Game of Thrones

[rocksinurhead]

I think Melissndre has figured out that Jon is/will become Azor Ahai (the prince that was promised) reborn. This would make sense if he is, in fact, Ned's bastard by Ashara Dayne. As a Dayne, Jon would be able to wield their legendary sword Dawn (Lightbringer). But then who is Rhaegar and Lyanna's child? Starting to look like that could be Daenerys. I'm not 100% convinced of R + L = D, but it's possible. If so, and if Jon is the unplanned result of a booty call between Ned (or maybe even Ned's older brother) and Ashara at the Tourney at Harrenhal, then Dany is the only character who is both ice and fire.

I, personally, am not smart enough to have pieced together all the many clues spread out over several books and come up with this alternate theory about Rhaegar and Lyanna's offspring. It is, admittedly, farfetched and therefore controversial but it seems to be gaining some credibility among hard-core Thrones nerds. In my opinion, it may explain more than the original idea that has been widely accepted for a long time already, especially considering that lemon tree (book readers, I'm talking to you). Looks like we will finally get some back story this season.

I hate to be a spoil-monger, but there is a third possible half Targ as well. May already have been mentioned here. I don't remember.

Edited April 24, 2016 by rocksinurhead

[rocksinurhead]

Some speak of another Red Witch, so perhaps this is not a Meliasandre episode after all. They do seem to enjoy prolonging mysteries so it would not surprise me if the first episode does address Jon Snow at all. If Jon Snow is not on the episode, there would be no need to credit him for this episode, adding to the speculation of his return.

HBO will probably make us wait quite a bit still to learn jon's fate. Kit Harrington can be credited in several episodes to come just for lying there as a corpse.

[rocksinurhead]

Asha/Yara will return this season. Euron and Victarion only care about getting with Dany and her dragons. Euron claims to have found the magic horn that controls dragons and turns them away from their master. In the book, Pyatt Pree makes another appearance in the mix with the Greyjoy Bros.

[+ purplekow]

Asha/Yara will return this season. Euron and Victarion only care about getting with Dany and her dragons. Euron claims to have found the magic horn that controls dragons and turns them away from their master. In the book, Pyatt Pree makes another appearance in the mix with the Greyjoy Bros.

SO many characters I have not read the books so usually I need to see the person to realize who they are. With the squire who poisoned Robert Baratheon, I did not recognize him as they either changed actors or he got a lot hunkier. Anyway it wasnt until Cerce (sp) described him did I recognize him as one of the religious zealots.

[+ poolboy48220]

SO many characters I have not read the books so usually I need to see the person to realize who they are. With the squire who poisoned Robert Baratheon, I did not recognize him as they either changed actors or he got a lot hunkier. Anyway it wasnt until Cerce (sp) described him did I recognize him as one of the religious zealots.

Agreed. That is Lancel Lannister, it's the same actor, but in the first season or two, he had awful long hair and much different mannerisms. I think the long hair was to make him look a bit like Jaime, which was why Cersei took him to bed. Once they cut his hair & had him join the Sparrows, and show a bit more chest :-), he was much hotter.

[sincitymix]

i'm very curious to see hat hbo does next. they really abandoned george r. r. martin's source material last season. does anyone know if they're even using his as yet unpublished "winds of winter"?

by the way, that handsome man to the left is obviously not me. it's (sadly gone) robb stark, king of the north. so, yeah, i'm a fan.

yeah. he wasn't writing fast enough for them. They had to diverge because the fans read the books and they wanted surprises, but then they really had to go on a tangent when they started to run out of source material

[sincitymix]

The series briefly introduced another priestess of The Lord of Light when Tyrion and Varys stopped in Volantis en route to Mereen, if my memory serves me well. It would be a possibility.

there is a priest of the light too.. in a certain cave with a certain someone who everyone thinks is dead but survived a certain hideous event

[rocksinurhead]

there is a priest of the light too.. in a certain cave with a certain someone who everyone thinks is dead but survived a certain hideous event

Do you mean Thoros? And The Hound? Or Jojen? Or Mance? He's not really dead in the books. Oh....Catelyn/Stoneheart? Must be her. I couldn't believe HBO left that part out, at least so far.

