WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HIRED FROM DADDYS?????

[Michael Wayne]

I have been sitting on this bombshell thread for a while now but the time is right to release it. After attending the Daddys' events in Palm Springs I am a bigger FAN of Daddy and this site than ever. I am a HUGE vocal supporter of the site and , over the years, have sent at least 1,000 people to the site who did not otherwise know about it. SO REMEMBER THAT AS YOU READ THIS THREAD..... Now, from 2,008-2,014, I met dozens and dozens of new clients DIRECTLY and ONLY from either the forums or the the reviews. The guys were clear that is how they found me. Here is what is sad.... I started seeing a dramatic lessening of this BEFORE rentboy was raided. Since Rentboy died the new biz from Daddys is down to almost nothing. The last one I had was last DECEMBER. The traffic and booking from my two main ads @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc and on m4rn.com is relatively consistent and I make about the same money every year. What has changed is the amount of clients from Daddys. I find that many on Daddys love to TALK about hiring and remember and reminisce about who they hired in the past or who they fantasize about hiring in the future but WHO IS HIRING NOW RIGHT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD????? Secondly: I must say that myself and the group of fellow escorts I personally know are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in the CANCELLATION rate again. Not from sleezy craigslist or backpage or app clients but from supposedly HIGH END UPSCALE major rentmen and m4rn clients who book and hold our time and then last minute CANCEL leaving us home alone and unpaid. The rate now exceeds 50% of all ADVANCE bookings. It seems that "right now" "looking now" or "available right now" is all the biz is about in 2016! WHAT A TRAVESTY!!!! RIGHT NOW or AVAILABLE NOW or LOOKING NOW (in any combination of the two) are the TWO WORDS I HATE THE MOST! What is so difficult about making and appointment a few days to a week in advance and KEEPING it??????? Lastly, WHO JUST POPS INTO TOWN like Genie out of a bottle. They know they are coming yet at 10:21 pm with no advance notice they want me to drop what I am doing and make a superman change and be at their hotel at Dulles airport (which is an hour outside of DC) in fifteen minutes. Oh, and they want a discount too. I know many of yall don't like me or what I write here but what I write is WHAT AN ESCORT HONESTLY SEES AND DEALS WITH IN A MAJOR CITY ON A DAILY BASIS...... Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

[killianjamesnyc]

Last Thursday. What you're going thru is unfortunate. But if a client had the perception you aren't doing well its totally within his right to offer less. keep on being magical baby, keep doin you, keep spreadin the love. Dont pull a houdini on yourself and have to disappear like someome else we know. PM me to chat I might be able to help or give you a way to vent in private. Keep it sexy!

[+ Rickee]

Well, my approach has evolved such that I would NOT contact a companion that doesn't have flattering Daddy Reviews and/or intelligent/good-humored postings within the Forum. I usually schedule my life weeks if not months in advance. And I've only cancelled once and that was due to a family emergency.

 

So I guess I don't fit the stereotype mold?

[Rudynate]

What is "bombshell" about it? Quite a few other escort-members have said the same thing - that Daddys is not a significant source of business for them. Yet, they are here and participating, so they must be getting some sort of value from it.

[mattr]

Last Thursday. What you're going thru is unfortunate. But if a client had the perception you aren't doing well its totally within his right to offer less. keep on being magical baby, keep doin you, keep spreadin the love. Dont pull a houdini on yourself and have to disappear like someome else we know. PM me to chat I might be able to help or give you a way to vent in private. Keep it sexy!

 

Valuable words of wisdom from Killian, as usual. I suggest you read them carefully and take them to heart especially the part about keeping it private. Like it or not, this forum is part of your public persona and potential clients will make decisions based on the impressions they get from your postings. If you don't like last minute appointments, don't advertise as "Available Now". If you are concerned about too many cancellations, institute a non-refundable deposit policy. You have a right to run your business as you see fit. If, as you suggest though, the business landscape changing, you will likely have to adapt to the new reality or your business will falter.

[+ honcho]

Im confused is daddys and this forum the same thing? Im such a noob

 

Daddy does his best to keep the Forum separate from the the Reviews site.

 

It's been said that there are reviewers who've never joined the Forum, and that by examining IP addresses, there are people who visit the reviews who also never visit the Forum.

 

It's also why Dadddy does not want us to post anything like a review in the Forum.

