Getting Ripped Off By A Client

[+ OliverSaks]

@Mocha,

 

Remaining alive and still escorting for ten years is a pretty low bar to set. You may have more street smarts, but ... [typed and erased a pretty nasty and piercing rebuttal, but that's not what I'm about / total waste of my time / drumming up negativity - you have to live with yourself, and that would seem to anyone on the forum to be punishment enough - I'm sorry you lack content and peace in your life; that sucks]

 

No one has ever tried to not pay me for what I provide. I am respectful to my clients, and thankfully, they generally treat me very well.

[DadBearDallas]

I know someone here claimed to do the opposite of everything I say, but if I'm still alive and well almost 10 years in the game, I think I have a little bit of street smarts and common sense. Just a little bit. Probably more than the MoFo who said it.

 

I've always had a belief in: I'd rather be (insert minor/major inconvenience) than dead or in jail. The recent passing of an old friend reminds me even more. Its not worth killing or crashing or going to jail over a temporary inconvenience. I also believe in doing unto others as...etc, etc.

 

Now, there's a story in which a person tried to do that to me years ago when I was kinda young. Tried to kick me out without paying. Too bad he didn't realize his Benzo keys were still in my pocket. After all, he wanted me to Chauffeur him to the ATM because he was too inebriated to do so on his own. Don't get it wrong, I've had guys give me their car keys and they weren't inebriated. But, I wasn't gonna steal his car...again, referring to the above paragraph. Though I'm sure he had a hard time finding it again.

 

The best measure is prevention. It's been a long, long time since someone has pulled that one...as in the 100% not wanting to pay. Now, I don't know if you're referring to being at your place or the client's place. That makes a difference. If it's your place, options are limited.

 

I can't say what I'd do in every situation, but if you're at their place and they try not to pay a large sum...dial 911. Because you just got robbed. As long as you didn't hit or assault anyone, the first person to dial 911 is the side the police is going to take first. The police don't care if you're an escort, because since you dialed 911, you're now the victim. That's how it works.

 

Don't say anything about the guy didn't pay you, only mention $200/$300 etc, etc. cash is missing/stolen while you were in the clients residence, and you need help finding it. You may not get the money (unless he actually has it, and police can be good at compelling people to do the right thing) but he'll think twice before he tries it again.

 

**Disclaimer** I would highly advise against the above if an escort is originally trying to scam the client in any way...such as not providing service, extreme unknown up charges, etc. You are more likely to lose the initial case with the officers. And that measure should never need to be deployed more than once or twice in a 5-10 year career span!

 

And be careful, unscrupulous men will try to pull the "I'm calling the police" tactic too. They may even try to do it first, thus making them the victim. In that case, it's important to maintain you were invited to the home by the client...

So clearly you're someone who can bring a solution instead of picking fights...my experience is that I'd rather be happy than right. Peace

[Mocha]

So clearly you're someone who can bring a solution instead of picking fights...my experience is that I'd rather be happy than right. Peace

 

Ugh....sometimes you just need to let shit die. Lay it to rest. Now I done got all riled up and have to argue before my bedtime.

 

 

@Mocha,

 

Remaining alive and still escorting for ten years is a pretty low bar to set. You may have more street smarts, but ... [typed and erased a pretty nasty and piercing rebuttal, but that's not what I'm about / total waste of my time / drumming up negativity - you have to live with yourself, and that would seem to anyone on the forum to be punishment enough - I'm sorry you lack content and peace in your life; that sucks]

 

No one has ever tried to not pay me for what I provide. I am respectful to my clients, and thankfully, they generally treat me very well.

 

I stopped reading this thread, but even though it's old...what's dredged from the past can be refuted in the future.

 

BOY BYE! Get the fuck over your self indulging White privilege. I wish I would of read this I'd of never given you props in that other thread. Matter of fact, I'll delete my post all together and not contribute to any of your threads since you want to be such a nasty ...(edit oooooooo I can't even say the letter it starts with even though I could use 2 words with it, I'll be banned).

 

I respect my clients and they treat me well too. Bitch, name a place I haven't been treated well at? I've gained clients from having been in most every state in the country and they've treated me plenty well. What's your point? What does whether or not someone never tried to not pay you have to do with me? You sound real insensitive, ignorant, foolish and real dumb especially being the OP posted some relevant information about what he experienced.

 

You lack peace and content in your life because you're so fixated on mine. Fix that before you try to fix me.

