FUED

[+ WilliamM]

http://www.oliviadehavillandonline.com/uploads/3/8/3/7/3837374/107197610_orig.jpg

 

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/emmys-olivia-de-havilland-bette-davis-joan-crawford-feud-994699

 

Olivia de Havilland (age: 100) comments by email from Paris on Bette Davis and Joan Crawford and "Feud."

[+ sniper]

Eh, it's by email, Who knows if it's her or an assistant. Can't say I understand an actor saying you shouldn't be able to depict dead people.

[hornytwells]

Eh, it's by email, Who knows if it's her or an assistant. Can't say I understand an actor saying you shouldn't be able to depict dead people.

I agree, but she is 100 years old, so I wonder if what she meant was that the only people who could judge the accuracy are the two dead stars, rather than how it came out (as though she is opposed to any depiciton at all of dead characters). All I can hope is that she doesn't see Catherine Zeta Jone's dreadful (and unrecognisable) depiction of her-it might just finish her off!

[+ WilliamM]

I agree, but she is 100 years old, so I wonder if what she meant was that the only people who could judge the accuracy are the two dead stars, rather than how it came out (as though she is opposed to any depiciton at all of dead characters)

 

Yes, I agree it is possible she meant only Davis and Crawford could judge the accuracy.

 

Olivia de Havilland may remember that Davis was able to respond directed to her own daughter's book.

[LADoug1]

Yes, I agree it is possible she meant only Davis and Crawford could judge the accuracy.

 

Olivia de Havilland may remember that Davis was able to respond directed to her own daughter's book.

 

Davis' daughter wrote a book?

[+ WilliamM]

Davis' daughter wrote a book?

 

My Mother's Keeper by daughter, B.D. The public was at least partly on Bette Davis' side because she had suffered a stroke before the book was published.

[+ WmClarke]

Davis' daughter wrote a book?

My Mother's Keeper by daughter, B.D. The public was at least partly on Bette Davis' side because she had suffered a stroke before the book was published.

And then Bette responded with her book, This N That.

 

Or am I getting the chronology wrong?

[+ WilliamM]

And then Bette responded with her book, This N That.

 

Or am I getting the chronology wrong?

 

Yes B D Hyman"s book was first and then Bette Davis' book.

[kewtex]

All I can hope is that she doesn't see Catherine Zeta Jone's dreadful (and unrecognisable) depiction of her-it might just finish her off!

 

I'm relieved to know I'm not the only one who finds Zeta-Jones miscast as de Havilland.

[+ WilliamM]

[Boink]

I'm relieved to know I'm not the only one who finds Zeta-Jones miscast as de Havilland.

 

I would never know that's supposed to be Olivia deHavilland and Joan Blondell (Kathy Bates) if they didn't spell it out every time they come on screen. Bad.

[hornytwells]

Maybe Catherine Zeta Jones is confusing Olivia de Havilland with Joan Collins-that's how it appears!

[kewtex]

Maybe Catherine Zeta Jones is confusing Olivia de Havilland with Joan Collins-that's how it appears!

 

Now that you mention it, I can see it, too. Thankfully, Zeta-Jones is portraying a subdued Collins.

[+ WilliamM]

Feud is remarkable, a timely commentary on women's rights. Especially Lange. She really nails Crawford's inner demons

 

Last night's final episode must have been a horrible experience for anyone who actually knew Joan Crawford, especially in her last film where her dressing room was a car.

 

Fact-Checking Feud: Joan Crawford's Sad Final Years:

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/fx-feud-finale

[BabyBoomer]

. And Davis's Baby Jane is still the GOAT screen performance.

 

 

Some, including myself, feel it was Margo Channing in All About Eve.

 

~Boomer ~

[Meo]

Last night's final episode must have been a horrible experience for anyone who actually knew Joan Crawford, especially in her last film where her dressing room was a car.