 

However, I'm not even a moderator; I'm only rehashing what I've read (and believe) since

I don't have direct access to the logs.

[+ Steve yabsley]

Ok -answering from a different perspective - one who hires, I frequently hire based on contact or impressions from here. Not always, but often. Next time will be next Monday in DC. This is maybe the 4th or 5th time in the past 12 months I have arranged a meeting solely based on my interest from here - this is not counting my use of the reviews site.

I think this is a great place to let people get to know you and pique their interest. Like any other business, you need a variety of advertising, but everything you do either adds to the value of your brand or takes away value from your brand.....and you are definitely selling a brand.

Cheers, and by all means, take Killian's gracious and generous offer. That is a precious gift!

Steve

[+ José Soplanucas]

How can an escort determine exactly the source of a hire? We all, or at least many of us make a careful research before hiring. We consider input from several escorts sites (RM, a4a, BP, CL, m4rn, etc.), several reviews sites (daddy's, cruising for escorts, etc), friends recommendations, porn movies and porn blogs, etc-etc-etc.

[+ Rickee]

Ok -answering from a different perspective - one who hires, I frequently hire based on contact or impressions from here. Not always, but often. Next time will be next Monday in DC. This is maybe the 4th or 5th time in the past 12 months I have arranged a meeting solely based on my interest from here - this is not counting my use of the reviews site.

I think this is a great place to let people get to know you and pique their interest. Like any other business, you need a variety of advertising, but everything you do either adds to the value of your brand or takes away value from your brand.....and you are definitely selling a brand.

Cheers, and by all means, take Killian's gracious and generous offer. That is a precious gift!

Steve

+1!

Couldn't agree more. I, too, have followed through with several of the escorts who frequent this Forum solely becuz their all-around great persona was so evident in their postings. And if you guys are reading this, you know who you are.

[+ Rickee]

How can an escort determine exactly the source of a hire? We all, or at least many of us make a careful research before hiring. We consider input from several escorts sites (RM, a4a, BP, CL, m4rn, etc.), several reviews sites (daddy's, cruising for escorts, etc), friends recommendations, porn movies and porn blogs, etc-etc-etc.

For my encounters, it usually comes up (or I offer it) at some point in our conversations how/why our meeting came to be.

[BabyBoomer]

I frequently hire based on contact or impressions from here. Like any other business, you need a variety of advertising, but everything you do either adds to the value of your brand or takes away value from your brand.....and you are definitely selling a brand.

 

So true.

 

~ Boomer ~

[+ José Soplanucas]

For my encounters, it usually comes up (or I offer it) at some point in our conversations how/why our meeting came to be.

I understand, Rickee, but how can you identify as a client which one was the one source that made up your mind? I may contact an escort from one of his ads (usually the one offering the lowest rate, as we know many escorts post different rates in different websites), but my decision comes from several sources inputs. This picture here in Adam, this video there in RM, this review at daddy's, this experience shared by a friend, etc., everything came together to my hiring decision.

[+ Rickee]

I understand, Rickee, but how can you identify as a client which one was the one source that made up your mind? I may contact an escort from one of his ads (usually the one offering the lowest rate, as we know many escorts post different rates in different websites), but my decision comes from several sources inputs. This picture here in Adam, this video there in RM, this review at daddy's, this experience shared by a friend, etc., everything came together to my hiring decision.

Well, as I think I implied, I heavily use the Reviews and the Forum (and compadres I've met here) to make up my mind -- and I share that info with them.

[down_to_business]

Very rarely would I hire anyone based solely on their presence here. It would be even rarer for anyone to know why I hired them unless they put me on the spot and demanded to know. But then again, for me personally, reviews are much much lower on the scale of importance.

 

A few escorts have talked me out of having any interest in them, either by posting their total disdain for something I believe strongly in, clients in general, or the way they respond to criticism etc. Other times its issues beyond their control. Simply having rabid fanboys here have so disgusted me with some escorts, there isn't a chance in hell I would ever hire them.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Very rarely would I hire anyone based solely on their presence here. It would be even rarer for anyone to know why I hired them unless they put me on the spot and demanded to know. But then again, for me personally, reviews are much much lower on the scale of importance.

