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Re: roberto's Tuesday thread.

 

On the pre-meeting phone call, I always say-ask:

"If during the first couple of minutes I get a subjective bad vibe, I apologize and leave without paying or bad feelings. Is that ok with you?"

 

Various responses: yes; no; pay me 10/20 percent; I can do that only during non-peak time; go to hell.

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nycman Grand Master

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I don't have a problem with that as long as you both have agreed beforehand.

 

If I were an escort I would never accept a "zero payment" deal, but I might

consider a 50% one. No one wants to spend an hour with a client that's not

into them.

 

No agreement before hand? If I show up on time, clean, sober, looking like

my pics, and ready to perform the services I've promised? You owe me 100%.

Period.

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I don't know... that seems really arbitrary and the escort has no control whatsoever over how I may feel about him.

If I got there and felt in physical danger or there were hard drugs present then I'd scram. But if the guy was as he represented himself, prepared to spend undistracted time with me, and we just didn't have any chemistry I'd try to stick it out.

I've had a few meetings like that - I knew within 5 minutes we just weren't going to click - but usually stuck around for whatever fun could be had. I've learned a little thru experience who I'm probably going to enjoy meeting and the answer to the question "How am I likely to feel after spending time with this person?" If I don't think the answer is "great" then I simple don't contact him.

 

I can't see myself ever proposing some sort of prenuptial agreement to a companion. I think I'd be setting myself up for failure rather than a pleasant experience and it would feel very unfair to my potential companion. And if I were an escort then I'd probably decline to meet a client who made a similar proposal to me.

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Just pay and give up trying to find a way to burn the escort's time for free.

If you do do your vetting work thoroughly, the chances of lack of chemistry are very low. It would not make a difference in your budget. In all the years I have been hiring it has happened to me three times. I am not wealthy, so each time it happened it was a major pain in my ass, but it was also a lesson and a strong motivation to do a better vetting. The three times took place during my first year of hiring here in the USA. I want to think I learned the lessons and now I am better at choosing, vetting, and hiring the right match. I take it as my tuition in the John College, and it looks like I graduated.

 

But seriously, stop looking for a way to disrespect the professionals' time.

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Is this seriously a problem, how much chemistry does one need to suck cock lol or to put a cock up someone's ass.

 

You all can't spend 1 hour with someone you don't gel the best with:eek:

 

How do y'all survive at work then :p

 

It's 60 minutes with someone not a whole day or week with them. then after it's over just don't hire them again

 

Unless someone is crazy, whacked out on drugs or doesn't look like their pictures, no chemistry is just not a good excuse, it's literally an hour you have to spend with someone... Make the best of it

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I don't remember which escort it was, but someone in my area used to include a phrase in his ad along the lines of "if you aren't satisfied within the first 1o minutes, you can leave without paying." He was well reviewed so I don't think this was one of those attempts to give false assurances to what was really a scam. I think he was just confident that once a client met him, they would want to be with him.

 

I'm not suggesting that any other escort should operate that way. I don't think I would do that if I was an escort. I also don't think there's any harm in a client making such a request (or some sort of reduced payment agreement) in advance, but I can imagine that some escorts would simply choose to not bother with such a client unless he really needed the (potential) money. Like it or not, hiring an escort is generally something one agrees to do without an in person, unpaid interview in advance.

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I don't know... that seems really arbitrary and the escort has no control whatsoever over how I may feel about him.

If I got there and felt in physical danger or there were hard drugs present then I'd scram. But if the guy was as he represented himself, prepared to spend undistracted time with me, and we just didn't have any chemistry I'd try to stick it out.

I've had a few meetings like that - I knew within 5 minutes we just weren't going to click - but usually stuck around for whatever fun could be had. I've learned a little thru experience who I'm probably going to enjoy meeting and the answer to the question "How am I likely to feel after spending time with this person?" If I don't think the answer is "great" then I simple don't contact him.

 

I can't see myself ever proposing some sort of prenuptial agreement to a companion. I think I'd be setting myself up for failure rather than a pleasant experience and it would feel very unfair to my potential companion. And if I were an escort then I'd probably decline to meet a client who made a similar proposal to me.

I agree well stated. We learn a lot by our "mistakes " and there is always something that can click with a escort. Chemistry is hard to guarantee but when u find it I find it something I don't move away from easily. It's magic.

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I don't know... that seems really arbitrary and the escort has no control whatsoever over how I may feel about him.

If I got there and felt in physical danger or there were hard drugs present then I'd scram. But if the guy was as he represented himself, prepared to spend undistracted time with me, and we just didn't have any chemistry I'd try to stick it out.

I've had a few meetings like that - I knew within 5 minutes we just weren't going to click - but usually stuck around for whatever fun could be had. I've learned a little thru experience who I'm probably going to enjoy meeting and the answer to the question "How am I likely to feel after spending time with this person?" If I don't think the answer is "great" then I simple don't contact him.

