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Hi All

 

Had a well recommended escort here over the weekend, ( 2 nights ) and had my worst experience so far.

 

On before hand I had made it clear that I am very big on male intimacy, ( snuggled up on couch together, fall asleep on his shoulder, physical closeness )

this is the most important part for me when I hire. I am single and happy, never lonely, but feel a need for intimacy, to be able

to hide in someones arms and feel the warmth and safety and just relax and enjoy the closeness.

 

Sex is secondary to me, Im very easy to satisfy and since we dont pay for it I normally dont discuss it in advance,

just wait to see what happens there when we meet. ( never had any issues there with previous escorts )

 

I paid to fly a guy in, and had a agreed upon price for the weekend. He looked good, was a nice guy but there was no interaction

at all from his side the whole weekend. I was free to lean up on him as much as i wanted but nothing in return, not even a hug.

No sign of affection or care from his side. ( wont bother you with to many boring little details ). He totally accepted that I snuggled up close to him

or had my head in his lap and so on, but he never invited me to be close, I get more attention from my therapist at the spa during a massage hour

then I got from this guy the whole weekend. It made me feel rejected and unloved which was the opposite of what i wanted.

 

As I drove him to the airport on Sunday i did have a talk to him and told him he was the worst experience i have had with escorts,

He did not get upset, he was somewhat defensive giving some lame excuses saying that he thought i wanted it that way....

and offered me to discount the rate. I ended up paying him half of what was agreed upon. Still costed me 2K with plane tickets etc for the weekend..

 

I would have gotten just as much affection/love/attention from a bag of potatoes warmed up in the microwave as I got from this guy,

but the potato sack is a heck of a lot cheaper.

 

the person recommending him told me to chalk it up on lack of chemistry between us.... I totally disagree since I know how little

it takes to make me happy and feeling loved.

 

So now what do I do? tell the world? move on? this is a new situation for me.

 

Mike

 

( I have had lots of good and some awesome experiences with

escorts before, best so far i think would be peter hung in vegas....

he made me feel like i was the king of the world.... )

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Hey Steve

 

I feel really bad for you. It sounds like your disappointment was not about the money; but about the lack of connection. I can understand; I have had similar disappointments (not exactly the same as yours) even when I wrote to the escort about my wishes and explained it to them (two differenet guys) those details in person.

 

In my case, I think one guy was straight. The other guy was so full of himself. He acted like I should be lucky to be in the same room with him. In both cases we exchanged several emails with all of the details. I am a really nice guy, down to earth, friendly and generous (to a fault).

 

Experiences will vary. Clients must be clear as to their expectations. I would hope (silly me) that escorts would be honest in their response. For example; in your case he should have said he is not that personal or connected with his clients.

 

Again, I feel sorry for your disappointment. I am not sure; but perhaps the only protection that we have is this web site. The fair and honest reviews posted here are valuable. We don't want to waste our money or feelings.

 

All the best

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I hope that you'll write a review. If he is well recommended here, there is a good chance that you'll get some blowback from his fans, but don't let that deter you from doing the review. I know that this is not the first time that someone here has had a disappointing experience with a well-reviewed escort, and it usually goes unreported. That doesn't really help anyone.

 

When writing the review, try to keep it objective and factual. It sounds like he wasn't all bad, so include his good points also (i.e. matched his description, was nice, etc.). It also seems that he showed some integrity when agreeing to cut his fee in half; that will definitely help him. It's possible that the two of you failed to "click" because he just wasn't comfortable with a laid-back low-activity weekend of snuggling on the couch. (I'm just guessing here.) If you write a review, you'll help him, and future potential clients, understand where his strengths lie... perhaps not in low-key bfe weekends.

 

The escort will get the final word in his response to your review. If he is truly a professional, and as good as his recommendations suggest, he'll write a well worded response with humility and candor. His stellar reputation may be dinged a little, but not destroyed.

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Hey Steve

 

I feel really bad for you. It sounds like your disappointment was not about the money; but about the lack of connection. I can understand; I have had similar disappointments (not exactly the same as yours) even when I wrote to the escort about my wishes and explained it to them (two differenet guys) those details in person...

 

Experiences will vary. Clients must be clear as to their expectations. I would hope (silly me) that escorts would be honest in their response. For example; in your case he should have said he is not that personal or connected with his clients.