 

Fact-Checking Feud: Joan Crawford's Sad Final Years:

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/fx-feud-finale

Director Freddie Francis objected to this description and said it was "a great big caravan"! But I loved Feud and thought they did a great job imagining what Joan's last decade may have been like--especially her happy relationship with her two youngest daughters.

[body2body]

Some, including myself, feel it was Margo Channing in All About Eve.

 

~Boomer ~

I would say it's a toss up between Davis as Leslie Crosbie in The Letter (1940), and as Regina Giddens in The Little Foxes (1941) both directed by William Wyler when she was at the height of her career.

[Kippy]

I thought the final episode was really an interesting juxtaposition of the two personalities. Bette constantly getting feedback from friends and colleagues and Joan going it alone. The reunion with Mamacita and her daughter Cathy was touching as was her loving little pup. The dream/dementia scene with Hedda Hopper and Jack Warner was an interesting touch. Both had struggles to the end. Hats off to the creative talent who wrote and produced this. I can't remember when I've been more entertained by a TV series!

 

Kipp

[+ WilliamM]

I understand Joan Crawford's frustration with the young man in line who wanted her to sign a Whatever Happened to Baby Jane poster.

 

However, it's very difficult to believe that Crawford would not attempted to be more gentle with him before he left. The audience understands Crawford was loosing control, but were not her true, loyal fan all she had left at that point?

[+ g56whiz]

Just came to this thread and now need to binge watch the series.

 

In college in Boston I had a part time job ushering at the Mayflower movie theater. It was an old vaudeville place on lower Washington Street. It was a second run place and played What Ever Happened To Baby Jane for months. At one time I could recite nearly all the dialogue from memory.

 

Like many such venues, it was rat infested. Changing backstage took a bit of courage.

 

One memorable night, just as Bette served Joan that rat on a platter, one of the backstage denizens decided it was time for his starring role and pranced across the stage on what had been the footlights. His magnified silhouette emptied the theater instantaneously. No one even bothered to stop and ask for a raincheck or refund.

 

Then there was The Chapman Report . . . .

[hornytwells]

I understand Joan Crawford's frustration with the young man in line who wanted her to sign a Whatever Happened to Baby Jane poster.

 

However, it's very difficult to believe that Crawford would not attempted to be more gentle with him before he left. The audience understands Crawford was loosing control, but were not her true, loyal fan all she had left at that point?

I also thought the "Joan Crawford's dead.....good" line from Bette was a surprising lapse of bad taste into camp from Murphy. That joke has done the rounds for years and am sure is apocryphal -the notion that Bette would say it online to a reporter right after Crawford's death was more than a stretch. That said, there was a lot to enjoy in this series.......

[+ WilliamM]

I agree that Davis would not have said it when hearing that Crawford had just died. Also, the sudden return of Mamacita was a huge stretch. When Crawford died, several long time fans were taking care of her...at lease according to the news reports back then.

 

If the series was meant to show Joan Crawford as more than just a cartoon, it was successful, @hornytwells .

[+ g56whiz]

Damn! Spectrum, my cable provider, only offers episodes 4 thru 7 on demand. I'm on 6 already this afternoon.

[N13]

Damn! Spectrum, my cable provider, only offers episodes 4 thru 7 on demand. I'm on 6 already this afternoon.

 

They will put Episode 8 on in another day or two.

[Guest DeepSouthDad53]

I also thought the "Joan Crawford's dead.....good" line from Bette was a surprising lapse of bad taste into camp from Murphy. That joke has done the rounds for years and am sure is apocryphal -the notion that Bette would say it online to a reporter right after Crawford's death was more than a stretch.

 

I agree. I thoroughly enjoyed the series, particularly the first and last episodes. But I was taken aback by the use of that dubious line. Davis would never have said that to an AP reporter. And I know it's just a poetic device for Crawford's final days, but using a Doors song ("The End") seems incongruous with anything to do with Crawford. From what I can tell, she was as far removed from '60s counterculture as anyone of her generation.