 

And if you have ANY doubt as to whether this is something that ONLY happens to me, You sound like a goddamn clown. Considering all one has to do is read the daily posts that are posted at: http://www.nationalblacklist.com/browse_registry.aspx

Edited August 9, 2017 by Mocha

[Mocha]

And whether he chooses to read it or not, maybe @OliverSaks needs to educate himself before making foul, insensitive, entitled remarks:

 

• "White privilege is a form of racism that both underlies and is distinct from institutional and overt racism. It underlies them in that both are predicated on preserving the privileges of white people (regardless of whether agents recognize this or not). But it is also distinct in terms of intentionality. It refers to the hegemonic structures, practices, and ideologies that reproduce whites' privileged status. In this scenario, whites do not necessarily intend to hurt people of color, but because they are unaware of their white-skin privilege, and because they accrue social and economic benefits by maintaining the status quo, they inevitably do."
  
  • Pulido, L. (2000). "Rethinking Environmental Racism: White Privilege and Urban Development in Southern California". Annals of the Association of American Geographers. 90: 15. doi:10.1111/0004-5608.00182.
    

And since he claims, "no one has ever tried to not pay him", maybe he needs to understand the term 'spared injustice'. Since he want to rub some shit in someone's face.

 

• In Blum's analysis of the underlying structure of white privilege, "spared injustice" is when a person of color suffers an unjust treatment while a white person does not.
  

 

• Blum describes "non-injustice-related" privileges as those which are not associated with injustices experienced by people of color, but relate to a majority group's advantages over a minority group. Those who are in the majority, usually white people, gain "unearned privileges not founded on injustice."[46] As an example, in workplace cultures there tends to be a partly ethnocultural character, so that some ethnic or racial groups' members find them more comfortable than do others
  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

And person of color goes for Black, Latino, Mixed or anyone who's not the color of Oliver's BALL SAKS!

Edited August 9, 2017 by Mocha

[Cannon]

Don't you ever get tired of being a victim? My gosh! Every single thread I click on, you are always complaining and negative about something. I'm Black too and I do not relate to this whole victim mentality. With all due respect, have you ever considered that maybe you have so much to complain about because your attitude sucks?

 

And whether he chooses to read it or not, maybe @OliverSaks needs to educate himself before making foul, insensitive, entitled remarks:

 

• "White privilege is a form of racism that both underlies and is distinct from institutional and overt racism. It underlies them in that both are predicated on preserving the privileges of white people (regardless of whether agents recognize this or not). But it is also distinct in terms of intentionality. It refers to the hegemonic structures, practices, and ideologies that reproduce whites' privileged status. In this scenario, whites do not necessarily intend to hurt people of color, but because they are unaware of their white-skin privilege, and because they accrue social and economic benefits by maintaining the status quo, they inevitably do."
  
  • Pulido, L. (2000). "Rethinking Environmental Racism: White Privilege and Urban Development in Southern California". Annals of the Association of American Geographers. 90: 15. doi:10.1111/0004-5608.00182.
    

And since he claims, "no one has ever tried to not pay him", maybe he needs to understand the term 'spared injustice'. Since he want to rub some shit in someone's face.

 

• In Blum's analysis of the underlying structure of white privilege, "spared injustice" is when a person of color suffers an unjust treatment while a white person does not.
  

 

• Blum describes "non-injustice-related" privileges as those which are not associated with injustices experienced by people of color, but relate to a majority group's advantages over a minority group. Those who are in the majority, usually white people, gain "unearned privileges not founded on injustice."[46] As an example, in workplace cultures there tends to be a partly ethnocultural character, so that some ethnic or racial groups' members find them more comfortable than do others
  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

And person of color goes for Black, Latino, Mixed or anyone who's not the color of Oliver's BALL SAKS!

Edited August 11, 2017 by Cannon

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Dont you get tired of being a victim. My gosh! Every single thread I click on, you are always complaining about something. Im Black too and I do not relate to this whole victim mentality. With all due respect have you considered that maybe you have so much to complain about because your attitude sucks?

 

Snap

[Mocha]

Don't you ever get tired of being a victim? My gosh! Every single thread I click on, you are always complaining and negative about something. I'm Black too and I do not relate to this whole victim mentality. With all due respect, have you ever considered that maybe you have so much to complain about because your attitude sucks?

 

You sound like a goddamn CLOWN. As if what you're saying is uplifting attitude. I rather have the humility of a victim than the shame of being a hypocritical bigot like you. Typical crab in a bucket mother fucker: you'll go and leave a fellow black man for dead and then sit back and let a non-black person of questionable character like @Benjamin_Nicholas walk by and point and laugh at them. You're the epitome of a sell out and and your "victim blaming' does more disservice to our race than any other race.