Edited April 25, 2016 by rocksinurhead

[sincitymix]

Do you mean Thoros? And The Hound? Or Jojen? Or Mance? He's not really dead in the books. Oh....Catelyn/Stoneheart? Must be her. I couldn't believe HBO left that part out, at least so far.

Yup Catelyn

[+ poolboy48220]

no big surprises in last night's show, except Melisandre at the end. Did not see THAT coming.

[+ WmClarke]

no big surprises in last night's show, except Melisandre at the end. Did not see THAT coming.

Yup. Nice and creepy, that!

[Okliehomo]

Wouldn't be surprised if what Melisandre did at the end won't in someway have an impact on bringing Jon Snow back to life. And I was surprised and happy to see Sansa and Theon rescued by Brienne who finally got to fulfill her pledge to Catelyn Stark. Will be interesting to see if Sansa with the help of Euron Greyjoy unites the North against the Boltons. And I bet that we will eventually see Lady Stoneheart as part of that... Sansa finding out that her Mother is alive and the two of them working together to exact vengeance against the Freys for the Red Wedding. Don't get much justice in Westeros so that would be cool to see.

[Phil_musc]

I thought Catelyn Stark was Sansa's mother. Am I incorrect on this?

[marylander1940]

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[+ WmClarke]

I thought Catelyn Stark was Sansa's mother. Am I incorrect on this?

You are correct.

[+ poolboy48220]

I have heard that in the books (I haven't gotten that far), Catelyn Stark survived having her throat cut at the Red Wedding. She was thrown into the river and became something mystical - probably the "Stoneheart" rocksinurhead mentioned above. So far, the show hasn't touched that plotline at all.

[rocksinurhead]

I have heard that in the books (I haven't gotten that far), Catelyn Stark survived having her throat cut at the Red Wedding. She was thrown into the river and became something mystical - probably the "Stoneheart" rocksinurhead mentioned above. So far, the show hasn't touched that plotline at all.

You're basically right. Technically Catelyn dies/does not survive. Beric and Thoros find her dead body in the river. Beric brings her back to life as Lady Stoneheart. Stoneheart is nothing like Catelyn. She exists only for revenge and killing Freys and even has Brienne hanged when she sees that Brienne has Jamie's sword, which indicates loyalty to Jamie.

Edited April 27, 2016 by rocksinurhead

[rocksinurhead]

no big surprises in last night's show, except Melisandre at the end. Did not see THAT coming.

i agree. no big surprises, not even melisandre's scene at the end. i didn't see it coming but i wasn't surprised. makes total sense to me that she's been around forever but has a way to disguise herself. maybe the magical necklace? when she takes it off, her real appearance becomes visible. that idea has been used for witches and sorceresses in old fairy tales many times.

i just don't know what that last scene means. for now, i'm interpreting it that, for so long she thought stannis was azor ahai reborn. she finally realizes that she was wrong, and that jon is azor ahai, and it's too late. jon is dead! at least for the moment. perhaps she's completely devastated? even questioning the faith that her whole life is about?

so far hbo has not used an important line for melisandre. something to the effect of....i ask the lord of light to show me azor ahai in the flames (or i search for him in the flames), and all i see is snow. unlike me, the books use proper capitalization. if my memory is correct, in that line, the word "snow" does not have a capital "s". unclear as to whether she means jon or just actual snow.

if, in fact, jon does come back to life, he does not necessarily need melisandre for that. if he's azor ahai, anything is possible. if he's not azor, but he is half targaryen, and if they burn his body, and he is "of the dragon", then he will be reborn in the flames.

the scene that got the biggest reaction from me....poor tristane martell is dead!!! the actor who played him (toby sebastian) is sooo cute. i wanted to see more of him for sure!

