Simon Suraci

^Simon says: Here is a link to a comment I made on a specific provider re: this very same topic.

Ask for what you want. That’s the best way.

I saw Grant earlier in 2025. He’s excellent. Very knowledgeable, experienced, and quite skilled. His rates are reasonable, in line with therapeutic only offerings. Amazing value for the quality he delivers. I highly recommend him for therapeutic bodywork. I got the sensual upgrade and personally it was not worth it to me. I said this about Michael and I will say the same applies to Grant. Some guys are exceptionally good at therapeutic, but very few are equally as good at sensual/erotic. YMMV. I will return for therapeutic work. Re: deposit policy. Grant charges a $20 deposit. Clearly this is not a scam to rob deposit money as he has a stellar reputation and the low amount is about the principle of the thing, to help him weed out unserious, flaky people. After refusing digital payment, I told him I would pay the deposit in cash, insisting on dropping by his place in Pt Loma to drop it off. He said anyone serious enough to make the trip just to drop off $20 was going to show up, so he waived the fee. I didn’t ask him to waive it; he offered, trusting my display of good faith. I really was going to drive there and do it. As a masseur myself, I understand exactly why he requires a nominal deposit, so I respected his policy. I just figured you guys should know he has a deposit policy and want to encourage you to not be put off by it. He’s not a fly by night masseur looking to steal small amounts of your money. He’s a good guy trying to protect his time. If the risk of $20 is really that much of loss for you, maybe hiring $120+/hr services is out of your price range anyway. I do not like or advocate for deposits generally, and do no charge them myself, but in cases like this, it’s obvious to me why he does it and that he is not going to cheat you.

Clients vary in terms of their preferences, but also in their bodies. I second pretty much all that @Jamie21 has to say, plus the following. The majority I find like to position their manhood downward. I interpret this display behavior as an invitation to engage with their bits. It’s not always for that reason though. For some, it’s simply more comfortable. Perhaps they have a downward curving/pointing cock and positioning it in an upward direction would be cumbersome or even painful if they become erect. Erections are certainly a hazard in my sessions! Same goes for arching / lifting their ass, spreading their legs to the edges and beyond the ends of the table. Although it’s way more obvious this way. On my table, no ass goes unattended to, so you need not worry or go out of your way to present it. Assuming you maintain good hygiene, of course. Without a basic level of respect, I will not be doing all the erotic ass play stuff. Please don’t be one of the men I have to discreetly wipe due to foul odors and residues. I swear some of my 70+ and 80+ clients are the worst offenders, but I believe they are simply clueless. Not from a lack of respect, but a lack of awareness. Still. Come on, guys. Can you believe a client the other day asked me to f*ck him after I did the whole wiping thing at the beginning of the session? And it wasn’t just a little bit. It was like he didn’t even do a first pass at the toilet. He could stripe a few meters of roadway with those skid marks. God, the shit we deal with. And you wonder why we charge so much for the work we do, all with a smile on our faces and compassion in our hearts. At least the good ones. We truly do the lord’s work. I digress. Some men have a smaller and/or a more retracted dick, especially the more corpulent guys, so it really doesn’t matter for them, as nothing is going to be presenting itself so obviously or bending very far in any direction. I had a guy recently that apparently had a full on erection, but I didn’t know so until I felt around and pulled it out away from his body. Like coaxing a turtle out of his shell. So cute. Yeah. So various reasons for positioning one way or another. We’re all different. A good sensual / erotic masseur will figure out what you like and engage you erotically without all the fuss regarding how you position your body. It’s really not that complicated. Hire those experienced skilled guys, relax, and let the magic unfold.

You might try searching the Spas and Masseurs section using keyword SF and/or San Francisco. I’ve heard many good providers are located in SF. Your search would turn up many results for you to read through and help you develop a shortlist. Do some research and then share your shortlist with links to the masseur ads and ask for members’ input on the options. A separate thread with a title specifying the area you are looking in SF would get the right people to view it. Asking the whole country and beyond to give you personalized recommendations to your local area is probably not going to yield the targeted info you seek. As to your more general topic of masseurs who offer equally skilled therapy, extras and sexual favors, many providers across the country would fit the bill. To your point, it is difficult to find masseurs that provide the whole shebang with equal skill - at any price point. You may want to clarify what your expectations are regarding pricing. So many clients here want or expect a high level of sex work services with a skilled therapeutic massage, but for massage pricing. Quite a few providers fit the bill, but they tend to charge equitable rates in line with going sex work rates for their services. You will hear stories on here bragging about how clients got sex work services for massage prices, but this isn’t the norm. Expect to pay equitable rates for sex work, especially for a quality provider delivering a high level of skill on both fronts, precisely because they are so valuable, desirable, and good at what they do. If you expand this topic to cover outside your local area, I bet you would get some more responses from clients discussing their favorites in their local areas and frequent travel destinations.

Please note this article discusses sex trafficking. Law enforcement is interested in stopping sex traffickers, as they should. In-person sex work services may be illegal, but not immoral. Nobody is getting hurt. Sex trafficking is both illegal and immoral. The real problem here: vulnerable people being taken advantage of, controlled, or compelled to work for the enrichment of the people trafficking them. That’s what we really want to stop. Not consenting adults engaging in commercial activity. Most providers discussed on these forums work for themselves. They are not trafficking others nor being trafficked themselves. Accounts of sting operations in the M4M commercial sex space are quite rare. I can recall only a few anecdotes discussed on these forums to date. If we hear about these stories anywhere, it would be here.

