Raise The Rate 2018 Proposal Letter

[Aaron_Bauder]

And I concede that bringing up another escort might not have been wise. I wasn't trying to stir a competitive pot.

 

I don't feel you should offer concessions for telling the truth, based on someone else's negativity or insecurity. You were right, after all. You said directly what I tried to say indirectly. I avoided using the word "race" because it can be triggering for some. Many white guys who have earned success legtimately by working hard do not like hearing that their race has also afforded them extra luck in certain situations.

 

The problem when talking about privilege is that it refers to a state of controlled variables, where all else is equal. And in real life, no two person's situations are ever equal -- too many variables. So there are always exceptions, but in general, yes, nonwhite escorts have a weaker market due to cultural forces outside our control. The existence of a small percentage of clients who prefer nonwhite escorts does not come close to filling that gap.

 

My point earlier was young, fit/muscular, white escorts are generally doing better in this crisis than young, fit/muscular, nonwhite escorts of equal attractiveness and business savvy. Because they have always done better. Echoing your words, the hottest 10/10 black providers I know (handsome face, great body and personality, awesome reviews) have never made as much in terms of market rate, overnights and multihour appointments, travel, gifts as even white escorts I'd consider a 7/10, let alone the very best 10/10 white guys. Sean's name has come up a lot with my clients as a great provider (I got a few of his regulars when he "retired") and like you say, even with his porn star boost he does not command what his white peers do.

 

So before dismissing other escorts' money worries, or blaming them for their woes, consider that not all of us were having the same experience even before the latest setback. It is what it is.

[+ quoththeraven]

I don't feel you should offer concessions for telling the truth, based on someone else's negativity or insecurity. You were right, after all. You said directly what I tried to say indirectly. I avoided using the word "race" because it can be triggering for some. Many white guys who have earned success legtimately by working hard do not like hearing that their race has also afforded them extra luck in certain situations.

 

The problem when talking about privilege is that it refers to a state of controlled variables, where all else is equal. And in real life, no two person's situations are ever equal -- too many variables. So there are always exceptions, but in general, yes, nonwhite escorts have a weaker market due to cultural forces outside our control. The existence of a small percentage of clients who prefer nonwhite escorts does not come close to filling that gap.

 

My point earlier was young, fit/muscular, white escorts are generally doing better in this crisis than young, fit/muscular, nonwhite escorts of equal attractiveness and business savvy. Because they have always done better. Echoing your words, the hottest 10/10 black providers I know (handsome face, great body and personality, awesome reviews) have never made as much in terms of market rate, overnights and multihour appointments, travel, gifts as even white escorts I'd consider a 7/10, let alone the very best 10/10 white guys. Sean's name has come up a lot with my clients as a great provider (I got a few of his regulars when he "retired") and like you say, even with his porn star boost he does not command what his white peers do.

 

So before dismissing other escorts' money worries, or blaming them for their woes, consider that not all of us were having the same experience even before the latest setback. It is what it is.

Use of a specific name was still, in retrospect, a mistake.

[MiamiLooker]

Don't you see the picture on my profile? I'm on a villa in St. Petersburg beach, after having left a client's place. While the rest of America is still trying to dig out of winter, it's been hitting 80 everyday in Florida since the start of April. I don't have to go to Palm Springs, I'm surrounded by Palm trees right now.

 

Very successful people posing outside of Buckingham Palace:

 

[Mocha]

I don't feel you should offer concessions for telling the truth, based on someone else's negativity or insecurity. You were right, after all. You said directly what I tried to say indirectly. I avoided using the word "race" because it can be triggering for some. Many white guys who have earned success legtimately by working hard do not like hearing that their race has also afforded them extra luck in certain situations.

 

The problem when talking about privilege is that it refers to a state of controlled variables, where all else is equal. And in real life, no two person's situations are ever equal -- too many variables. So there are always exceptions, but in general, yes, nonwhite escorts have a weaker market due to cultural forces outside our control. The existence of a small percentage of clients who prefer nonwhite escorts does not come close to filling that gap.

