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The only thing I’d add is one can be surprised how economics can change for the most experienced providers when their night comes to an end and they stare at their takings for the day / week / month

Bizarrely I’ve been asked once or twice when finalizing details on online dating apps to confirm I’m not charging … I’ll take that as a compliment

Apparently the flushing and Roosevelt Ave ones were popular pit stops for cabin crew from JFK and La Guardia between shifts - without having to come all the way into Manhattan

I wonder if the one on Wall Street itself was a place to get deals done!

Just curious, based on reading between the lines on comments I’ve heard every now and then … Do you (a provider) ever hire another provider? (1-on-1)

I have heard given the room for negotiation that some providers like, if they are based in the US where it’s less expected to publish rates, many prefer not to

Don’t know him, but to be fair, he may have already had it and thought that made him immune (as many did at that time)

Well if looking to hook up (ie for free) he may have more selective criteria for a meet. And providers are often lurking in the online dating apps with the link to their RM site ready to go if one doesn’t get the hint in the back and forth on what they’re really there for.

These were all gone by the time I first visited NY … hence my original point about people then referring to the old glory days.

I don’t negotiate (unless it’s about extra time or something once initial appointment is underway). However I’ve found a polite no after a high quote is often followed by the request for a negotiation or the offer of a discount. My favorite recent one: - starts at $500 (around 10am) - my “no” is followed by a series of “i Know my worth, I have no problem finding quality clients who have the means etc” - goes down to $350 (around 2pm) - goes down to $250 (around 8pm) - text in the middle of the night, “I really need this appointment and think so do you, $150 if you can get here in the next hour”

Reminded me of a bizarre experience: As a provider takes me up to his hotel room he asks “do you like groups?” And while opening door the I see he has a friend there … I say I’m not donating more than agreed and I’m told the other guy is free as they’re sharing a room and it’s late and he has nowhere else to go. I ran out claiming I felt ill and it was nothing to do with them (my gut said this was weird and scary so get out without angering them). I got abusive texts the whole night saying I owed him double the amount discussed (for 2 people).

Challenge accepted Didn’t know the names of the venues but had a mental picture in my earlier post. Here are some random references from a quick internet search. 1. Wall Street Sauna https://gaycitynews.com/wall-street-sauna-shuttered/ 2. Mount Morris Baths (Harlem) https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/nyregion/mount-morris-journal-a-gay-bathhouse-in-harlem-hey-it-s-no-secret.html 3. Northern Men’s Sauna (Flushing) https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/saunas/northamerica/usa/newyork/nyc/12493_Northern Men's Sauna 4. El Mirage on East Houston https://www.villagevoice.com/2005/11/29/ny-mirror-456/ Roosevelt Ave and Times Sq will need more research … a friend I asked about them after I was drawing a blank said the TSQ location was actually closer to Herald Square / west 30s. And the one I called Roosevelt Ave was actually on one of the large cross streets.

Don’t know anything about those on your list but I note they are mostly “versatile” or “versatile top”. I’m sure I’ve seen several discussions on this subject here so apologies to those who don’t like repeats, but given what you say is your criteria aren’t you better off filtering for someone who describes himself only as “top”?

I’ve been told some providers have closer relationships to RM admin and therefore can get stuff they don’t like about them taken down - but this may have been a veiled threat not to leave a bad review

I just did a quick search on customer reviews … apparently difficult to resolve any problems and you can never get hold of anyone, very long wait times on phone and for email query responses, maybe they can offer higher interest only by having minimal infrastructure

Ha I think it would have been double digits then this is mid / late 2000s let’s see from memory: 1. west side club 2. east side (the one we’re talking about in the thread) 3.Harlem, 4. flushing, 5. Roosevelt av, 6. Wall Street, 7. el mirage or something like that on Houston 8. somewhere near Times Square I didn’t say they were good and I certainly didn’t experience them all - but they’d always be listed in the magazines (remember hard copy) available to promote events I have a friend who bought an apartment in a building near 72/Broadway that was the site of one of the famous ones (Bette milder used to sing there?) but then we really are going back in time

These guys offering above 5% for a hybrid checking and savings. Never heard of them before but they have FDIC protection. https://digital.primisbank.com/brochure/select-product-unauthenticated/select/personal/DDA

When I first visited New York I think there were at least 8 places like this - and even then people were lamenting the “good old days” when there close to like 20. They once fulfilled an important purpose but your phone can turn any city into a bathhouse these days.

