Are Certain Escorts Being Pushed Out Of The Gay Escort Business? How/Why

[Mocha]

Time for the semi-annual, business/cultural assessment thread.

 

It's just something I am noticing more and more. I feel based on ads across rentmen; White, Middle Eastern and Latino are the main advertisers. Even in cities with relatively high or higher Black populations (St. Louis, Columbus, Atlanta, Washington), there just seems to be an almost minimal supply of Black escorts. In Florida, it seems it's either only Adult film Black guys or newer, unreviewed guys. Or it's the same Black guys, indicating those newer guys aren't even getting their foot in the door. Even on the forum, it appears they've fizzled away. And based on when some guys complain and get placated, but when I talk about things, I get dismissed....it's no wonder. Clearly, some guys are being unevenly supported in the business.

 

Now, I'm not saying there arent any. I'm sure someone can name drop some long running darker ethnic escort, including myself (est.2008). But it's not as prevalent.

 

There are cities I used to see clients, now it's non. Kansas City is a sad tale. Between 2010-2013, I seen clients every trip there without fail. Sometimes I'd stay 2, 3, 4 days with a client everyday. Now, I only travel through there on my way elsewhere for a night once or twice a year not catching a soul.

 

Same thing with Nashville. Though it's known as the country music Capitol, there's actually a sizable gay Black scene that's not reflected in the ads. I cut my ties with the city back in May after a year of living there. While tying up some loose ends, I been visiting once a month. Last week, I had one good regular see me. But there were 3 other people who semt me detailed and firm sounding messages about wanting to book, and then drop off from responding. And on A4A, I can see where some didnt even open my reply message. I text them 2-3 times, then POOF. The rates are already up, so no surprise there. Just no regard for my time. Why would a Black escort want to even do this type of thing if that's the weird odd behavior one would have to deal with? So now that's theoretically $750 less that I don't have, to do urgent things that need to be done.

 

Florida used to be popular for Black escorts, now the whole state is just a circus filled with clowns. Orlando Black escort scene is dead. The Tampa scene is just horrific with the amount of games they play over there. Only muscle White Guy's advertising there, but back in 2008-2013, I reached more clients in the area. I have to put effects in my ad, because when I try to be normal and nice, they don't respect your time, give the run around, and just overall clown shit. I feel I'm being too mean by saying I'll blacklist someone, but when I don't say it...I end up getting messed about. And the argument that "oh you've been doing this for 8 years, you should be able to tell if they're full of it. If not, get a job!" is ignorant because....You only know they're full of it only at the time of correspondence. It's still money not earned, and time wasted even if I sift them out in 30 seconds or less.

 

Backpage was a good alternative for Black escorts to advertise on. I gained many clients there especially in smaller markets. But they messed it up with the eliminating of the escort section. I don't know how well one could get around it on the men seeking section, but I tried it once (though in Florida it probably shouldn't count considering what I said above) and it was a headache.

 

Even though this year I've made some generous money, overall it's still not been at the same level. I still can't do the things I used to do back in 2011-2014. It's because things aren't at the level they were. And I feel for some reason....it's due to Black escorts not being booked as often.

[kewtex]

Were you home-schooled, or are you an atheist?

[jjkrkwood]

Perhaps its a good sign that there are other lucrative employment opportunities for Blacks and they dont have to go into escorting. Everyone has a calling. I dont think its negative at all. Guys hire what they like. If there is not a big demand for Black escorts, so be it. Trends change with the times. That's why there's always opportunity for reinvention. If the market is not there, go into another line of work.

[nycguy]

I still can't do the things I used to do back in 2011-2014. It's because things aren't at the level they were. And I feel for some reason....it's due to Black escorts not being booked as often.

 

Nothing has changed based on race. You have to ask yourself why it has changed for you.

[maninsoma]

I haven't checked other areas, but I can tell you that in San Francisco the number of advertisers on Rent.men who identify as black is about what one would expect based on the demographics of the population as a whole -- about 10% of the ads list "black" for race and that's just slightly higher than the percentage of blacks in San Francisco generally. I didn't include those who identified as mixed race simply because that might mean a number of different things, but surely some of those men would be a mix of black and something else.

 

The race that's severely underrepresented, at least on Rent.men, is Asian. While San Francisco's population is nearly 1/3 Asian descent, there are only a handful of ads where Asian is the indicated race.

[polichemos]

I'm not going to lie to you, I used to be crazy about blacks but as soon as I tried Latinos it nace an addiction for me, let's list it like this so you to know what groups are the more demanding in the American market.