 

My point earlier was young, fit/muscular, white escorts are generally doing better in this crisis than young, fit/muscular, nonwhite escorts of equal attractiveness and business savvy. Because they have always done better. Echoing your words, the hottest 10/10 black providers I know (handsome face, great body and personality, awesome reviews) have never made as much in terms of market rate, overnights and multihour appointments, travel, gifts as even white escorts I'd consider a 7/10, let alone the very best 10/10 white guys. Sean's name has come up a lot with my clients as a great provider (I got a few of his regulars when he "retired") and like you say, even with his porn star boost he does not command what his white peers do.

 

So before dismissing other escorts' money worries, or blaming them for their woes, consider that not all of us were having the same experience even before the latest setback. It is what it is.

 

I like what you're saying, and I'm glad you're defending the cause. But, you're still not quite providing evidence or citations to back it up. Which White escorts are getting gifts and lots of overnights? Which Black escorts aren't getting those same things? You don't have to name names, but there's no examples. It's like confirming that White escorts are better than Black escorts. And let's not sugar coat by saying non-White, because some of us have met what's his name who lived out west and was Mediteranean, and all he ever spoke about was how much money he makes.

 

I'll give an example: I have received everything from Wine bottles and a teddy bears, upwards to living rent-free for over a year and a half last year. The gift was, a client was gracious enough to get me out of my rut-race living situation in Denver, and essentially get me into a place that he moved into, but due to work, was never there. It wasn't a fancy downtown loft in West End Nashville, but it was a very cozy place and I was always within 20 minutes or a client. And when we both got off the lease, he let me keep every piece of furniture except for the TV set, which he gave to a friend.

 

But I'll add, that's why I was never for the whole EOY. I mean come on, the first Black EOY. You telling me out of 16 years of online escorting, we were going to wait all the way until 2016 to recognize a black escort? And make it easy by only including 2, two who posted on the forum. Not all the other Black escorts in New York, D.C., Chicago, Houston, Atlanta? All of which are known "chocolate cities". Get outta here...

[YoungAD]

Training ain't trafficking and they will all be at least 18.

 

Yet another irresponsible post from Marylander. How do you know whether these people are 18? Training sex-workers "from scratch" sounds exactly like trafficking to me.

[marylander1940]

Yet another irresponsible post from Marylander. How do you know whether these people are 18? Training sex-workers "from scratch" sounds exactly like trafficking to me.

 

He is the one doing the alleged training and I am the responsible one... again?

 

I won’t even meet the guys. You’re barking up the wrong tree

 

I guess you’re done bullying @FTM Zachary Prince and you needed to move on.

Edited April 14, 2018 by marylander1940

[YoungAD]

Perhaps you should ask Fresh Fluff or some of the other posters on this thread about the topic of bullying, as well as arrogance. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.

[marylander1940]

Perhaps you should ask Fresh Fluff or some of the other posters on this thread about the topic of bullying, as well as arrogance. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.

 

Now you’re back to not quoting Or @ mentioning them so they don’t know you’re talking about them...

Edited April 14, 2018 by marylander1940

[instudiocity]

"Keep your enemy on his heels. Play the game in such a way that you are completely unpredictable, and it will drive your enemy crazy trying to figure out what you will do next. Never allow him to relax. When he tries to relax, that is when you hit him hard. When he is strong and ready, sit back, be patient, and relax while he is stress, pumped up, and ready to go. Attack your enemy’s mind, and many times, he will defeat himself."

Damn, that sounds like the wisdom of Donald Trump versus the Swamp, The Media, The World..

[YoungAD]

Now you’re back to not quoting Or @ mentioning them so they don’t know you’re talking about them...

 

They were mentioned in passing. Why do you continue to avoid the question, Marylander? What insider knowledge do you have this time about Zachary Prince's escort "training ground," as it were? My guess is: none at all.