 

A few escorts have talked me out of having any interest in them, either by posting their total disdain for something I believe strongly in, clients in general, or the way they respond to criticism etc. Other times its issues beyond their control. Simply having rabid fanboys here have so disgusted me with some escorts, there isn't a chance in hell I would ever hire them.

If everything else is attractive and I just do not like someone 's persona here, I would still give them a chance. Virtual and real personalities are not always consistent, and not because of lack of honesty but because of different environments. I know that for me to be as outspoken in reality as I am here takes a long time of social interaction. I recently had a conflict with one of the escorts that participates here, who strikes me as self centered, pompous and pretentious. Many of the friends in the forum who sided with me shared through PM that the guy is actually sweet and friendly. I would have never guessed.

[down_to_business]

If everything else is attractive and I just do not like someone 's persona here, I would still give them a chance. Virtual and real personalities are not always consistent, and not because of lack of honesty but because of different environments. I know that for me to be as outspoken in reality as I am here takes a long time of social interaction. I recently had a conflict with one of the escorts that participates here, who strikes me as self centered, pompous and pretentious. Many of the friends in the forum who sided with me shared through PM that the guy is actually sweet and friendly. I would have never guessed.

 

And I hope you and Mocha have a lovely evening together. Just kidding!!!

 

You make an excellent point. I sometimes feel that way about the "mysterious" jock. I think we have both pissed each other off with our posts at times but I wonder if he might actually be a good fit, escort wise, that is if he really exists .

[Juan Vancouver]

My partner and I just had an overnight with a super fun, sexy guy who hired us because of my participation here.

 

This thread was a poll, right?

[bigvalboy]

I have occasionally hired from this site, but more often, I have decided not to hire someone from here, because of angry postings they made attacking either a fellow member or another escort.

 

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them"

[actor61]

I have been sitting on this bombshell thread for a while now but the time is right to release it. After attending the Daddys' events in Palm Springs I am a bigger FAN of Daddy and this site than ever. I am a HUGE vocal supporter of the site and , over the years, have sent at least 1,000 people to the site who did not otherwise know about it. SO REMEMBER THAT AS YOU READ THIS THREAD..... Now, from 2,008-2,014, I met dozens and dozens of new clients DIRECTLY and ONLY from either the forums or the the reviews. The guys were clear that is how they found me. Here is what is sad.... I started seeing a dramatic lessening of this BEFORE rentboy was raided. Since Rentboy died the new biz from Daddys is down to almost nothing. The last one I had was last DECEMBER. The traffic and booking from my two main ads @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc and on m4rn.com is relatively consistent and I make about the same money every year. What has changed is the amount of clients from Daddys. I find that many on Daddys love to TALK about hiring and remember and reminisce about who they hired in the past or who they fantasize about hiring in the future but WHO IS HIRING NOW RIGHT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD????? Secondly: I must say that myself and the group of fellow escorts I personally know are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in the CANCELLATION rate again. Not from sleezy craigslist or backpage or app clients but from supposedly HIGH END UPSCALE major rentmen and m4rn clients who book and hold our time and then last minute CANCEL leaving us home alone and unpaid. The rate now exceeds 50% of all ADVANCE bookings. It seems that "right now" "looking now" or "available right now" is all the biz is about in 2016! WHAT A TRAVESTY!!!! RIGHT NOW or AVAILABLE NOW or LOOKING NOW (in any combination of the two) are the TWO WORDS I HATE THE MOST! What is so difficult about making and appointment a few days to a week in advance and KEEPING it??????? Lastly, WHO JUST POPS INTO TOWN like Genie out of a bottle. They know they are coming yet at 10:21 pm with no advance notice they want me to drop what I am doing and make a superman change and be at their hotel at Dulles airport (which is an hour outside of DC) in fifteen minutes. Oh, and they want a discount too. I know many of yall don't like me or what I write here but what I write is WHAT AN ESCORT HONESTLY SEES AND DEALS WITH IN A MAJOR CITY ON A DAILY BASIS...... Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

CAPITAL LETTERS!! YIKES!

[+ Keith30309]

A companion's active presence on the forum 1) tells me they are almost certainly legit, stable and professional, 2) gives me a sense of their personality, and, 3) allows me to observe other's reactions to him and what sort of experiences I might expect.

 

I hire more for personality and sensuality rather than looks and postings by a companion allow me a huge amount of insight that I could never get thru RM or elsewhere.