 

Again, I feel sorry for your disappointment. I am not sure; but perhaps the only protection that we have is this web site. The fair and honest reviews posted here are valuable. We don't want to waste our money or feelings.

 

All the best

 

I agree. You should absolutely write a review with much the same information you put forth here. Be completely honest but as kind as possible about the lack of interaction on his part. If you felt his lame excuses were lame, be specific. Don't be afraid of writing that this was your worst escort experience with all the reasons why! Note that he did give you a discount once you told him how you felt. Maybe if you'd had that talk with him the 1st day, he'd have been more what you wanted.

 

Still, if you had so little chemistry that he could not tell that you were unhappy with the weekend until you finally told him at the end of your time together, he is obviously the wrong guy for you. As some have said before, it is often a good thing to travel to an escort who interests you for a shorter session before flying them in for a weekend or longer period. Back to the review, if there was no real ill-will between you, don't be mean, just be honest. he will have the option of addressing your review from his viewpoint if he chooses to do so. Good luck in the future, Mike.

 

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If I might be so bold (and apologize for the requisite ad):

 

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I get the sense that maybe the OP wasn't quite as clear as he might have been:

 

 

"Sex is secondary to me, Im very easy to satisfy and since we dont pay for it I normally dont discuss it in advance,

just wait to see what happens there when we meet. ( never had any issues there with previous escorts ) "

 

Perhaps others were more in tune with your desires. I met someone semi-annually for four years, and

had a great time ... but there was no interaction the last time. Scenario just as you described.

 

Does it just happen? Yes. Can you prevent it? Possibly.

 

Best of luck in the future. I look for a similar interaction here in Beantown, and ... I've been thwarted at

each intersection.

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Please don't interpret this reply as blowback or as criticism of you, your expectations, or what you wrote. I'm trying to frame what you described as happening in a different light as seen by an outside observer.

 

...Had a well recommended escort here over the weekend, ( 2 nights ) and had my worst experience so far.

 

Before hiring a guy for an overnight or a weekend it is a good idea to try him out for an hour or two first. That is a great way to determine whether he is someone you can successfully spend an weekend with. It also breaks the ice in advance of a longer hire.

 

... before hand I had made it clear that I am very big on male intimacy, ( snuggled up on couch together, fall asleep on his shoulder, physical closeness )

this is the most important part for me when I hire. I...feel a need for intimacy, to be able to hide in someones arms and feel the warmth and safety and just relax and enjoy the closeness...

 

So far, so good. Sort of. You told him you like to be snuggled up, fall asleep on his shoulder, etc.

 

 

...I was free to lean up on him as much as i wanted but nothing in return, not even a hug. No sign of affection or care from his side. ( wont bother you with to many boring little details ). He totally accepted that I snuggled up close to him or had my head in his lap and so on, but he never invited me to be close...

 

But did you mention to him in your pre-weekend chat that you like for your partner to initiate the intimacy? Based on what you have described, it sounds like you told him you liked kissing, cuddling, putting your head on his shoulder or lap, etc, but I don't hear that you mentioned you wanted him to invite you to do so. This will sound like I am splitting hairs, but he might have been following your lead.

 

...As I drove him to the airport on Sunday i did have a talk to him and told him he was the worst experience i have had with escorts,

He did not get upset, he was somewhat defensive giving some lame excuses saying that he thought i wanted it that way...

 

Based on what you just wrote, what he thought you wanted was different than what you actually wanted. There was a communication breakdown. Granted, it had an expensive consequence but it was a communication breakdown, nonetheless.

 

...the person recommending him told me to chalk it up on lack of chemistry between us.... I totally disagree since I know how little

it takes to make me happy and feeling loved...

 

Two things:

 

1) You wanted someone who would behave affectionately toward you without your initiating the affection and the guy did not do that. He waited for you to initiate. I would not say there was a lack of chemistry. Instead, I would say he was not a good fit.

 

2) There can still be a lack of chemistry despite how little it takes to make you happy. I can think of a hire where I wanted to suck a guy's cock and feel his hairy chest. Pretty simple and not much to ask, right? Wrong. The guy just wouldn't shut up. A little dirty talk is OK, but I didn't need a dissertation. I finally asked him to stop talking and fantasized about a guy who had retired just before this encounter. Thank goodness I hired him for an hour!