[+ stevenkesslar]

"Keep your enemy on his heels. Play the game in such a way that you are completely unpredictable, and it will drive your enemy crazy trying to figure out what you will do next

 

Damn, that sounds like the wisdom of Donald Trump versus the Swamp, The Media, The World..

 

He's a Gemini. Mercurial. You could argue it goes with the territory.

 

(With all due respect to every other Gemini reading this).

[YoungAD]

He is the one doing the alleged training and I am the responsible one... again?

 

I won’t even meet the guys. You’re barking up the wrong tree

 

I guess you’re done bullying @FTM Zachary Prince and you needed to move on.

 

You are the poster who made the claim that these people are over 18, did you not? How do you know this for certain?

Hmmm?

[Aaron_Bauder]

I like what you're saying, and I'm glad you're defending the cause. But, you're still not quite providing evidence or citations to back it up. Which White escorts are getting gifts and lots of overnights? Which Black escorts aren't getting those same things? You don't have to name names, but there's no examples. It's like confirming that White escorts are better than Black escorts.

 

Thank you! But, no, that's not at all like confirming white escorts are better than black ones, in fact, I said the exact opposite: even medicore white escorts generally have a better market than the very best black escorts. If someone hears "white privilege and supremacy in American society affords extra benefits to white escorts" as "white escorts are better than black escorts" then I'd guess they're projecting their insecurites, because that's a huge leap in logic.

 

If I say, "whites receieve preferential treatment in the American criminal justice system" that does not equal "whites are better people than nonwhites." Not even close.

 

As to specific citations, no. If I was keen to persuade or convince, yes. But I'm not. People are free to believe whatever they want. I am speaking to what I know from what I observe. You may be an exception, but exceptions and outliers do not change the general rule. In general, white escorts have a more favorable market than black ones.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Aaron_Bauder

[marylander1940]

They were mentioned in passing. Why do you continue to avoid the question, Marylander? What insider knowledge do you have this time about Zachary Prince's escort "training ground," as it were? My guess is: none at all.

 

You only post negative things on here. That’s all you do

[+ Tarte Gogo]

You are the poster who made the claim that these people are over 18, did you not? How do you know this for certain?

Hmmm?

It is a reasonable assumption, in fact if you are assuming they are not, then you are assuming that @FTM Zachary Prince is a hard-core criminal with no respect for children or consent.

Why are you assuming that @FTM Zachary Prince is a hard-core criminal, @YoungAD?

Hmmm?

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I know I said I was done with this thread. And I am. But allegations of child trafficking (?!?) warrant a response from me, even if they are ridiculous, unfounded, and a thinly-feiled attempt to continue bullying me and tarnishing my image long after I excused myself from this conversation.

 

For the record, everyone who I have ever trained into a career as an escort has been OLDER than me (I started escorting when I was 20 and I'm now 28). People sometimes incorrectly assume that escorts who I mentored may have mentored ME, largely because I am noticeably younger. In fact, if you look at the post I made that is being used to stir these allegations, half the point of mentioning that I have trained newbie escorts into the industry was to provide context for my absolute certainty that escorts do not have to be young to succeed, even at a high price point.

 

(But trolls will be trolls.)

 

Unfortunately you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve studied the market and you obviously haven’t. I’ve also literally trained newbie escorts into this market from scratch. I am intimately familiar with this market in a way that you are not. You are right about one point tho: clients like this do demand a high quality experience. You are VERY wrong to assume that means the escorts must be “young and attractive”. All escorts must be some degree of attractive to be successful, but “extremely high quality” level attractiveness is not necessary to succeed on the $800 per hour level. Nor youth.

Edited April 18, 2018 by FTM Zachary Prince

[MiamiLooker]

First of all, he wasn't my boyfriend. He may have thought he was my future fiance, but we now all know that he thought a lot of crazy things.

 

Secondly, could you just delete that post, and I will delete this one? Let's let sleeping dogs lie, okay? Or should I say sleeping pit bulls? The whole thing caused a tremendous amount of pain to a lot of good people who tried to deal with him in good faith, starting with the moderator of this site and going on down, and including me. It will do no good to resurrect his lies and bullshit. Thankfully, it's over.