Anytime I've had a discussion with a new guy I've hired I've encouraged them to come here and contribute - not only for support of more experienced guys but also to allow potential clients to get to know them.

[Becket]

Michael you are obviously having a rough couple weeks. The occupation you have chosen can be stressful and even hurtful sometimes. Hang in there, buddy.

BTW, in regards to the theme of this thread, I always check Daddy's Reviews to see if there are any reviews on a particular guy I'm interested in. A review is only part of what helps me decide. Many times I can reflect afterwards that the experience of the reviewer and my own experience were not the same. (Understandably as I am sort of an "odd duck.") I enjoy reading the reviews. Sometimes they are helpful. That's about it.

Like Beyonce says: When life gives you lemons, take a bat and smash the shit out of a couple windshields. Just kidding. Kids, don't do that....

[rvwnsd]

I am almost 100% certain that what I write below will have almost 0% impact on the way you think, feel, and communicate, but what the hell? It is Sunday and I have to do something while finishing my coffee. Here goes.

 

I have been sitting on this bombshell thread for a while now but the time is right to release it. After attending the Daddys' events in Palm Springs I am a bigger FAN of Daddy and this site than ever. I am a HUGE vocal supporter of the site and , over the years, have sent at least 1,000 people to the site who did not otherwise know about it. SO REMEMBER THAT AS YOU READ THIS THREAD.....

 

Can you please, please stop using capital letters? They are difficult to read and make whatever you say appear to be the rantings of a mind-addled fool. Not saying you are a mind-addled fool, but you certainly present yourself as if you are one. Oh, one more thing. Commas are not used when expressing a year. Again, makes the post difficult to read and follow.

 

...Now, from 2,008-2,014, I met dozens and dozens of new clients DIRECTLY and ONLY from either the forums or the the reviews. The guys were clear that is how they found me. Here is what is sad.... I started seeing a dramatic lessening of this BEFORE rentboy was raided. Since Rentboy died the new biz from Daddys is down to almost nothing. The last one I had was last DECEMBER. ...

 

Could it be that the members of this site who live in/travel to DC read your posts and dismiss you based on the tone of those posts?

 

...The traffic and booking from my two main ads @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc and on m4rn.com is relatively consistent and I make about the same money every year. ...

 

Given you are paying money for those ads (and from what I understand, they aren't cheap) that's a good thing from a return on investment standpoint.

 

...What has changed is the amount of clients from Daddys....

 

So what? You don't pay anything for reviews. Regarding Forum participation, I think you have to ask yourself why you participate and what you expect to get out of doing so. If you participate because you enjoy doing so, then you are getting a decent return (enjoyment) on your investment (the time you spend here). Any business that gets generated because of your Forum participation is gravy. If you are participating because you want to generate revenue, then you might want to re-think either your reasons for participating or your participation itself. As others have pointed out, many escorts have stated they generate little business by participating in the Forum.

 

Another point to ponder: There's a decent possibility that a potential client sees your ad, likes what he sees, reads your reviews and Forum posts, and then hires you. Because he saw your ad he says "I saw your ad on RentMen..." and does not mention the Forum. I see that all the time in my professional life. We ask customers how they heard of my employer. An overwhelming percentage of them mention our TV ads. Those would be the ads we have not run in more than five years. However, they remember the ads.

 

 

...I find that many on Daddys love to TALK about hiring and remember and reminisce about who they hired in the past or who they fantasize about hiring in the future but WHO IS HIRING NOW RIGHT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD????? ...

 

You might want to re-read the posts in the Deli and re-read the reviews posted on the review site. I won't post links to the many threads in which one or more Forum member provides insight into someone they have recently hired nor will I post links to the reviews written by Forum members, as I am not out to embarrass you. However, your statement is very misleading.

 

...Secondly: I must say that myself and the group of fellow escorts I personally know are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in the CANCELLATION rate again. Not from sleezy craigslist or backpage or app clients but from supposedly HIGH END UPSCALE major rentmen and m4rn clients who book and hold our time and then last minute CANCEL leaving us home alone and unpaid. The rate now exceeds 50% of all ADVANCE bookings.