 

You can talk about how I'm trying to play the victim, but remember this thread was made by someone who is a victim and I'm simply just relating. How about you educate your dumb ass on victim blaming before throwing about redundant assertions that you hear on CNN and your White coworkers.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-love-and-war/201311/why-do-we-blame-victims

 

Victims threaten our sense that the world is a safe and moral place, where good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.

 

https://www.inc.com/wanda-thibodeaux/3-reasons-people-blame-you-even-when-youre-the-victim.html

 

No matter why the blame is happening, remember--they're not really attacking you. Ultimately, they're just trying to protect themselves.

Edited August 12, 2017 by Mocha

[Mocha]

And @Benjamin_Nicholas , you keep coming on here back patting and egging on these naysayers, I'm going to call you out on some shit too.

 

Don't forget it was you who told me back in 2010 when you were living in San Antonio, that you avoid the forum because they're cheap here and don't take you on long vacations and such.

 

Don't step into the crossfire. It's not worth it, it's best to just not get involved. If you're not going to add anything of benefit, I don't need the extra commentary from you.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

And @Benjamin_Nicholas , you keep coming on here back patting and egging on these naysayers, I'm going to call you out on some shit too.

 

Don't forget it was you who told me back in 2010 when you were living in San Antonio, that you avoid the forum because they're cheap here and don't take you on long vacations and such.

 

Don't step into the crossfire. It's not worth it, it's best to just not get involved. If you're not going to add anything of benefit, I don't need the extra commentary from you.

 

 

 

If you're going to call me out, at least have the fucking nerve to have something good on me

 

You can give me pointers when you've actually achieved something in this business.

 

Until that time comes, pipe down and take some level-headed advice from posters on this board.

Edited August 12, 2017 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[Mocha]

If you're going to call me out, at least have the fucking nerve to have something good on me

 

You can give me pointers when you've actually achieved something in this business.

 

Until that time comes, pipe down and take some level-headed advice from posters on this board.

 

Bich please. And Bich is how I'm going to abbreviate your name anytime you call yourself trying to address me. You're out your rabid ass mind to say I haven't achieved nothing in the business.

 

Let me tell you something, you may think no one here likes me but trust and believe me...I have more respect than you know. Granted they don't recommend I get caught up in pointless quarrels like this, but I'm not as hated as you let these no name, no avatar having pawns have you fooled into believing. And you looking real dumb right now if you call yourself a professional, and yet you're coming for me for no reason.

 

Listen bich, I've never met you, I don't know you, I don't have any reason to not like you because you're a non mother fucking factor to me. You keep finding reasons to instigate some bullshit so I can want to not like you. I'm telling you it's silly and pointless and makes you look real fucking dumb.

[LADoug1]

Bich please. And Bich is how I'm going to abbreviate your name anytime you call yourself trying to address me. You're out your rabid ass mind to say I haven't achieved nothing in the business.

 

Let me tell you something, you may think no one here likes me but trust and believe me...I have more respect than you know. Granted they don't recommend I get caught up in pointless quarrels like this, but I'm not as hated as you let these no name, no avatar having pawns have you fooled into believing. And you looking real dumb right now if you call yourself a professional, and yet you're coming for me for no reason.

 

Listen bich, I've never met you, I don't know you, I don't have any reason to not like you because you're a non mother fucking factor to me. You keep finding reasons to instigate some bullshit so I can want to not like you. I'm telling you it's silly and pointless and makes you look real fucking dumb.

If you're going to be using this forum for consistently racist and inflammatory posts at least learn how to spell "bitch ".

[big-n-tall]

If you're going to be using this forum for consistently racist and inflammatory posts at least learn how to spell "bitch ".

 

I'm not agreeing with what Mocha wrote. However, he is using the slang wording for bitch. It's a relatively new thing. He's intentionally misspelling it.

[gallahadesquire]

 

-1= Zero.

 

I have to add also that Ooollliver BALLsacks (hey, I just made a good catch phrase for him if he chooses to use it) comparison of a survivor of sexual assault/violent crime is kinda condescending as well.

 

People always want to throw in a big fish in a little pond, to make it look like there's more water than there actually is, once said big fish is being looked at in hindsight. Bullcrap. Or bullCarp since we're talking about fish.

 

Why he feels like a rape or assault victim would be pompously offended is beyond me. Everyone has their different views and opinions. I've been in all sorts of situations, but if someone is getting fucked in every which way from Sunday (not to say that's what happened with the O.P.) with the expectation of an agreed amount and doesn't receive it, that's at the very least a ripoff.

 

If Comcast, Verizon, or any other business swiped $60 off a customer for no reason....They'd be running to post their first review on Consumer Affairs with something along the lines of, "RAPED". And I doubt it involved a role play scene of the Big Black cable man coming into the unlocked door of the little white twinky dad. And that same customer who hired the OP probably uses one of those companies or their competitor.

