411 on spa 27

[HungreeMunkee69]

6 hours ago, d.anders said:

It can be called several things. Quid pro quo, barter, trade, and the p word. I'm sure in some cases it could be called extortion. This concept of paying double-plus the fee-for-service (under the table but out in the open) is new. I don't know any other service where this would be considered standard operating behavior. I'm not sure we should be normalizing it.

I'm curious,  how much do you tip when you get a haircut or a massage at a regular spa?

[Manhattan]

I was at a spa getting a one hour massage. The upselling was relentless, so I got up and dressed and left after 30 minutes. I gave the masseur the price of a half hour massage. He blocked the door and said I wasn't leaving until I paid for the full hour plus tip. I ignored him and walked past him. That's extortion. 

[LookingAround]

No it's not extortion. It's kidnapping and you should have called the police. 

[HungreeMunkee69]

4 minutes ago, Manhattan said:

I was at a spa getting a one hour massage. The upselling was relentless, so I got up and dressed and left after 30 minutes. I gave the masseur the price of a half hour massage. He blocked the door and said I wasn't leaving until I paid for the full hour plus tip. I ignored him and walked past him. That's extortion. 

Where did this happen? Yikes

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, HungreeMunkee69 said:

was at a spa getting a one hour massage. The upselling was relentless, so I got up and dressed and left after 30 minutes. I

Well...if you book a one hour appointment it IS expected that you PAY for the hour, whether you change your mind or not. If you go to a restaurant and order food...you don't get to pay for just what you ate.

[Manhattan]

If I book a 60 minute massage and the upselling starts as soon as the masseur enters the room and continues despite my saying "no thanks", I think it's reasonable to leave early and pay for the time I've used. 
He didn't work for anywhere close to 30 minutes and I definitely did not get a massage. My expectations are pretty  low, but this was not an acceptable experience. 
This was at 28 Men's. 

[LookingAround]

Did you tell the manager?

if I'm somewhere and an employee tried to block me from leaving I'm serious about calling the police. The legal charge in a case like that (unlawful detention) is kidnapping because they are holding you against your will. 

Edited December 8, 2024 by LookingAround

[sulika]

13 minutes ago, Manhattan said:

If I book a 60 minute massage and the upselling starts as soon as the masseur enters the room and continues despite my saying "no thanks", I think it's reasonable to leave early and pay for the time I've used. 
He didn't work for anywhere close to 30 minutes and I definitely did not get a massage. My expectations are pretty  low, but this was not an acceptable experience. 
This was at 28 Men's. 

Wasn’t 28 men’s spa recently in the news for being suit for illicit activities?

[urbanfetish]

18 hours ago, HungreeMunkee69 said:

It must be Ben’s spouse who’s taken over the social medial duties for 27. Great job on keeping that insta account active.

Pretty sure it's Yura who is updating Ben's IG. I haven't seen any indication that Ben's husband had anything to do with the business. 

[Manhattan]

2 hours ago, LookingAround said:

Did you tell the manager?

if I'm somewhere and an employee tried to block me from leaving I'm serious about calling the police. The legal charge in a case like that (unlawful detention) is kidnapping becausinf they are holding you against your will. 

I was pretty shocked but didn't really feel scared and calling the cops is opening another can of worms. 
 

There was no manager, it was late and we were the only people at the spa. 
 
The owners wouldn't care anyway.

Edited December 8, 2024 by Manhattan

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, Manhattan said:

was pretty shocked but didn't really feel scared and calling the cops is opening another can of worms. 

Calling the cops??... 🤔

I am confused ...did he offer you a menu of sexual flavors or did he steal your wallet ???

[d.anders]

10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Calling the cops??

"Hello officer, I'm stuck at a HE men's spa, and they won't let me go because I refuse to submit to the upsell. This is kidnapping. Can you come quick?"

LOL. The silly things some gay men say.

[soloyo215]

1 hour ago, d.anders said:

"Hello officer, I'm stuck at a HE men's spa, and they won't let me go because I refuse to submit to the upsell. This is kidnapping. Can you come quick?"

LOL. The silly things some gay men say.

I don't care if I have to go out on the street naked to call the cops. If I am held at a place against my will, I will call the cops. I'm not ashamed of them knowing that it's a HE place. They should be ashamed of their criminal activity, especially if they are the ones trying to upsell, which is prostitution.

Edited December 8, 2024 by soloyo215

[Nyc000here]

15 hours ago, Manhattan said:

I was pretty shocked but didn't really feel scared and calling the cops is opening another can of worms. 
 

There was no manager, it was late and we were the only people at the spa. 
 
The owners wouldn't care anyway.

What masseur was it ?

[Topform]

What is wrong with saying no when the up selling starts? Is there some nuance I'm missing? Heavy sales pressure techniques aside.

[d.anders]

1 hour ago, soloyo215 said:

I don't care if I have to go out on the street naked to call the cops.

Good luck with that.

[Manhattan]

53 minutes ago, Topform said:

What is wrong with saying no when the up selling starts? Is there some nuance I'm missing? Heavy sales pressure techniques aside.

I said no thanks to each offer, but he wouldn't stop asking and talking about it. 

[Manhattan]

I'll wrap this up. 
 

Although the subject came up in this thread, this incident did not happen at 27 Men  Spa. It happened at 28 Men Spa. I don't know what the masseur's name was.

I've had many massages and never faced this particular situation before or since.  

Could I have called the cops? I guess. Could I have paid for the full hour? Sure. I didn't do either. I took the action I thought most reasonable. I paid for more than I got and only left because the masseur was not providing the service I requested - a massage. 
 

I share the story as a reminder that everyone involved in this activity is vulnerable. I've always had good experiences until this time and it reminded me that things could really go wrong. 
 

Always take good care of the masseurs and don't forget to take good care of yourself. 

Edited December 8, 2024 by Manhattan

[LookingAround]

I'm sorry this story got in the spa 27 thread as it did not occur in Spa 27. I wouldn't want anyone to think it happened there. 

[TropicalScorpion]

On 12/7/2024 at 2:57 AM, dreamboy13 said:

I always use the HK men’s spa IG account. Posted every Monday 

I made a FB just for this lol. I always check the IG account but it wasn’t posted this past Monday

[dreamboy13]

22 minutes ago, TropicalScorpion said:

I made a FB just for this lol. I always check the IG account but it wasn’t posted this past Monday

I’m noticing that too (and right after I posted my comment above). It’s been very consistent up until this past Monday which ended up on Ben’s page. But for past few weeks, it’s been up on HK. 

[soloyo215]

On 12/8/2024 at 11:50 AM, d.anders said:

Good luck with that.

Thank you.

[ChelseaBoy]

Today’s options are Giovanni, Zaid and Niel. 
anyone have a favorite?

[Longuy]

If you want a good, deep/strong massage I'd pick Gio

[thome55]

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