 

Latinos 1st place

White 2nd place

Middle easterns 3rd place

Black and asians share the same hiring level since trends change.

[rml]

I tend to book black escorts above others. Just my preference.

[Mocha]

I'm not going to lie to you, I used to be crazy about blacks but as soon as I tried Latinos it nace an addiction for me, let's list it like this so you to know what groups are the more demanding in the American market.

 

Latinos 1st place

White 2nd place

Middle easterns 3rd place

Black and asians share the same hiring level since trends change.

 

Well, your assessment may be approximately accurate. I think we need to call in @latbear4blk to this discussion because he may have a different assessment.

 

However, let's just be clear. There's Black. Then there's Brown. Then there's Black mixed with White and Black mixed with Latino and Black. Black guys who are 50/50 mixed with White or Latino may still have physical attributes that a Latino has, but you would overlook them if you only searched under Latino.

 

In some areas, I don't always fit into the atypical model of what people think of Black especially because I'm mixed.. You may say you're into Latinos more than Black. But why? You may like that Latinos are uncut, hairy, and have thick legs. You may not be as crazy about Blacks because you probably don't relate to them having such features. But, if you met a black guy who did have those features, would you pass them up? Or consider them...

 

I'm going to show you some examples of non-Latino Blacks who could challenge the "I only love Latino" fancy:

 

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Were you home-schooled, or are you an atheist?

 

Don't judge me based on iPad auto fix.

 

Nothing has changed based on race. You have to ask yourself why it has changed for you.

 

You say that, but you're not backing anything up. I've just backed up references to support what I'm saying. You sound like a clown to even say that considering how race was being talked about every single day in every single news outlet over the last few years.

[Nvr2Thick]

Same thing with Nashville. Though it's known as the country music Capitol, there's actually a sizable gay Black scene that's not reflected in the ads. I cut my ties with the city back in May after a year of living there. While tying up some loose ends, I been visiting once a month. Last week, I had one good regular see me. But there were 3 other people who semt me detailed and firm sounding messages about wanting to book, and then drop off from responding. And on A4A, I can see where some didnt even open my reply message. I text them 2-3 times, then POOF. The rates are already up, so no surprise there. Just no regard for my time. Why would a Black escort want to even do this type of thing if that's the weird odd behavior one would have to deal with? So now that's theoretically $750 less that I don't have, to do urgent things that need to be done.

 

I've been in Nashville 20 years. They have never had a good escort scene of any kind. In my assessment black escorts are as poorly represented within the minimal scene as they ever were. Nashville has always been known for its escort stings. Also, while that may be changing, Nashville has always had a small-town vibe. I believe that we don't see very many escorts because often escorts want to keep that side of their life isolated from their friends and their day jobs, which is next to impossible in a small, gossipy community. The southern black community in general has some strong Christian roots -- even stronger than many of the white Christian families. It's hard enough for a black man to be gay in the south, let alone be exposed to his family as an escort. Social stigmas abound.

 

 

Backpage was a good alternative for Black escorts to advertise on. I gained many clients there especially in smaller markets. But they messed it up with the eliminating of the escort section. I don't know how well one could get around it on the men seeking section, but I tried it once (though in Florida it probably shouldn't count considering what I said above) and it was a headache.

 

As someone who used to seek out hung, top, black escorts through Backpage I can tell you it was never a great alternative. I'd estimate that one in ten ads were fakes with stolen pictures. Occasionally I'd find an amazing, incredibly worthwhile provider, but that was after weeding out 90% bullshitters to get to the 10% I'd then screen for compatibility and availability.

 

 

Even though this year I've made some generous money, overall it's still not been at the same level. I still can't do the things I used to do back in 2011-2014. It's because things aren't at the level they were. And I feel for some reason....it's due to Black escorts not being booked as often.

 

There's one notorious aging escort on this forum who will every so often blame his declining popularity on the industry. Even if your body is getting better as you've refined your workout and your gains have accumulated it seems that client preferences often skew to younger men. "Mature" men in their 30s and up are more of a niche than muscle boys.

 

 

 

I've followed the Atlanta scene for quite a few years. It seems "normal." There are some established black escorts, with new providers coming on to the scene regularly. Some of the new escorts don't last, which is typical of escorting in general.