[gallahadesquire]

http://thebulletin.org/timeline#

 

Timeline

IT IS TWO AND A HALF MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

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2017: For the last two years, the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock stayed set at three minutes before the hour, the closest it had been to midnight since the early 1980s. In its two most recent annual announcements on the Clock, the Science and Security Board warned: “The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon.” In 2017, we find the danger to be even greater, the need for action more urgent. It is two and a half minutes to midnight, the Clock is ticking, global danger looms. Wise public officials should act immediately, guiding humanity away from the brink. If they do not, wise citizens must step forward and lead the way. See the full statement from the Science and Security Board on the 2017 time of the Doomsday Clock.

 

[MikeBiDude]

You sound so charming and pleasant. It really is a wonder your phone isn't ringing off of the hook with clients who want to spend time with you. Fascinating! God Bless.

Same old from him

[kewtex]

Bich please. And Bich is how I'm going to abbreviate your name anytime you call yourself trying to address me. You're out your rabid ass mind to say I haven't achieved nothing in the business.

 

Let me tell you something, you may think no one here likes me but trust and believe me...I have more respect than you know. Granted they don't recommend I get caught up in pointless quarrels like this, but I'm not as hated as you let these no name, no avatar having pawns have you fooled into believing. And you looking real dumb right now if you call yourself a professional, and yet you're coming for me for no reason.

 

Listen bich, I've never met you, I don't know you, I don't have any reason to not like you because you're a non mother fucking factor to me. You keep finding reasons to instigate some bullshit so I can want to not like you. I'm telling you it's silly and pointless and makes you look real fucking dumb.

 

I wish Mocha could be limited to 140 characters. The egocentricities are disturbingly similar.

[MikeBiDude]

I wish Mocha could be limited to 140 characters. The egocentricities are disturbingly similar.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/1c84/f/2012/097/6/8/ticking_time_bomb_by_atigerschild-d4vcha7.jpg

[Mocha]

If you're going to be using this forum for consistently racist and inflammatory posts at least learn how to spell "bitch ".

 

ac·ro·nym

/ˈakrəˌnim/

noun

• 1.an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA).
  

BICH was the assigned acronym for the intended recipient who, for the purposes of not wanting to address or step into any further manure, I won't mention by his working name.

 

At this time, I will no longer be addressing any further comments to this thread as I'm not getting paid to defend or address.

 

[+ MostlyLurking]

Long years ago, I was working at a big law firm. We had a difference of opinion about how much money I should be bringing into the firm. (We differed by a decimal point.) With a good deal of encouragement from the firm, I started out on my own.

 

A few months later, I had a client respond to a bill with a screed about how I was ripping off the community. I tore up the bill and sent back the money he'd paid on previous bills. It felt so good.

Getting stiffed by a client is a bummer. But it's nowhere near as bad as being angry for an hour. And getting shorted once or twice every few years is nowhere near as bad as approaching every encounter with distrust. Getting shorted is a small price to pay for the privilege of living with an open heart.

[Beancounter]

ac·ro·nym

/ˈakrəˌnim/

noun

• 1.an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA).
  

BICH was the assigned acronym for the intended recipient who, for the purposes of not wanting to address or step into any further manure, I won't mention by his working name.

 

At this time, I will no longer be addressing any further comments to this thread as I'm not getting paid to defend or address.

 

 

http://gph.is/1LmibEx

[Daniel84]

I'll get over this but I am so incredibly saddened about what has just happened to me. A client, who had been texting me for the past 2-3 days to meet up finally decides he wants to meet up tonight. The ETA starts getting later and later, until finally he gets here a little past 11:30PM. Mind you, I'm usually in bed by midnight because I have a full time job which is my main priority. I was very nice and accommodating the entire time. Anyway, he shows up and seems like a nice guy and all. I won't get into details, but I will say the encounter was a little more difficult for me than usual. There were a number of things that turned me off when usually I find more things that turn me on about a client the more we talk and the more intimate we get. He ended up staying a little past the hour, and as he left he put the money on my dresser and said goodbye. This was one of those rare encounters for me where at the end of it, it felt like a lot of work. It wasn't as effortless as practically all my other encounters and I was a bit exhausted from it. A few minutes later, after he had already left, I counted the money and noticed he stiffed me by $60! This has never happened to me before, and I'm really upset by it.