I have a couple of theories, not just about Euro but about some providers more generally. First, that some providers see their job as simply being paid to be with people they would hook up with anyway (or could tolerate in their most horny / desperate moments). So they reject people who don’t fit their selection criteria and the financial aspect (a client baffled at why being willing to pay they can’t be with the provider) turns into a lack of respect given all this (“how could you possibly think I’d be interested in you” etc). See the discussion elsewhere last month on providers asking for photos before confirming appointments and possible reasons for that. The other theory (with absolutely no judgement towards anyone on these matters) is about drug / alcohol use and who does how much and does it affect them either long term, or does a client just catch a provider when they’re in a bad state. Socially I’ve seen people typically “normal” who exhibit paranoia, aggression, vindictiveness … followed by no memory or extreme regret and apologies - that part we don’t see in a transactional one off interaction.

I should add I’ve received offers a couple of times. First, in my late teens from an affluent elderly widower in our town - my reaction was one of rage and disgust, and I now really regret this since I didn’t have the empathy for him I might have now - he wasn’t threatening and just trying to see if something was possible and I remember him tearing up when I reacted badly to his proposal. The second time was in my late twenties from a married-with-kids senior colleague offering arrangements when he traveled for work - where my bigger worry was do I get fired if I turn him down - it seemed really awkward and confusing and I dealt with it by hiding. Most recently from someone much younger than me (maybe mid 20s) who just feels lonely and inexperienced and terrified of “the scene”. I think I’ve finally got the hang of all this - am not into him at all, and I let him down very gently citing how his life will be so much better in the long run if he chooses another way to approach this ideally with someone closer to his age, or seek someone more “professional” (told him to look at RM and have offered advice he wants to go down that route). I’m definitely on the naive side in these matters and I wonder if I’ve missed other situations including where I though people were hitting on me a bit too aggressively but were actually making a financial proposition. Given how exceedingly average I am (maybe I’m a nice guy and approachable if that has any relevance) I can see how the more obvious targets could have a flood of offers from those with the means and feeling the need.

Just as clients sometimes forget they’re with someone who is only with them because of the transaction, I think some providers can blur lines between a paid engagement and a hookup in real life in their Providers are typically at the top end of the desirability scale (a key criteria for being in the business) and can sometimes act like they’re being approached by someone way beneath them (as they define it) at a club or online when the potential client questions start. And this can continue after the session, where they may lose potential recurring revenue because of the pattern repeating.

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly. So the world is a better place and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time?

Me too as I shared earlier. I presume cost of living increases affecting the whole economy including rent and hotels are really biting. I’ve heard providers use words like “desperate” about their situation (eg when really pushing for an extra hour or repeat session) which I never have before (when typically it was more bravado, do you want more time? take it or leave it, I turn people away I’m so much in demand etc). Re-engaging former clients to jazz up revenue, including with special offers, makes sense in every other service provider business so why not this.

It should bother you as a client’s time is also valuable and should be respected. If it is really a last minute cancelation you may have arranged other things before and after so you could make that time, spent time preparing, spent money and time commuting to the meeting place etc so it would be extremely odd that you claim it didn’t bother you. whether or not you’re real (many here rightly doubt you’re reporting on a real situation) and for whatever purpose you’re enabling discussion of pertinent issues. In this specific exchange - the issue being that a clients time is also important. And I’m waiting for the plug for a specific escort (maybe the one you allegedly wronged) / your online business / link to your payment site etc at some point 😃

Stay away. He was very mean to someone I know and trust (personal verbal attacks). I can go into details on DM if you wish.