 

... So now what do I do? tell the world? move on? this is a new situation for me.

 

I think you should write a review. However, this is going to be a tricky one to write. You had an expectation that wasn't met, but it seems like the escort felt he did exactly what you wanted him to do. If I was you, I would be honest about his failure to initiate any intimate contact but at the same time be honest about the things he did well, such as accepting your overtures of intimate contact. That's a key point. Someone like me, who does not feel the need for the escort to initiate (not that I don't like an escort to start things off, but I am perfectly content starting things off myself)might be a good fit for this escort. I think it might also stave off some of the potential blowback that another poster mentioned.

 

As I said when I started, I hope you don't interpret this as criticism of you. It is just my observation based on what you wrote.

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Please don't interpret this reply as blowback or as criticism of you, your expectations, or what you wrote. I'm trying to frame what you described as happening in a different light as seen by an outside observer.

 

 

 

Before hiring a guy for an overnight or a weekend it is a good idea to try him out for an hour or two first. That is a great way to determine whether he is someone you can successfully spend an weekend with. It also breaks the ice in advance of a longer hire.

 

 

 

So far, so good. Sort of. You told him you like to be snuggled up, fall asleep on his shoulder, etc.

 

 

 

 

But did you mention to him in your pre-weekend chat that you like for your partner to initiate the intimacy? Based on what you have described, it sounds like you told him you liked kissing, cuddling, putting your head on his shoulder or lap, etc, but I don't hear that you mentioned you wanted him to invite you to do so. This will sound like I am splitting hairs, but he might have been following your lead.

 

 

 

Based on what you just wrote, what he thought you wanted was different than what you actually wanted. There was a communication breakdown. Granted, it had an expensive consequence but it was a communication breakdown, nonetheless.

 

 

 

Two things:

 

1) You wanted someone who would behave affectionately toward you without your initiating the affection and the guy did not do that. He waited for you to initiate. I would not say there was a lack of chemistry. Instead, I would say he was not a good fit.

 

2) There can still be a lack of chemistry despite how little it takes to make you happy. I can think of a hire where I wanted to suck a guy's cock and feel his hairy chest. Pretty simple and not much to ask, right? Wrong. The guy just wouldn't shut up. A little dirty talk is OK, but I didn't need a dissertation. I finally asked him to stop talking and fantasized about a guy who had retired just before this encounter. Thank goodness I hired him for an hour!

 

 

 

I think you should write a review. However, this is going to be a tricky one to write. You had an expectation that wasn't met, but it seems like the escort felt he did exactly what you wanted him to do. If I was you, I would be honest about his failure to initiate any intimate contact but at the same time be honest about the things he did well, such as accepting your overtures of intimate contact. That's a key point. Someone like me, who does not feel the need for the escort to initiate (not that I don't like an escort to start things off, but I am perfectly content starting things off myself)might be a good fit for this escort. I think it might also stave off some of the potential blowback that another poster mentioned.

 

As I said when I started, I hope you don't interpret this as criticism of you. It is just my observation based on what you wrote.

 

Well said!

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I empathize with you. I have had some negative experiences also and like you, I love initiation of affection by the partner. Like you, in my early encounters I failed to bring up things which concerned me as the appointment progressed, so that by the end, I was just ready for it to be over. I feel that I could have salvaged and reversed some sessions which ended poorly, by simply better explaining my expectations as the appointment progressed. I am pretty good at that now. Sometimes I even make light of my expectations, laughingly saying something like, "now is the time you are supposed to pretend to be in love with me."

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Please don't interpret this reply as blowback or as criticism of you, your expectations, or what you wrote. I'm trying to frame what you described as happening in a different light as seen by an outside observer.

 

 

 

Before hiring a guy for an overnight or a weekend it is a good idea to try him out for an hour or two first. That is a great way to determine whether he is someone you can successfully spend an weekend with. It also breaks the ice in advance of a longer hire.

 

 

 

So far, so good. Sort of. You told him you like to be snuggled up, fall asleep on his shoulder, etc.

 

 

 

 

But did you mention to him in your pre-weekend chat that you like for your partner to initiate the intimacy? Based on what you have described, it sounds like you told him you liked kissing, cuddling, putting your head on his shoulder or lap, etc, but I don't hear that you mentioned you wanted him to invite you to do so. This will sound like I am splitting hairs, but he might have been following your lead.