 

Please let's just hit delete, okay?

 

Why is it painful to provide a reasonable explanation of something (your GoFundMe account) that looks questionable when asking others to donate for a cause?

[+ stevenkesslar]

Why is it painful to provide a reasonable explanation of something (your GoFundMe account) that looks questionable when asking others to donate for a cause?

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/support-this-site.132486/page-2#post-1499709

 

Miami, why don't you just drop it and start sending Guy $50 or $100 a month, okay? Why don't you support this website instead of bitching at me about escorts you don't like or bitching about ideas of how to resist FOSTA?

 

If your goal is to dredge up the past, I asked you to drop it. There is an individual escort who became a menace to this website, lots of clients, lots of escorts, my friends, and me. Lots of people were kind to him and tried to help him, and he fucked with all of us. So if that makes me a kind-hearted moron, fine. There are many fine people on this website, starting with the Guy who runs it, who were kind to the asshole, and got lies and attacks in return.

 

Is your point that your distrust of him turned out to be right? Do you want an award because you disliked him from the start, and didn't want to give him a chance? I'll give you an award if that's what you want. You were real adept at dishing it out to him.

 

 

If your goal is to question my support of Jeffrey and Rentboy, fuck you. Let me repeat, fuck you. Let me repeat, fuck you. You are a traitor.

 

I'm proud of the fact that when the federal government tried to shut Rentboy down, I was one of the people who fought back. My organizing support and my GoFundMe account for his legal defense counted for about shit. But at least some people stood up for our community, and for a website that was used every day by lots and lots and lots of people I know.

 

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/rentboy-com-bust-im-an-escort-not-a-terrorist-so-get-out-of-my-pants/#gs.=M97dYo

 

More important, the New York Times editorialized against the Rentboy shutdown. National LGBTQ organizations characterized it as a needless attack on the Gay community. Even the judge who sentenced Jeffrey said she was troubled having to send him to jail. She realized his website provided a service lots of people like you wanted, even though it ran afoul of a dated prostitution law.

 

You didn't lift a finger to defend him. You just bitched.

 

I offer no apology for what I did. Why don't you apologize for being a whiny little bitch who likes to use this website to piss and moan, but won't help defend when we are under attack? I don't recall you contributing to Rentboy's legal defense. Now, two years later, you want to dredge up one of the many lies the asshole who I won't name made up about escorts. He said lots of shit about me that was untrue, like I was being foreclosed on. His lies about my efforts to help Jeffrey were specifically intended to hurt me and one of my escort friends. He even managed to drag Rentmen into it. That was really stupid, because it then gave me a way to discredit him to Rentmen, directly. Which I did. So I'm 1000 % proud of my actions in this matter.

 

Now we have a much bigger threat, in the name of FOSTA. The fact that DHS took down Rentboy and got away with it - even though there was some pushback from the Gay community - was a mixed bag. If they paid attention, they might have concluded that they don't want to get up the ass of members of the LGBTQ community who feel vulnerable. In their floor speeches, Senators Schumer and Blumenthal specifically said that FOSTA wasn't meant to go after vulnerable LGBTQ communities, or websites that help "commercial sex workers" sort out how to protect themselves and others from violence and harm. So presumably you could take that as assurance that their efforts to go after sex traffickers of women and children is not targeted at Gay people like us. I was at a really fun party of escorts and people who hire them last weekend. And while I may have had one too many margaritas, I just didn't notice any sex traffickers lurking in the bushes.

 

Now you are asking, again, for a reasonable explanation of my GoFundMe account to support Jeffrey? Are you saying that looks "questionable?" Or are you saying my donations to this website look "questionable?"

 

Here's my point, asshole. Why don't you just stop being a whiny little bitch and make a monthly donation to this website, okay? Why don't you provide a reasonable explanation of how you want to come here to bitch and moan, but you won't lift a finger or donate a penny to actually defend this community?