Edited April 27, 2016 by rocksinurhead

[sincitymix]

i agree. no big surprises, not even melisandre's scene at the end. i didn't see it coming but i wasn't surprised. makes total sense to me that she's been around forever but has a way to disguise herself. maybe the magical necklace? when she takes it off, her real appearance becomes visible. that idea has been used for witches and sorceresses in old fairy tales many times.

i just don't know what that last scene means. for now, i'm interpreting it that, for so long she thought stannis was azor ahai reborn. she finally realizes that she was wrong, and that jon is azor ahai, and it's too late. jon is dead! at least for the moment. perhaps she's completely devastated? even questioning the faith that her whole life is about?

so far hbo has not used an important line for melisandre. something to the effect of....i ask the lord of light to show me azor ahai in the flames (or i search for him in the flames), and all i see is snow. unlike me, the books use proper capitalization. if my memory is correct, in that line, the word "snow" does not have a capital "s". unclear as to whether she means jon or just actual snow.

if, in fact, jon does come back to life, he does not necessarily need melisandre for that. if he's razor ahai, anything is possible. if he's not azor, but he is half targaryen, and if they burn his body, and he is "of the dragon", then he will be reborn in the flames.

the scene that got the biggest reaction from me....poor tristane martell is dead!!! the actor who played him (toby sebastian) is sooo cute. i wanted to see more of him for sure!

Hmm im kind of thinking that when the priests/ess of Light use their powers, they use up their life force and youth...either that or she wants the blood of kings to gain youth back:P I think shes going to bring jon back from the dead.

hmmm but I do really like your jon gets reborn from a funeral pyre. its to cold at the wall to build a grave.. the ground is like iron... so I think they will go with the pyre.

[Phil_musc]

Well there is no way that Catelyn Stark is going to rescue anybody since she had her throat slit a while back.

[rocksinurhead]

Wouldn't be surprised if what Melisandre did at the end won't in someway have an impact on bringing Jon Snow back to life. And I was surprised and happy to see Sansa and Theon rescued by Brienne who finally got to fulfill her pledge to Catelyn Stark. Will be interesting to see if Sansa with the help of Euron Greyjoy unites the North against the Boltons. And I bet that we will eventually see Lady Stoneheart as part of that... Sansa finding out that her Mother is alive and the two of them working together to exact vengeance against the Freys for the Red Wedding. Don't get much justice in Westeros so that would be cool to see.

"what Melisandre did having an impact on bringing Jon back to life"...i'm wondering the same thing. probably lots of us are. do you mean trading her life for Jon's? like Beric did for Catelyn?

[rocksinurhead]

Hmm im kind of thinking that when the priests/ess of Light use their powers, they use up their life force and youth...either that or she wants the blood of kings to gain youth back:p I think shes going to bring jon back from the dead.

hmmm but I do really like your jon gets reborn from a funeral pyre. its to cold at the wall to build a grave.. the ground is like iron... so I think they will go with the pyre.

interesting

yes, they always burn bodies at the wall so the dead cannot become white walkers.

[Okliehomo]

The more that I have thought about it, I think that "Jon Snow" as we knew him is in fact dead. But something or someone will bring him back to life and his true identity will be revealed. I am betting that he is Rhaegar Targareyan and Lianna Stark. I am also betting that Catelyn Stark will be back because they are definitely doing a story about the Tullys and the siege of Riverrun.

 

Think it is also significant that Mellisandre covered herself with a blanket like she was cold.... like the fire of her faith that had always kept her red hot had deserted her.

[+ poolboy48220]

I noticed that too! She was bundled up against the cold throughout the episode (maybe even in last season's finale? Didn't notice). She always wore flimsy things before, the Lord's Light kept her warm.

[Okliehomo]

Spoiler: Don't read this if you haven't seen Ep 2.

 

Well, it was Mellisandre in the cabin with a spell of hair and blood, after all.... Seriously, thought for a moment they were going the Targareyan through the fire route..

 

And Roose Bolton, Balon Greyjoy, Walda Frey and baby Bolton... now the stage is truly set for a war for the North with the wildlings through the Wall, Theon headed to meet his uncle, Euron and Sansa and Brienne headed to Castle Black. Cool to see Bran go back in time in his mind and see Lianna Stark.... which I still say will lead to JS's real paternity.