 

 

 

Based on what you just wrote, what he thought you wanted was different than what you actually wanted. There was a communication breakdown. Granted, it had an expensive consequence but it was a communication breakdown, nonetheless.

 

 

 

Two things:

 

1) You wanted someone who would behave affectionately toward you without your initiating the affection and the guy did not do that. He waited for you to initiate. I would not say there was a lack of chemistry. Instead, I would say he was not a good fit.

 

2) There can still be a lack of chemistry despite how little it takes to make you happy. I can think of a hire where I wanted to suck a guy's cock and feel his hairy chest. Pretty simple and not much to ask, right? Wrong. The guy just wouldn't shut up. A little dirty talk is OK, but I didn't need a dissertation. I finally asked him to stop talking and fantasized about a guy who had retired just before this encounter. Thank goodness I hired him for an hour!

 

 

 

I think you should write a review. However, this is going to be a tricky one to write. You had an expectation that wasn't met, but it seems like the escort felt he did exactly what you wanted him to do. If I was you, I would be honest about his failure to initiate any intimate contact but at the same time be honest about the things he did well, such as accepting your overtures of intimate contact. That's a key point. Someone like me, who does not feel the need for the escort to initiate (not that I don't like an escort to start things off, but I am perfectly content starting things off myself)might be a good fit for this escort. I think it might also stave off some of the potential blowback that another poster mentioned.

 

As I said when I started, I hope you don't interpret this as criticism of you. It is just my observation based on what you wrote.

 

Well said!

 

I have a different take from RVWNSD. First let me mention an experience of my own from several years ago. I had hired a 22 year old who had been escorting about a year. He had a nicely put together escort ad on Rentboy. His self description was of a muscular young jock which I liked ( although usually I go for guys older than 22). Most of the Primary Interests that he mentioned coincided with my own very vanilla leanings. When we spoke I told him what my vanilla leanings were including deep passionate kissing. I also told him some of the outside bedroom activities I was planning like going to a play/musical, a wine tasting ( now the wine tasting was a bit unusual because it was on a tour ship in the harbor and I hadn't told him that part- but I get bored just sitting in a wine shop), and doing some scheduled tours around the resort area. When I had described all this, he said it sounded great. That he would enjoy those activities.

 

So he arrives. We eat dinner. He's somewhat on the quiet side seems a bit reserved during dinner. After dinner we get back to a nice hotel I had chosen ( we met at a resort type place). After we showered, I made the move to kiss. Well he did French kiss but you could only just barely call it that as he only used the tip of his tongue. The rest of the private time was ok- but not spectacular. Now I'm not a great lover. And I don't want someone to lie to me and say they are feeling ecstatic during sex if they aren't, but for the cost of a weekend I would like him to show at least a little enthusiasm for having sex- show that he was happy to be there. I mean he did know why he was visiting me for the weekend.

 

But then- let's talk about outside the bedroom activities. We had the wine tasting as I described above. He didn't particularly like the venue- but he did like the wine. In fact during discussions during the weekend, I found out that he was 'no stranger to strong spirits'. But he didn't get drunk with me- so I didn't really care. The following day we got up, I was planning on us going on some day tours- maybe two of them- one hour each. So we have eaten lunch. I'm about to get us to the tours, he says he doesn't really like going on tours. So we go back to the hotel and watch TV until dinner. Later that night we go to a musical. Well he had told me he liked theater when we were arranging things. But it turns out the only show he's ever really liked was 'Kinky Boots'. He had seen musicals like 'Lez Miz, Phantom, Lion-King, and Wicked' and hated them. So as we are leaving the theater, he says something like, " You know you picked things to do that a guy your age likes and not someone my age." To recap then--the musical I chose I guess would not have been his choice, he didn't like the wine tasting venue but did like the wine, and wasn't into touring the area. Well on one hand I'm guilty- but I had asked him when we were setting up the weekend if he liked those kind of activities, and he had said yes. (If he had told me he wasn't really into those kind of activities- even as much as I liked his look- I probably wouldn't have hired him). And on the other hand even at the age of 22, I would have enjoyed the activities I picked). As I told him that evening, I was not going to take him 'clubbing'. I didn't even go 'clubbing' that often back when I was in college- I went but not that often. So if he was expecting that we were going to be going out to a lot of bars, he was with the wrong client.