 

I'm not really asking for advice (or maybe I am), probably more just venting here, but I will say two things; (1) I'm so fortunate that after doing this for a little over a year and half, this is the first time this has happened, and (2) I feel incredibly used - I feel like it might be a little over reactive of me to say I even feel like I've been raped in some way, but, yea, it kind of does feel like that. Part of me wants to find some sort of way to seek revenge but really what good would that do? I can't write a bad review or blast his number out in a giant escort newsletter anyway. I have to suck it up and move on. But now I'm wondering if I should change my approach with how I receive money in the future. I avoid having the encounter feel like a transaction, and usually discussions about my rate, etc. last a couple seconds - a simple confirmation - and the subject changes. I confirmed my rate with this guy a couple times via text. I didn't ask for the money upfront because, well, that just not how I do things. But now I'm left with the question, should I let this encounter change my protocol, or should I just suck it up, learn how to screen these guys out and continue with what seems to have been working great up until this point?

 

Luckily the night before I had an amazing encounter with a client, and we connected really well - plus he tipped me generously. Anyway, I don't know what I'm really asking, but if you've gone this far, thanks for reading and sorry for babbling on. If anyone has any advice or a joke to lighten up a bad experience, thank you in advance. I guess the way I've been receiving cash (asking at the end, and not the beginning) does put me at risk for this to happen, and perhaps it was just my time. It also wasn't THAT much money... It still sucks though! Alright, well this has already been helpful and it's way past my bedtime. Goodnight!

 

I have been jipped a few times. I never count money a client gives me I feel it's disrespectful to do in front of a client. As soon as they leave I will count it and if I was given a tip or even if I'm not I always say thank you.

[Mocha]

I have been jipped a few times. I never count money a client gives me I feel it's disrespectful to do in front of a client. As soon as they leave I will count it and if I was given a tip or even if I'm not I always say thank you.

 

I know I said I wouldn't comment further, but I just said that because I didn't feel like being addressed by anyone else. And though I believe one can command demons to depart from their personal space, other times the best way is to ignore them and let them oppress the next weak soul. I've got plenty of good in my life, to let a demon take hold. Amen, Amen...

 

But anyhow, I wanted to specifically address this because it sounds like you're putting a double standard and it doesn't resonate with me. It's disrespectful to count money in front of a client, but is it not disrespectful to be jipped? A few times?

 

I think you're worthy of respect. You should never feel disrespectful to count the money. Think about it, any other business does. Banks count your own money before they put it in YOUR account. They have ATM machines that count your money and also show it back to you in realtime. Hell sometimes I get the raised money to the ceiling to see if it's real $50/$100 (for the ones who lie to themselves and believe otherwise). THAT can feel disrespectful. But, best believe when a store gets fake money "a few times", they start counting.

 

People can talk all day long about how theyve never been jipped...but based on this thread, it clearly shows it happens. But over a year ago, I was jipped out of over $200 and threatened. I told myself I would never, ever....EVER get clowned by a clown like that again. And I haven't. I don't even open the door nor let them open the door to get close to situations like that.

 

I like to keep the flow going smooth and believe every client has good intent. When someone rips you off, it messes up that vibe. Best thing is to avoid it happening in the first place. I've made people pay me cancel fees because I let them know, you don't even have to meet me to actually jip me. Calling a restaraunt and placing a $200-$250 to-go order, saying to have it hot and ready by 8 pm and then not coming to pick it up and pay...is essentially robbing that establishment of its time, ingredients, and money. The manager would want to trace that number and kill em dead. Lol. Same here. Same here.

Edited August 21, 2017 by Mocha

[Guest InthePines]

I have been jipped a few times. I never count money a client gives me I feel it's disrespectful to do in front of a client. As soon as they leave I will count it and if I was given a tip or even if I'm not I always say thank you.

 

Only once has a masseur counted the money in front of me and yes, I found it disrespectful, especially considering I gave him a $40 dollar tip.

[+ freecahill1965]

Long years ago, I was working at a big law firm. We had a difference of opinion about how much money I should be bringing into the firm. (We differed by a decimal point.) With a good deal of encouragement from the firm, I started out on my own.

 

A few months later, I had a client respond to a bill with a screed about how I was ripping off the community. I tore up the bill and sent back the money he'd paid on previous bills. It felt so good.

Getting stiffed by a client is a bummer. But it's nowhere near as bad as being angry for an hour. And getting shorted once or twice every few years is nowhere near as bad as approaching every encounter with distrust. Getting shorted is a small price to pay for the privilege of living with an open heart.

Wow, that is an awesome outlook.

[+ Travis69]

If you go in for a $120.00 massage, only have 2 $100.00 bills, ask for change from the masseur should you trust him or count the change to make sure it is correct in front of him? I assume do not count any money in front of masseur or escort?