Marc in Calif

You really believe paying someone $250 an hour instead of $300 an hour is being "financially taken advantage of"???  Are these migrants burdened with taxes like the rest of us, or rent, or health insurance costs, etc.  ??   I think it's the migrants that are laughing their asses off.

That's lovely.  You should consider treating your fellow forum members with the same respect.  I will never forget when you told me that I should weigh in only if the subject is the Philippines or Filipinos but otherwise STFU.  That was the most disrespectful thing anyone on this forum has ever said to me.  Beyond just providers, it would be nice if you showed such grace and dignity to everyone, for example, even people who disagree with you or whose politics you dislike.  But hey, if you choose to extend such grace and dignity only to those who can help you get an orgasm, I guess the rest of us will just have to accept your decision.
For what it's worth, I never haggle with providers either.  But if a provider quotes me $250, I'm not going to tell him that most providers in the area charge $300.  Nor do I care if he's a recent migrant, what taxes he's paying (or not), or what government assistance he's receiving (or not).  I figured the lower rate in Denver was a response to an influx of providers.  If more supply but the same demand means I pay a bit less, great!  Enjoy it while it lasts.

for those easily offended - I’d suggest avoiding online forums where one behaves as an aggressor and somehow doesn’t think there will be a response.

interesting to note the online tough guys are always the first to run to mods for censoring/cancellation.  funny how that works 
 

Member since December 31, 2023 and a review from December 22nd.

the just formed a boy band!

This troika is now in Sacramento, beware!

It's Monday and already tense. Anyone have experienced 6 hands? 

you haven't even read the entire thread correctly

dear lord...everyone take a breath. public_asssitance's comments were valid. period. if you want older masseurs at venues in nyc then gather together and ask for them. they will respond to the market place demand. maybe target one or two venues? stop being a needy victim!!!  lol. like I've said I have my older guys outside of spas. hire them!!! they are online on masseur sites. either this is a manufactured 'problem' or if its is a fetish to be at a spa with an older man, if that then take the reigns and change the culture. Period. no?  too much hand ringing and shifting blame and feeling left out

No, that’s not what happened or why people are upset. The fact that older masseurs are not part of the standard business massage parlor model was actually acknowledged by the original poster which is why he was asking for some exceptions that may have some older masseurs on staff. 
You replied with a crass restaurant analogy that was basically a false equivalency; nobody wants old food and clearly many people reading the forum prefer older masseurs for a variety of reasons, regardless of whether or not you think it’s a fetish.  Then you doubled down with more immature, inflammatory comments (“stale bread” “old-man fetish” etc), and insisted you that all you did was state a “FACT.”
To put it more simply, you yucked somebody’s yum, and that’s just lame, unproductive, and not in the spirit of the forum. 

dear Lord JackNYC...not that complicated

Again, that’s not what it’s about.  Not a single person has blamed P_A for preferences or market dynamics. And unless I’m missing something, nobody has expressed any neediness or victim mentality.  People are just trying to call out and hopefully reduce some lame, immature troll-like behavior.  Anyway, this is just a circular conversation at this point, so I’m out. ✌️ 

I've followed this thread and find it interesting.  I can't understand why  @public_assistance is constantly the receiver of everyone's wrath.  Although his comments are generally not warm & fuzzy, i find them to be insightful and thought provoking.  He speaks his mind and shares his personal experiences with us.  I was not given any compensation for making this comment. 😁

a man's man...

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Well, my suggestion may not be the best one for these particular guys, but I do not understand your concerns about exploitation. You are not asking for a discount in their escorts fee, you are offering a fair trade: I tutor you for one hour, and then you tutor me for the same time. Of course any unfair deal is out of the table.
By the way, "morbid" is how Google Translate understands "morbo". You cannot feed a translator with slang, the chances are you will get nonsense. 

Before anyone hangs me on their cross...I am making fun of the  habit of bragging about how cheap Americans can get laid in foreign countries that have a big supply of desperation, and poverty.

I figure if they're living three to a tent, their expenses must be low...so $50 should be adequate for a suck and swallow.
 

Perhaps most members know    there is no longer a political  forum

I do not think there is any significative difference between documented or undocumented escorts regarding quality and safety. You will have the same chances to get good or poor service, you will have to take the same safety precautions you take with escorts who are US citizens.
You point to the most significant difference and challenge, the language barriere. You are already working through that challenge quite successfully, it seems to me. I would only suggest you to see this difficulty as an opportunity. These guys are probably enthusiastic about learning English, and that opens the gate for you to develop rapport. Consider offering trades like weekly meetings where you chat one hour in Spanish and one hour in English. Not only would you foster rapport from delivering to their need, but also from the natural empathy we feel when a foreigner wants to learn our language. Of course, this is in addition to any non educative deals you may want to make. 
The other significant difference I see is, as pointed in this thread, that these boys are relatively more exposed to all kind of risks (traffic, exploitation, health, poverty, etc) than US citizens.  I am glad they are meeting a decent man like you, who genuinely appreciates them and is not trying to take advantage of their situation.

What makes you think that being new to a place makes them naive?
When I first arrived top USA, there were a few Americans who learned a few lessons from me the hard way, thinking that having an accent or being a migrant makes you stupid or naive. The way some times people have to hustle to survive and make a living in their native countries actually gives them a lot so ftreet smarts. Of course, some might be in fact naive, but not because they are new to the country.

Says the person who got OFF topic. 
The OP specifically asked for spas with Older masseurs. 
You decided to give your personal opinion of what you thought about older providers. 
Not once did anyone in this thread ask for your personal opinions on age or personal preferences. 
 
But I do want to congratulate you. I want to award you with the “Troll of the thread” award. 🍾🏆🥇🏆🎖️ as you have gone above and beyond, to not only veer off topic, but to insult other members on this thread.
I commend you for your outstanding efforts.
Congratulations!!!
-and to the moderator… we don’t need this thread closed, nor do we need any adversarial actions. If you want to hold someone accountable. It’s @pubic_assistance. His exchanges in the threads clearly prove this.-
 
Good Day Everyone!!! 😘
 
 
 

And always innocently "confused" when called on the attitude or on incorrect facts...

I had planned to attend on a Friday or Saturday out of curiosity but changed my mind, as the time difference makes being up that late more manageable, but not 05:00! They run four nights Thursday-Sunday, have been for several months.
The ‘word on the street’ is that the events are barely attended from 23:00 for a few hours, even Friday and Saturday, and that customers begin to trickle in around 03:00 when bars close and they are choosing this over other clubs that serve until 06:00, and the DJ may commence around 05:00 as opposed to continuously from 23:00, so patterns attributable to partiers finishing up elsewhere and then moving on to this regularly occurring event. Things can get very busy as late as 07:00 and through the morning, perhaps as club-goers in places closing at 06:00 are not ready to head home. 
If you prevail upon the courtesy of entrance booth staff you can be informed about the approximate number of attendees prior to committing, as per usual. Attendees optionally hook up in a conventional bathhouse manner.
There seem to be some experiments in pricing time blocks and some offer an inclusive ticket (actually a #, perhaps same as locker) for a drink. The idea is to charge from 23:00 covering up to the final afternoon, or at times a separate charge from 05:00 on for those arriving really late, then the historical rates beginning afternoons. I think that if a customer wishes to stay for the afternoon and evening they would need to pay the historical day rate even if they had attended the previous party leading in.
Otherwise, there is no interference between the two, and there is an agenda division according to the two categories of clientele, with historical afternoons/evenings business as usual. Simply put, the premises are put to more full-time use. 

And if he is indeed "deep" (as he says), you can finally have that great philosophical discussion with him. 😃