[Mocha]

Perhaps its a good sign that there are other lucrative employment opportunities for Blacks and they dont have to go into escorting. Everyone has a calling. I dont think its negative at all. Guys hire what they like. If there is not a big demand for Black escorts, so be it. Trends change with the times. That's why there's always opportunity for reinvention. If the market is not there, go into another line of work.

 

Even though I liked this, I have to address you still.

 

The problem I have with this statement is you seem to perpetuate the ignorant notion that if a Black guy is escorting, he's "resorting to because there's nothing better". But yet, when a White Latin or Middle Eastern guy does it, does it mean he's just being smart? Does it mean that there aren't lucrative employment oppurtunities for them?

 

I say that because I've personally had (ignorant) people message me saying, "damn times are that bad you have to sell your dick, etc". But when a white guy does it, it's "oh I'll pay him any kind of money".

 

The stereotypical rhetoric does not do us justice.

[Mocha]

I've been in Nashville 20 years. They have never had a good escort scene of any kind. In my assessment black escorts are as poorly represented within the minimal scene as they ever were. Nashville has always been known for its escort stings. Also, while that may be changing, Nashville has always had a small-town vibe. I believe that we don't see very many escorts because often escorts want to keep that side of their life isolated from their friends and their day jobs, which is next to impossible in a small, gossipy community. The southern black community in general has some strong Christian roots -- even stronger than many of the white Christian families. It's hard enough for a black man to be gay in the south, let alone be exposed to his family as an escort. Social stigmas abound.

 

There's one notorious aging escort on this forum who will every so often blame his declining popularity on the industry. Even if your body is getting better as you've refined your workout and your gains have accumulated it seems that client preferences often skew to younger men. "Mature" men in their 30s and up are more of a niche than muscle boys.

 

I'm just happy to have left Nashville. To add to what you said, though I had a good share of Black clients in Nashville here and there....the overall vibe wasn't very supportive or consistent among others.

 

But as far as age is concerned....all those above men I posted are over 30 years old and even 40. I'm turning 30 THIS WEEKEND. I'm ready to cross over into the next level. I can say though....the good thing I've noticed is my increase to $250 has gone over quite well. No complaints. So atleast I can say I make more per session now than I did a few years ago. For awhile I was stuck at $180/200...but that was fine when I was paying $550/month for rent and getting $25/night extended stay hotel in Denver before the marijuana boom.

[EZEtoGRU]

In the end, its typical supply and demand at work. When there is a high level of demand for a product or service, supply usually increases as does the price. The inverse is true if there is a diminishing level of demand.

 

It is true that Asian men are underrepresented in the US male escort scene. I attribute that to the fact there is minimal demand for Asian male escorts.

[+ azdr0710]

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jeez, all this agitated hand-wringing and angst.......just read EZE's to-the-point two-lined post below and let's close this baby down

 

In the end, its typical supply and demand at work. When there is a high level of demand for a product or service, supply usually increases as does the price. The inverse is true if there is a diminishing level of demand.

 

It is true that Asian men are underrepresented in the US male escort scene. I attribute that to the fact there is minimal demand for Asian male escorts.

[+ poolboy48220]

I think it was Xaviera Hollander (author of "The Happy Hooker") who said "You can't have enough blondes and you'll always have too many redheads".

[+ sniper]

In the end, its typical supply and demand at work. When there is a high level of demand for a product or service, supply usually increases as does the price. The inverse is true if there is a diminishing level of demand.

 

It is true that Asian men are underrepresented in the US male escort scene. I attribute that to the fact there is minimal demand for Asian male escorts.

I'm not sure about that, as I know plenty of men who really go for Asians. I think it's also an issue of family/cultural dynamics and Asians being less willing to enter the business.

 

It's also possible they are tending to operate via other channels. I will say I get hit up not infrequently on Grindr by young hustlers who tend to be POC, and this is out of proportion with the demographics of my area.

[+ HornyRetiree]

@Mocha -- maybe this "This member limits who may view their full profile." has something to do with it!!!

[jjkrkwood]

Even though I liked this, I have to address you still.

 

The problem I have with this statement is you seem to perpetuate the ignorant notion that if a Black guy is escorting, he's "resorting to because there's nothing better". But yet, when a White Latin or Middle Eastern guy does it, does it mean he's just being smart? Does it mean that there aren't lucrative employment oppurtunities for them?

 

I say that because I've personally had (ignorant) people message me saying, "damn times are that bad you have to sell your dick, etc". But when a white guy does it, it's "oh I'll pay him any kind of money".

 

The stereotypical rhetoric does not do us justice.