This is my impression too. It’s not typically the sole source anymore for a client to see the ad and book - unless MF is the provider’s ONLY mainstream massage ad. Those days are over. So yeah, I don’t see the point. Lots of $ and lots of hoops for little to no new business we wouldn’t already be getting from other advertising sites.

I finally ended my MF membership last month. I’m sick and tired of all the strict policies, exorbitant fees, and low return on investment. I have been on the fence about leaving for a long time. To make the decision, I conducted a test. I ran generous specials for two weeks, something equivalent to 50% off, just to see if that would attract a lot more inquiries. I expected many, but only got a few hits, mostly from visitors. The visitors business doesn’t really help because the idea is to bring in new potential repeat business, not someone who would likely see me only once. I appreciate the bookings, but tbh these people would have booked me at full price anyway. The other hits were from clients who also viewed my RentMasseur ad and were asking for the discount. One of them booked me through RentMasseur and then a day later viewed my MF profile and asked after the fact if he could get the MF special I was running. That was the last straw. I canceled his appointment, telling him that I could no longer give him 100% of my effort. I would rather not have the appointment than deliver subpar service knowing this client is willing to pay full price but now isn’t because I was running the deep discount test. I canceled MF right then and there. No regrets. I get plenty of business from RentMasseur. If anything, I am using the savings to double down boosting my RM ads with paid extra advertising features. So far it’s working nicely. So basically I have been paying MF a steep premium for the privilege of having to discount to get new business…when all the while most clients are viewing my RentMasseur ad anyways. And many of them are willing to book me at my normal rates. The value is just not there, at least not for me. MF works best for therapeutic only providers.

Thought I would share this article which features David Geffen. He started his relationship with a young model on Seeking Arrangements (what it was called at the time). It’s an interesting portrait of how some view the site as enabling predatory behavior, but as many have discussed here, the site facilitates the start of a variety of healthy and not so healthy relationships. Drugs, Paid Sex and No Prenup: David Geffen’s Divorce Drama Goes Public as Mogul’s Ex Files Explosive Lawsuit VARIETY.COM Donovan Michaels has sued Hollywood mogul David Geffen for breach of contract, claiming that Geffen treated...

My clients are all so different from one another. Each experience varies widely. It’s all about reading the room. Massages I go with the flow and let the client take the lead. I engage when the client seems genuinely interested in a back and forth conversation. At some point, most clients settle in to the massage and relax, so I let them quiet their mind so they can get into their body and the metaphysical energy exchange, sensuality, eroticism, and therapeutic releases all over their body as I work. Some of the best chats I’ve had with clients are after we finish their massage. When there is time to linger for a while (nobody booked right after), and they are chatty, I indulge them. Escort clients run the full gamut. I have a guy that barely says one word throughout the whole session. Another likes to chat about everything in our lives, sometimes over many hours, with lots of sex interspersed in between conversations. He hires me for multiple hours or overnights, so it’s more conducive to chit chat. I like chatting with my clients when they like it, and I am an open book. I stay quiet when they seem less interested in chatter. Some people just really need to be heard, understood, and validated. I’m good with this too.

Great point. It’s impractical to maintain a license in every state to which one travels. I may only work for a week in New York once a year, or once every other year. Hardly worth maintaining a license. Same situation for a dozen other states in my case.

RentMen must be getting ready for compliance in the case of legal rulings requiring them to act quickly in some or all jurisdictions in the US to avoid getting shut down. Maybe the “glitch” is a programming issue unintentionally turning the feature on / off.

Yes, some clients hire me for piss play.

Yes, it’s a thing, and oh so pleasurable. I guide clients into the orgasmic states you’re looking for. True, you can learn it on your own with some access to information online and in books, but it’s way more fun with a provider. It takes practice, patience, an interest, belief that it’s possible, an open mind, and a willingness to learn. Most men lack one or all of these. Also, sometimes it takes multiple sessions depending on the person, their experience level, their body, and individual circumstances. It’s a heavy investment in terms of time and to some extent money, but moreso time and patience. Men prefer instant gratification. Providers offering what you are looking for are exceedingly rare because of all the above limiting the market demand for the services you’re seeking. We’re out there, but not in every city or neighborhood. You might have to travel or hire a traveler to find a good fit.

Howdy Texas! You missed me, didn’t you? Aw shucks, I miss you too. Hosting for three weeks at my private single family rental house in Oak Lawn with convenient street and driveway parking, within walking distance to bars and restaurants along Cedar Springs. Taking clients incall 8:00am-midnight daily This is a courtesy notice to give you community members priority advance scheduling if you would like to see me on this trip. Please note, Dallas is my busiest city; I book up to nearly 100% capacity every day of my visits here. I advise booking ahead. Be advised: I continue to learn and grow! I keep incorporating new moves and techniques, innovating and improving all the time. While the best aspects of my work remain, you get even better work from what you may have had from me in the past. As always, I am available for all the naughty things too.