

 

When I started escorting in Portland there was - and from what I can see there still is - a relatively small local market of escorts. I knew most other providers anyways, in several cases before I became a provider. FOSTA puts a premium on this way of thinking. I posted the DOJ letter earlier in this thread. It as much as says that if you want to fly under the FOSTA radar and not end up in the net, get a cell phone and use it. Avoid national websites. I think one impact it will have is put an emphasis back on local markets. And, sorry, traffickers will be all over Facebook and other websites, and so will escorts. Twitter is already banning accounts that sound too much like you're selling something you shouldn't be selling. People will figure out how to work around that. This will be like Prohibition. We'll play endless whack a mole, with all kinds of broad collateral damage to the Web and freedom of speech. I think that will gradually undercut public support for a misguided holy war.

 

Meanwhile, we ought to be thinking about how to use local markets to our advantage, both as providers and consumers. That was part of the spirit of the OP's proposal that I very much liked, even though it was not a unifying way to say it.

 

 

 

That's easy. Nobody.

 

The word I like for escorts is entrepreneurs. Most ones I know tend to be most concerned about running a small personal service business. It does not lend itself to organizing. So it makes sense to me that discussions about resisting FOSTA should play to the strengths of escorts, by first and foremost building around escorts' natural entrepreneurial skills. (The OP's proposal was a clear attempt to do that, like it or not). Part of my argument is that escorts and providers can use local markets to, at the very least, ride out the storm. At best, they can use them to undermine a misguided law. Note that the OP started out by talking about the Houston market. That makes sense to me. What happens in Houston should probably be different than what happens in San Francisco or Palm Springs , where maybe at some point opening a public debate about decriminalization makes sense.

 

We should be thinking about how to build various kinds of economic and political fortresses, locally. Time to put our thinking caps on. (Sorry, I know y'all prefer being naked. Just deal with it, okay?)

 

Here's another thing about local markets. A different way of saying that we are organized in local markets is saying we are organized in almost every Congressional district of the US. When it comes to FOSTA, that matters a lot. In my lifetime I'm met with lots and lots of elected officials, and also with my share of erected officials. Most escorts I know are more likely to have met a public official as an escort in private than as a citizen or advocate in public. So in that sense I know I'm a bit of a freak. But we are actually organized in the same way cops are. And my guess is that we actually outnumber cops - especially if "us" means both providers and consumers. But cops are very good at intimidating us, and we generally let them do it.

 

So there are other elements about local markets here that just make sense to me, that we ought to be thinking about. One of the main opponents of FOSTA, who I won't name because these are all searchable data bases, single-handedly helped me get a $200,000 grant for a project I organized a few decades ago. I organized a meeting in a church in which hundreds of people applauded while he announced a program to help them. One of his Congressional colleagues was also in that packed church, not as an elected official but as one of the advocates, who I'd organized to be there. So the idea of sitting down with these people to talk about the local implications of this misguided law in their state or district doesn't bother me at all. It makes total sense. Granted, it would be weird to now be addressing them as an escort. But it would also be fun. And I'd only want to do it if someone else in the room was from the ACLU, who talked about freedom of speech, and someone else in the room was from an LGBTQ organization, who talked about how Gay men who use these websites are not sex traffickers. They are your constituents, and they vote for you.

 

That's a form of cartel that I could see making a big difference, and that I'd very much like to be a part of - in Portland, or anywhere.

 

Back to where I started, HotWhiteThirties is absolutely right that discretion and privacy is a premium, and that is a reality anything we do should be grounded in. We can use that to our advantage as well, I think. I think most politicians know that most people don't want to actually get involved in politics. So if you go have an honest discussion with them about how an important part of your constituency doesn't much like this law, and thinks it will do more harm than good, they kind of figure out without actually having to be told that it could cost them either votes or campaign contributions, or both, and they tend to listen and at least take you seriously.

I love how you get into a super serious discussion when it was clearly intended to be a joke :D:D

Intriguing notion indeed, however I am sure that this was geared more towards the female providers rather than men. I know that nothing prohibits from male providers to implement such tactic and at the end of the day it is about supply & demand.

Even if I decide to join this movement, I would never raise my rates for my regulars who have been "faithful" (pardon the pun) to me for the past 5-8 years and currently represent over 90% of my income. I just couldn't do that to them. Not on financial, moral or ethical grounds. I owe them a tremendous amount of gratitude!