 

Here are a few things to consider:

1. Some people are assholes and time-wasters
   
2. "Life happens." Unforeseen expenses crop up, friends want to celebrate a life event, people have to work late, and people just find they are tired and not horny on the day they wanted to hire. Not saying it is a good thing and also not convinced this explains more than a small percentage of the cancellations, but it does happen
   
3. The tone and style of your posts might cause some people who booked you prior to reading your posts on the Forum to have second thoughts about you. For an example of what I am referring to, one only needs to read what you wrote next:
   

WHAT A TRAVESTY!!!! RIGHT NOW or AVAILABLE NOW or LOOKING NOW (in any combination of the two) are the TWO WORDS I HATE THE MOST! What is so difficult about making and appointment a few days to a week in advance and KEEPING it??????? Lastly, WHO JUST POPS INTO TOWN like Genie out of a bottle. They know they are coming yet at 10:21 pm with no advance notice they want me to drop what I am doing and make a superman change and be at their hotel at Dulles airport (which is an hour outside of DC) in fifteen minutes. Oh, and they want a discount too. ...

If a client wrote something like this to you would you want to rush right out and see that client?

 

...It seems that "right now" "looking now" or "available right now" is all the biz is about in 2016!

That is a huge generalization. Perhaps that is your experience, but I don't think your experience is indicative of the entire business. Rather than chalk it up to "the business" you might want to take ownership of the fact that the majority of your clients book at a moment's notice and ask yourself how you can change that. I'd also offer that you are now based in a city that attracts a lot of visitors, many of whom are visiting for business. They might not book in advance because they are unsure of their schedules and do not want to book and then be forced to cancel.

 

...I know many of yall don't like me or what I write here ...

Speaking only for myself, I find your overuse use of capital letters and run-on sentences as well as a complete lack of punctuation or clear thought to be very hard to read. It hurts my eyes and so I typically ignore you. It also obliterates your message. Based on the replies to this thread, it appears others share that same feeling.

 

...but what I write is WHAT AN ESCORT HONESTLY SEES AND DEALS WITH IN A MAJOR CITY ON A DAILY BASIS...... Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

Wrong. What you write is your perspective based on your own experience. Own that experience and stop generalizing.

[Mocha]

It's not just Mikey. Business IS at an all time Darwinism. Only the strongest are surviving. This is from someone who has been in the game since 2007. The business is also very sensitive to the sensationalism on TV. I was in L.A. last year when the Baltimore riots were happening. Affected my tour. Over the past couple years, there's been race wars, political worries, health scares, hookup apps, and now the massacre in Orlando, coincidentally the very city I planned a tour in this week (and because family). All but 1 client has vanished and I have no idea how I'm going to make ends meet because things have already dropped off in my home city. Every other week, a sensational incident throws a monkey wrench into the spirit of the business...and apart from maintaining loyalty with regulars, there's only so much else to be done.

 

The only time this whole year that business has been to the level I like was in February when guys were spending their tax returns. And you can believe, everybody who contacted me showed up. There were no race wars or massacres making people feel afraid for their safety. And EVERY client who called me, showed up. I went to Tysons Corner and had a lovely Valentine's Day. "And his bank account says comma, comma, comma. Comma, comma, I can't be no comma. It'll be an honor, take him to meet my mama..."

 

I'll also add, as it pertains greater to the topic...I think many clients search out escorts like shopping on Trivago. They'll look at all the different sites, Google you, etc...then whichever one has the most convenient email system is where you'll get their response. Saying they seen you on daddys reviews is like saying they seen you on Twitter....they almost don't want you to know they've been researching you, until you meet.

[Michael Wayne]

To answer my own question on my own thread: I just got hired from a great unnamed daddys forum member this Saturday in Chicago for an overnight. I am excited so perhaps I overstated the severity of the situation a bit. I had a bad week guys and I vented on here. I am sorry. I think what I said is true and the other thread out there I stand by but perhaps I did not phrase it or handle it correctly. Anyway I am off on my 2 week Midwest tour and I am self imposing a time out on myself from the forum to cool down and cool off. I hope to meet many of you in Pittsburgh, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Cleveland on this tour. I wish I could stay longer in each city but yall know the jock I am it is a baseball tour as I am attempting to see every major league bsseball park before my birthday in October. Kind of a gift to myself. I have 8 parks to go!!! Mikey @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

[+ Topseed]

Michael's question is interesting.

 

For me, when I hire I don't reveal the source of my information. I don't volunteer it, nor would I feel obligated to respond if asked.

 

My $0.02 .