BAD experience - what now?

[BaronArtz]

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Lol, or not. I did what I could to get some "heavy duty sex" too, Intimacy is my big thing but I love sex too,

but i still dont know how he looks fully nude after 2 nights together!

 

I am sorry to read this. That's just awful - 2 nights is a long time.

[adriano46]

In reading through this, I am more amazed at the information that "I still don't know how he looks fully nude after 2 nights together!" WHAT???

 

I find the response from Dave at "Man to Man Agency Guys" very awkward - and hope it is incorrect or his own cred becomes questionable if this is all he can say after a client spends so much and gets what??? A dud??? A product that has "expired" (that is how I read "bad chemistry -- that the escort could not/would not perform.) Come on, Dave - that would not fly with many men here who hire! The only reason I ever used agencies in the past (and don't now) was to more or less guarantee that I would get what I was paying for (and agencies, we all know cost MORE, not less). With an agency, you had someone you could go to if the experience proved a disaster - as this has -- and either get some retribution back or some alternative arrangement.

 

BTW - if I hire anyone for an hour or more, it is definitely NOT to see them clothed after the first 5 minutes. That a hire would be prancing around in my hotel or apartment even partially clothed all the time?? No way. I would have insisted on mutual showers, sleeping nude together, hanging out (in every way) in the apartment/hotel room -- sure I can understand once the fun is over some guys (myself included, truth be told, prefer sleeping with boxer shorts or something but THE WHOLE DAMN WEEKEND!!!

 

Dave -- if you read this -- the escort in question should be reprimanded and perhaps "fired'. Telling a client who put out this money that "It was maybe bad chemistry!" does not fly -- we PAY FOR THE ILLUSION and so if he could not give it, so no pay. Or at least a rebate, discount, or some other way of compensation is how a good businessman would operate -- heck this escort comes across as a rip off artist, and DEFINITELY A REVIEW SHOULD BE POSTED.

[Steve9332]

In reading through this, I am more amazed at the information that "I still don't know how he looks fully nude after 2 nights together!" WHAT???

 

I find the response from Dave at "Man to Man Agency Guys" very awkward - and hope it is incorrect or his own cred becomes questionable if this is all he can say after a client spends so much and gets what???

 

I did not post who the escort was or that it was Dave's agency first because I wanted some feed back from you guy's, but also I wanted to give Dave a chance to make thing right.

But after his follow up email to me i got really dissapointed with him, felt like he did not care at all. Here is a quote from the email I got from him.

 

"No feedback really. I texted John to call me if he wanted to talk -- but so far he has not. I guess we just hafta chalk it up to a lack of chemistry between you two. "

 

There was nothing wrong with the chemistry from my side, I wanted to eat the cake and then eat it again... =) and I agree with Adriano46, we pay for the illusion of affection or

"chemistry", Imagine if my massage therapist would charge me for my regular 1 hour deep tissue massage and then just stand there and look at me, stating he wont touch me

because there aint no chemistry....

[BaronArtz]

I did not post who the escort was or that it was Dave's agency first because I wanted some feed back from you guy's, but also I wanted to give Dave a chance to make thing right.

But after his follow up email to me i got really dissapointed with him, felt like he did not care at all. Here is a quote from the email I got from him.

 

"No feedback really. I texted John to call me if he wanted to talk -- but so far he has not. I guess we just hafta chalk it up to a lack of chemistry between you two. "

 

There was nothing wrong with the chemistry from my side, I wanted to eat the cake and then eat it again... =) and I agree with Adriano46, we pay for the illusion of affection or

"chemistry", Imagine if my massage therapist would charge me for my regular 1 hour deep tissue massage and then just stand there and look at me, stating he wont touch me

because there aint no chemistry....

 

What is even more amazing is that Dave confirms in his email to you that he hasn't been able to speak with 'John'. That is a problem all by itself. If I were Dave (which I am not), I would seriously ask myself whether 'John' should continue to be affiliated with his agency ... There is a serious client complaint, and he can't talk to his boy? Think of the reputational loss to Dave and his agency. My speculation: this escort is totally burnt out and just doesn't care anymore.

 

Although it is too late in the game now, I am still willing to hear what the escort has to say.

 

A review would be interesting. On the other hand, the sum of all the posts on this subject constitute quite a negative review already!

[jimboivyo]

sorry for the bad experience.don't let it throw you. a lot of great escorts out there

 

most aren't agency affiliated. agencies are a dying breed any way

[Bart]

Hey Steve, I have been in your shoes. I use to hire like you a double night, fly guys in, I live in area escorts rarely step foot in. Things don't work out you right the review. I have twice but have had more that I did not. I find intimacy one of the tough items to bring to the table but like you I seek it and relish it. When it happens and I do find I get more often than not shorter and longer appts. I am always amazed at the men who provide this for me. In your case I can not believe 1. the guy was never nude, what never showered or was it only behind a closed bathroom door. 2. You gave him all the signals, but there are some guys you need to hit over the head with a brick, honestly I have only seen that happen when they really don't want to be there and give you that feeling. 3. I saw his reviews I have no clue how he could not pick up on this with you. 4. Most guys ask how they are doing or what can they do for you. Unfortunately some you just have to tell them to your face. 5. I would write review and see what kind of response you get back.

[loverboy95]

Steve, I would certainly love to read your review if you decide to post it!

[BabyBoomer]

Dave from Man to Man is a forum member & posts here too. When are we going to hear from him?