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I can't see myself ever proposing some sort of prenuptial agreement to a companion. I think I'd be setting myself up for failure rather than a pleasant experience and it would feel very unfair to my potential companion. And if I were an escort then I'd probably decline to meet a client who made a similar proposal to me.

 

Had a recent meeting like that with a well reviewed one here. I showed up at his place on time. He was late, just came from outside, clearly looking disorganized. Told me to wait in lobby and he will call. 15 min later he said to come up. I did, and I almost ran at that point (in hind sight I should have). Complete disarray, and steroids and needles everywhere. He was finishing his protein drink and proceeded to pick up vials and needles to inject, thank god out of my sight. At that point I was afraid to run as he is more than twice my size and likely could have inflicted lots of damage, esp in a roid rage. So I proceeded cautiously and of course he couldn't perform in any adequate way. So relaying back to this thread, the chemistry was definitely off right at the beginning, I was totally caught off guard as he has like 30 glowing reviews, and there was an element of safety. So to avoid harming myself I went thru the motions and paid. IF I had proposed the "no chemistry 1/2 off idea" I'm sure we would have never met, and I'm now considering that as a last bit of screening mechanism for myself

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steroids and needles everywhere. He was finishing his protein drink and proceeded to pick up vials and needles to inject,thank god out of my sight. At that point I was afraid to run as he is more than twice my size and likely could have inflicted lots of damage, esp in a roid rage.

I'll bet that could describe allot of the body builder situations. We all know that it ain't just clean living and protein shakes giving them that look.

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Is this seriously a problem..... ?

I wondered the same thing from the original post...

 

Ive never encountered this issue - in or outcall.

 

Ive walked away for dishonesty, and even a couple of times for repulsion. Human interactions evolve, and there were guys I saw multiple times and it eventually became unsatisfactory, so I didnt hire again - I suppose that's "chemistry."

 

Never once has a session started, hes who he says, appears as pictured, accommodating.... and yet we didnt "click" so I wanted to leave.

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Chemistry is hard to guarantee but when u find it I find it something I don't move away from easily. It's magic.

 

This too.

 

One of my favorite guys includes in his profile "Just be honest, genuine, and up front, and I will take care of you" but I imagine that there are people who just can't feel a connection with him - nobody's fault but we're all wired differently. That's a good thing.

But when you find it hang onto it.

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I am aa business man and I look at this as a business transaction where we both get something we need. I see it this way and most times it is mind blowing or satisfactory. I would never think of trying to discount their rate unless they weren't a match for their pics ..I just wouldn't enter their place upon them opening their door. or worse couldn't get it up...it's what I am there for after all and a limp noodle just doesn't cut it

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Re: roberto's Tuesday thread.

 

On the pre-meeting phone call, I always say-ask:

"If during the first couple of minutes I get a subjective bad vibe, I apologize and leave without paying or bad feelings. Is that ok with you?"

 

Various responses: yes; no; pay me 10/20 percent; I can do that only during non-peak time; go to hell.

 

I avoid clients like this at all costs, and if you ask that question within our initial conversation, I discontinue contact.

 

Now if the said escort is of the variety that they don't really enjoy what they are doing, just trying to hustle for money, then by all means leave.

Simply say "hey, I get the vibe you are not really into escorting so maybe I should leave if you don't want to do this."

But please, BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF!!!

Do not abuse that just because the escort is a little timid.

First meetings can be nervous, as well as if Hygiene is off, that can lead to anyone being stand off-ish.

I have had clients text me that phrase, but only because I will not confirm every explicit little detail via text.

Uh, hello!!

We live in a society where *whispers*

"Prositution" is illegal.

Why would I go around jeopardizing my career and how I make money by one person needing every little detail mapped out.

It is a career to most escorts who take it seriously.

My advice to you would be to hire escorts who demonstrate that, and lay off explicit questions. Doing that only annoys escorts . Just go with the flow you won't have a problem with enjoying yourself.

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Re: roberto's Tuesday thread.

 

On the pre-meeting phone call, I always say-ask:

"If during the first couple of minutes I get a subjective bad vibe, I apologize and leave without paying or bad feelings. Is that ok with you?"

 

Various responses: yes; no; pay me 10/20 percent; I can do that only during non-peak time; go to hell.

Maybe you will be more open to further explanation than Roberto was. I'm really having trouble wrapping my head around this whole concept of a "vibe." Chemistry I understand, but that takes going through the session to know if you have chemistry. What can happen in the first few minutes to turn you off to the person? Bad smells, too effeminate, too distant? I can't decide if people are talking about vibes to be politically correct and not call out some other characteristic. Or am I just lacking in some kind of cosmic awareness?

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