 

Now obviously all escorts aren't alike. But if an escort is going to succeed, usually they have to be a people person. And when they are going on a weekend with someone, they should at least try to act IMHO as if they are visiting a distant acquaintance maybe and show some interest in the client and what the client wants to do. Especially for a weekend if the client describes things either sexually for 'play' time, it seems to me the escort ough to maybe take some notes of make an effort to remember. And if he is not into what the client wants to do as described during the arranging- then the escort ought to be honest enough to say that he doesn't think he's a good fit for the client. The same thing goes for the outside the bedroom activities. If it's something the escort really isn't interested in- and if it's something he hasn't done before- he should at least try to keep an open mind on the experience. Now admittedly everyone is new sometime- and I could see cutting the escort some slack if they are not very experienced and still learning the ropes. I am so supposing that Steve (the OP) or any other client that this happens to is an average fairly normal, reasonable guy.

 

And in the OP's case specifically, if the escort had a normal understanding of people, and the OP had made it plain that he likes affection and the escort didn't even really reciprocate with Steve trying to snuggle, then I have to think that there is a large possibility that the escort didn't really care what the client wanted. It sounds as if he were trying to do the minimum he could to get by. Assuming that Steve the OP is a nice normal average guy, and the escort the same, then I'd certainly classify the escort as only being mediocre at escorting. Maybe he's not designed personality-wise for long extended appointments.

 

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Well said!

 

+1 - As I read the OP's comments and then the responses, I was putting together a response but this had all the details.

 

BUT to remind newer guys here of something said OFTEN -- when you hire someone for more than an hour or two - and especially for an overnight or weekend, best to KNOW him for an hour or two first before making such a proposal.

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I also encourage you to write a review. I had a bad experience with a very well reviewed escort and didn't write one. Now that the 'statute of limitations' has expired, I regret not writing it. Every time I see someone recommend this guy I cringe.

 

And the thought that kept running through my head was that if Steve was clear about enjoying intimacy/closeness, it doesn't take a genius to realize that means reciprocated, even a little bit. When someone rests their head on your lap, it's not a great leap to just put your arm around them or rub their shoulders. Sounds to me like that's all he expected, and even that minimum wasn't offered.

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If he's that detached, he's a dud. Tell the story, so others will know. Reviews and recommendations are just an indicator, but your mileage will vary. Clients who rave about hiring an escort for an hour or two does not correlate to hiring that guy for a weekend. Your input needs to be shared, so tell the story.

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The "hour or two" advice often is impractical (the client lives far away or in a place with a limited choice of locals) and often a poor predictor of what may happen in a longer appointment. I would encourage a review and one that is dispassionate and detailed enough that it is difficult to convincingly rebut. The best way to think about this "hobby" is as a "hobby" much like travel or a relatively expensive one off like going to the theater with good tickets. A nice weekend getaway can be ruined by weather or an unscrupulous innkeeper. A good play can have an off night or simply not be a good play. Your experience sucked and it sounded like you gave it your best shot. A review is your recourse. You may find that you're not the first to have this experience with this guy and all it takes is for someone to write a review.

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It’s been discussed numerous times in this forum that clients have a tendency to post only positive reviews or negative reviews only if there’s been some extreme degree of deception by the escort. Reviews of unexceptional sessions or those where the client thinks he bears some responsibility for a less than stellar session just do not get posted. That’s too bad because no one ever hires hoping to have a mediocre experience. Keep this in mind when considering hiring someone based solely on their good reviews.

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And the thought that kept running through my head was that if Steve was clear about enjoying intimacy/closeness, it doesn't take a genius to realize that means reciprocated, even a little bit. When someone rests their head on your lap, it's not a great leap to just put your arm around them or rub their shoulders. Sounds to me like that's all he expected, and even that minimum wasn't offered.

 

This is how I read the OP as well. Any escort with a modicum of sense would put his arm around a client who "snuggled up close to him" or rub the client's back or play with his hair when the client "had [his] head in [the escort's] lap." If the escort didn't do those things, it's his fault. Steve shouldn't have to tell the guy to hug back. Even if others think a client should have to explain to an escort when and how to display affection, Steve should post a review letting others know that this guy needs to be given such instructions so that others will know that such prompting is required.