 

If you want my two cents, every Gay escort in America should be talking about organizing locally, just like our female colleagues are actually doing - right now.

 

https://survivorsagainstsesta.org/june-2-iwd/

 

We should be figuring out how to resist a stupid law that will probably do more harm than good in the long run. It is definitely not a law that is appreciated by the kind Gay men that I know make up this community.

 

I realize what we are up against. We lost a vote on the Senate floor 98 to 2. Although Wyden had a separate amendment that got support from dozens of Senators that was a better way to actually fight sex trafficking - by giving DOJ $20 million a year to fight sex traffickers and support sex trafficking victims with things like housing and visas. It's going to take years to sort this mess out. But count me in as one of the ones who will fight it.

 

Now back to the point of this thread, before you launched a personal attack on me. If you don't like the proposal one escort put forward to raise rates, that's fine. I think it is one way some escorts can resist. It's not the way I will resist. I hope there are going to be 1000 paths of resistance. And I hope everyone will join one of them.

 

So how are you going to resist FOSTA, Miami? Or are you just going to whine and bitch and moan?

 

Because I'll defend your freedom of speech and your right to come to this website and be a negative, whiny little bitch.

 

But why don't you instead do some good and go to your bank account's bill pay section right now and send this website a monthly donation? Then you can provide a reasonable explanation of how we as a community need to come together, stop bitching, and focus on how to resist a threat to our survival.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[Aaron_Bauder]

[+ 5280Dane]

I certainly applaud resistance too, but as a client, it kind of seems like I’m the one bearing the brundt. Here is what I know, if you think that by raising your rates you’ll get a higher quality client, you might be surprised. What the hell does that mean anyway? Each guy has to figure out what’s best for him and his business. Some can command a high rate. Others cannot. And some have regulars he would jeopardize in losing without some discussion. Sorry, but wages have not caught up in corporate America and the working stiff hasn’t seen much over 2% in years. And if drink the koolaid that the temporary tax cut and permanent corporate tax cut will mean higher wages, for most it won’t.

 

Keep up the good fight, I don’t like, nor believe these laws will save the intended and instead will get overturn as morality legislation. Of all Presidents, the one who hires does this.

[MiamiLooker]

I certainly applaud resistance too, but as a client, it kind of seems like I’m the one bearing the brundt. Here is what I know, if you think that by raising your rates you’ll get a higher quality client, you might be surprised. What the hell does that mean anyway? Each guy has to figure out what’s best for him and his business. Some can command a high rate. Others cannot. And some have regulars he would jeopardize in losing without some discussion. Sorry, but wages have not caught up in corporate America and the working stiff hasn’t seen much over 2% in years. And if drink the koolaid that the temporary tax cut and permanent corporate tax cut will mean higher wages, for most it won’t.

 

Keep up the good fight, I don’t like, nor believe these laws will save the intended and instead will get overturn as morality legislation. Of all Presidents, the one who hires does this.

 

Realistically, what do you think the chances are that gay escorts take the OP’s advice and raise their rates by $100 or more next month?

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

Is the level of service going up along with the price hike? Few products/services have been able to survive a 30% price hike without enhancements. It seems to me that prices go up when your number of bookings begin to exceed your ability to fill the demand.

[coriolis888]

 

Realistically, what do you think the chances are that gay escorts take the OP’s advice and raise their rates by $100 or more next month?

 

 

Realistically? Zero -

 

Possibly, maybe = only if escorts want to create a worse situation and a depression in the industry. Having advertising severely curtailed by the new absurd law, the last thing an escort should do is raise rates at this crisis time.

[MikeBiDude]

Realistically? Zero -

This...

[+ Tarte Gogo]

Realistically, what do you think the chances are that gay escorts take the OP’s advice and raise their rates by $100 or more next month?

Since several escorts already have indicated here above that they will not be raising their rates, no. Let's just hire them.

After a month of waiting for the phone to call, the few that did raise their rates will realize they are just harming their business.