 

Mocha, let's not make my comment a race thing OK ... I said black ONLY because it was the focus of your post. Surely IMO, I dont believe anyone picks escorting as a chosen profession. some do of course, but usually its an alternative to not finding something more lucrative, and it crosses ALL race and ethnicity boundaries. When you need money, you do what you need to do. It has nothing to do with your color really, its more about your education and skill set. Now please dont twist my words and say that I am saying escorts are stupid. Certainly not. But a lesser education in todays world can perpetuate lack of job opportunities and therefore escorting becomes a more attractive and viable option. Really, all you need is a desire and a working dick....

[+ BigRic]

. . . and you'll always have too many redheads".

 

Where are all of these (preferably muscular) redheads (in addition to/besides Russ)?!?

[jjkrkwood]

Where are all of these (preferably muscular) redheads (in addition to/besides Russ)?!?

 

I didnt think redheads were famous for their muscles, but they sure are infamous for big dicks.

[Epigonos]

This is a thread in which I have no compunction getting involved. I have been hiring escorts now for nearly fifteen years. During those fifteen years I have hired nearly every type of guy one can imagine. About the only guys who don't appeal to me are very fair skinned blond guys (Aaron Mark being an exception).

To the best of my knowledge there haven't been any scientific studies regarding this matter but my guess would be that most of the guy who hire escorts are 40+ and white. As a rule I absolutely go ballistic when someone pulls a race card but racial prejudice just might be an issue here. This is a fantasy business and guys who hire escorts hire escorts who fulfill their fantasies.

Now I have never done the the math to figure out how nearly the percentage of each ethnic group of escorts equals the percentage of that group in the general population. Over the last twenty years the Latino population in this country has increased dramatically and it appears to me that so has that group of escorts. I haven't noticed a large drop in the number of black (African (American) advertising. I have, however, noticed a drop in the number of Anglo escorts in comparison to Latino escorts.

I would certainly agree that all of the above is pure supposition so each and every one on this site is certainly welcome to disagree with me. Really what the hell do I know? I'm just an old codger who enjoys playing with guys of ALL ethnic groups

[jjkrkwood]

This is a thread in which I have no compunction getting involved. I have been hiring escorts now for nearly fifteen. During those fifteen years I have hired nearly every type of guy one can imagine. About the only guys who don't appeal to me are very fair skinned blond guys (Aaron Mark being an exception).

To the best of my knowledge there haven't been any scientific studies regarding this matter but my guess would be that most of the guy who hire escorts are 40+ and white. As a rule I absolutely go ballistic when someone pulls a race card but racial prejudice just might be an issue here. This is a fantasy business and guys who hire escorts hire escorts who fulfill their fantasies.

Now I have never done the the math to figure out how nearly the percentage of each ethnic group of escorts equals the percentage of that group in the general population. Over the last twenty years the Latino population in this country has increased dramatically and it appears to me that so has that group of escorts. I haven't noticed a large drop in the number of black (African (American) advertising. I have, however, notice a drop in the number of Anglo escorts in comparison to Latino escorts.

I would certainly agree that all of the above is pure supposition so each and every one on this site is certainly welcome to disagree with me. Really what the hell do I know? I just an old codger who enjoys playing with guys of ALL ethnic groups

 

Agreed, as I have always said "if the Cock fits, suck it".......

[EZEtoGRU]

I'm not sure about that, as I know plenty of men who really go for Asians. I think it's also an issue of family/cultural dynamics and Asians being less willing to enter the business.

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Yeah I've heard the cultural explanations also. There could be something to that but it still doesn't deal with the issue that there just isn't much demand for Asian male escorts. Same for male strippers. How often do you see Asian male strippers? Almost never.

 

In my view, demand for Asian male escorts/strippers in the US is very limited. I consider this to be a fact. Others may disagree.

[Epigonos]

Agreed, as I have always said "if the Cock fits, suck it"

 

Damn jj, ain't that the living breathing truth!!!!! I just wish I could have hit the "Like" button more than once.

[MartyB]

I can only speak for myself that I choose an escort for multiple reasons but not on race. I choose that escort because I initially admire the body face ass and dick. No matter the race. Are there clients who choose only to be with certain races or ethnicities sure. I live in NYC so maybe that works on my favor that I get to choose from a variety of men. I think Mocha has created an interesting dialogue here. It's coming from his reality.

[+ OliverSaks]

Everyone is entitled to his or her own delusional opinion.