While I don't necessarily agree with the exact amount of $100 because some who have charged $150 until now vs. $250 that extra $100 can't be applied properly to all (I still think that was more of a notion for female providers), I would consider joining the movement and agree with SOME points @BlakeBenz and @FTM Zachary Prince raised in the beginning of this topic. Raising rates would not really "cost me" mostly due to the fact that keeping my regulars is my #1 priority and I no longer actively solicit for new clientele (if it happens, great but not a priority anymore) and as a "veteran" in this industry (yet still young man) it is important to share our views and discuss concerns in an open forum like Daddy's.

...but the real question now is: Who is our union leader?

I know nothing about the Dark Web and I am not internet savvy. So educate me.

 

Here's the first article I got when I Googled Tor:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/how-to-access-the-dark-web-a7047041.html

 

So they kept mentioning Silk Road. And I kept thinking, isn't that the site they shut down?

 

"Shut down by the FBI in October 2013. Silk Road 2.0 shut down by FBI and Europol on 6 November 2014. Silk Road 3.0 went offline in 2017 due to loss of funds. Silk Road was an online black market and the first modern darknet market, best known as a platform for selling illegal drugs."

 

 

I'm an advocate of the "hiding in plain sight" option. If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. There's a First Amendment and freedom of speech. Engaging in freedom of speech is not doing anything wrong. If you go to the Dark Web, it seems like it could in itself be perceived as a smoking gun, which suggests you do have something to hide.

 

The article I hyperlinked says this: "The Dark Web positions itself as an almost lawless digital space where nearly anything goes. While you can find places on these sites in which real content and discussions are being had, things can get unsettling. Despite this, the Dark Web is important because it provides privacy and anonymity to users around the world."

 

I bold-faced "almost" because obviously it wasn't really lawless, or Silk Road would not have been seized.

 

I get the fact that it might have a particular appeal to those who place a high premium on the idea of privacy and personal liberty. But is there any reason to think that if I can access it, the government can't, too? If anything, I would think and hope they spend more time trying to infiltrate questionable websites on the Dark Web than they do on the "normal" Web???

I think comparing Daddy's Forum with Silk Road is not even remotely in the same category so I won't even get into the comparison and explanation of what the differences are here ))

The discussion was more geared towards what a safer option (for both users and the person who provides the platform /Daddy/) would be.

You don't need to be tech savvy to access a site on Tor. Download the program (which is just another web browser) and enter the site address that can only be accessed while using that particular browser. Voila. That's all!

I don't think Daddy would want to go through all the "First amendment speech" with the Feds... and I don't think that if you were Daddy that you would want to either. You can be the righteous one in the room but IS IT WORTH IT?

Open a new forum / platform using Tor

 

0.02$

Yes, exactly. It does not require a whole lot of new skills to acquire for most people to learn how to use such "new technology" and Daddy could sleep without any worries. Everybody just bookmarks the new onion link and problem solved!

Daddy is tech-savvy, so it should not cause much of a headache to him anyway... completely agree!

This was a really funny topic, thanks for posting!

I give voice lessons. Perhaps we should barter services. Perhaps a barbershop trio to monetize your singing: you me and Tristan (or a quartet if we can whipped guy to sing lead).

... the only ending that was missing was to form an act and call it "Naked boys singing - Part deux"

I still think that I will stick with my regular job, but I am always up for some branstorming, especially if it gets my creative juices flowing

I must admit, though Mr. Hung is very talented in so many ways, I have never heard his singing voice. (My recollection is that Alec Andrews actually had the voice of an angel, often singing sweetly in my ear as we cuddled afterward!) Still, @whipped guy, your comment brought to mind just how angelic Peter always looks when he smiles! :)

 

TruHart1

Be glad! The best way to monetize my singing would be to put a sign in my neck that says "I stop singing for a dollar" ... that should say it all!

Why do I think that there is a double entendre or some sort of a pun built into that phrase and especially the "TB"D portion! Perhaps @mike carey is on to something!

I don't know gentlemen, I can't do anything about people's dirty minds and what they read into things

Thank you all for the positive comments. Truth be told..(and not just the reviewer LOL...)...not much will be changing...will still be touring just as much, it's just that 'home base' on the weekends will be Vegas instead of Connecticut. So, instead of videos of me splitting wood going on twitter with my free time, maybe I'll actually have time to enjoy a life a bit out there? Or maybe I'm like a jedi apprentice moving to Vegas to have a Jedi Master like @peterhung85 teach me! =)

 

I've seen so many UNRELIABLE, awful, unnamed escorts do well in Vegas...that I can't even imagine that someone worth their salt will do. We shall see!

 

Thanks again to all of you, and if you find yourself out this way...all your support over the years will pay dividends in spades.

 

Jordan.

Hahaha... we have yet to meet but you are already cracking me up!

Hope to interact in person at some point in the near future...

... and of course the "level of interaction" is TBD!

Welcome in the neighborhood!