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The "hour or two" advice often is impractical (the client lives far away or in a place with a limited choice of locals).

 

This has been batted back and forth for years here - my take is that rather than take the huge risk of flying in an absolute DUD and being out of all the money, give yourself a day off and fly to HIS city, check in to a nice hotel (or not so nice) hire him for an hour or two, and then get a meal out, take a walk, soak up the culture and life of the city you are visiting etc... and you end up getting FFM credits too and -- if worse comes to worse -- you may find a better escort option while there.

 

Admittedly some gentlemen here cannot afford that luxury of time and so before they hire a guy they should do in-depth research on the character of the guy they want to meet (checking reviews [no reviews are a bad sign], and even more, asking here if anyone has met the guy, and then send a private message to the reviewer to ask more specific questions.

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So I have a follow up question:

 

Is this the right forum to stat that the escort I hired was John in Miami, one of Dave / Man to Man agency guys?

 

And is this the right forum to say that I contacted Dave after dropping off the escort, via email, and he initially was

very upset and said he would look into this and try to figure out what went so wrong. 2 Days later i nudged Dave via email for feedback

and he said he had sent John a text and told John to call if he wanted to talk but he had not heard anything at all back from him,

so Dave told me we should just "chalk it up to bad chemistry between you guys " and that all i heard from Dave since.

 

Is this the right forum to say this or?

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So I have a follow up question:

 

Is this the right forum to stat that the escort I hired was John in Miami, one of Dave / Man to Man agency guys?

 

And is this the right forum to say that I contacted Dave after dropping off the escort, via email, and he initially was

very upset and said he would look into this and try to figure out what went so wrong. 2 Days later i nudged Dave via email for feedback

and he said he had sent John a text and told John to call if he wanted to talk but he had not heard anything at all back from him,

so Dave told me we should just "chalk it up to bad chemistry between you guys " and that all i heard from Dave since.

 

Is this the right forum to say this or?

 

I cannot comment on the specifics of your encounter with one of Dave's boys. However, I have been doing business with Dave for a few years and think highly of him. I recently had an unsatisfactory experience with one of Dave's boys in New York. He responded promptly to my inquiry and thanked me for the feedback. I decided not to hire his boy again (he is transitioning into a new career anyway), but I will certainly continue working with Dave and his agency.

 

And yes, bad chemistry does exist.

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Later that night we go to a musical. Well he had told me he liked theater when we were arranging things. But it turns out the only show he's ever really liked was 'Kinky Boots'. He had seen musicals like 'Lez Miz, Phantom, Lion-King, and Wicked' and hated them. So as we are leaving the theater, he says something like, " You know you picked things to do that a guy your age likes and not someone my age."

 

That's just BS. First, you're paying him a handsome fee to watch a show, and he complains you didn't choose a show that would work for him?

 

Second, I'm probably closer to the escort's age than yours. I've seen all of those except the Lion King and enjoyed them. I'll admit that the Lion King wouldn't be a first choice, but if I was being paid, the range of shows I would enjoy would expand dramatically.

 

It made me feel rejected and unloved which was the opposite of what i wanted. [...]I totally disagree since I know how little

it takes to make me happy and feeling loved.

 

It sounds like the escort put forth some effort but was prepared for a weekend of heavy duty sex, not intimacy. In any case, it made me so sad to read this. I hope you can find someone to make you feel loved.

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It sounds like the escort put forth some effort but was prepared for a weekend of heavy duty sex, not intimacy. In any case, it made me so sad to read this. I hope you can find someone to make you feel loved.

 

Lol, or not. I did what I could to get some "heavy duty sex" too, Intimacy is my big thing but I love sex too,

but i still dont know how he looks fully nude after 2 nights together!

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It sounds like the escort put forth some effort but was prepared for a weekend of heavy duty sex, not intimacy. In any case, it made me so sad to read this. I hope you can find someone to make you feel loved.

 

Lol, or not. I did what I could to get some "heavy duty sex" too, Intimacy is my big thing but I love sex too,

but i still dont know how he looks fully nude after 2 nights together!

WHAT???????? I did not have a great response when I called Dave about a bad experience, but in retrospect that case may have been bad chemistry. This sounds like a rip off and you definitely need to write a review. Why wasnt he out the door on day 1 is my question.
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