~Boomer~

[Steve9332]

He must be sticking his head in the sand. I have not heard anything more from about about the horrible experience with his guy he so recommended .

 

Mike

[+ azdr0710]

three sides to every story....

[Frequentflier]

three sides to every story....

 

Except when one won't tell his.

[Steve9332]

Except when one won't tell his.

 

Sometimes silence speaks more then words.....

[rvwnsd]

Except when one won't tell his.

 

Sometimes silence speaks more then words.....

 

What do you expect Dave to say that he hasn't already said privately?

[littlenut]

How would Dave even know to read this thread?

[Steve9332]

What do you expect Dave to say that he hasn't already said privately?

 

At least I would expect him to get back to me after talking to HIS guy, the guy he charged me to set me up with,

and give some kind of explanation to what the heck happened. For him to just ignore the whole situation without

talking to John is outrageous. He is running a agency but take no responsibility for what happens, it seems like

all he cares about is that he got his referral fee.

 

Best case scenario he could tell me he sends me one of his other guys for free to make up for it.... then he would have

a customer for life.... =)

[BabyBoomer]

How would Dave even know to read this thread?

 

Dave has logged in a couple times in the last few days, both times viewing this thread.

~Boomer~

[BaronArtz]

As a post-mortem to this: some personal observations about 'John'.

 

Admin note: and way too much personal information.

[LouieD]

An interesting story. One that has been played out many times before. If "John" was smart enough to graduate law school and land a job at a prestigious law firm, then he should also have been smart enough to realize that the situation he is now in would be the likely result of the path he chose to follow.

 

I sympathize completely with the client and have little, if any sympathy for "John".

[Steve9332]

Admin note: way too much personal information.

 

Hi Baron

Yes that sounds about right based on what John shared with me, and you decided to share with the world?

 

and yes the pictures of him are way old. He does not look like the pics on the web at all. He is much bigger now, but it is all solid muscles, he is totally

into body building. It was kind of like expecting Matthew McConaughey and meeting the hulk!

So he is definitely not out of shape at all, just huge. ( wonder why a agency cant provide fresh pic's of what they offer? )

[Steve9332]

An interesting story. One that has been played out many times before. If "John" was smart enough to graduate law school and land a job at a prestigious law firm, then he should also have been smart enough to realize that the situation he is now in would be the likely result of the path he chose to follow.

 

I sympathize completely with the client and have little, if any sympathy for "John".

 

Thanks! =)

[Steve9332]

Dave has logged in a couple times in the last few days, both times viewing this thread.

~Boomer~

 

No posting from Dave here and I have not heard anything more from Dave personally either.

Have put Dave and Man to Man agency on my NOT TO DO list...

 

Mike

[excelntsvc]

can i be the only one who's wondering why you did not speak up sooner? you hired for 2 days and it seems like you knew within 2 hours it was not working. waiting until the ride to the airport seems passive aggressive at best. we've all had bad hires ... addressing it earlier mighthave produced more effort on the part of the escort ... now it seems like you're just begging for sympathy ... speak up!

[adriano46]

excelntsvc -- it is true it would be better to speak up, but sometimes it just is not that easy.

 

I mistakenly invited an escort to the Big Apple for a 4-day visit (had met him in his home area of LV and should have learned my lesson when he flaked out on part of the date -- and then came crying a day later to apologize with weak excuses, but he had a body that was really HOT and my little eye overtook my brain).

 

So, spent money on a ticket to NY for 4 nights; made arrangements at a centrally located hotel on the West Side of Manhatten, got him (at his request) tickets to one of THE hottest musicals at the time (which, BTW I absolutely hated sitting through -- it was LION KING and to this day I have hated it); got him a pass to a high scale gym for the time he was in NYC, took him shopping (damn he had expensive taste), to dinners (damn he horrid table manners); and did everything possible to make his time in NYC (during a snowy February) enjoyable (despite fact he would not even wake up before 12 noon every day, and I am a morning person!). It was ZERO. Sex was almost non-existent (in fact... never really got to first base). I discovered he was addicted to some drugs as well as having ADD or whatever and some other syndrome, and came from a very bad family situation (all that came out on the first night at dinner). If anything he was coming across as fragile and possibly volatile.

 

What were my choices? Throw away the theatre tickets, change his airline ticket, or throw him out of the hotel in the freezing cold weather (he also showed up without proper winter clothes, so more $$$)???? What saved the day for me was an escort acquaintance arrived in NYC after (for him) a disastrous 9-day cruise of the Caribbean and was stranded. I was able to get him a separate room in the hotel for 5 days until his then BF would arrive from Amsterdam. He came to my rescue - noticed how crappy my 4-day wonder boy from LV was acting and took it upon himself to a) move into our suite (it was big enough); b) give me a LOT of the sex I had missed (and all for free); and c) made it a point to top that LV guy so that he would become more submissive and grateful in the future. Sounds harsh but had my friend not shown up it would have been worse.

 

Long story short - sometimes when you fly in an escort and put out the money in advance, you are left with few options but to suck it up (figuratively, since you aren't getting such action realistically) and chalk it up as a warning for the future.

 

For me - no more blind date overnights or extended visits. I invite guys who I know - and know well, and know there IS chemistry before committing to anything more than 2 hours, and only with the most sure escorts do I fly them in or have them travel long distances to me.

 

One added thought - I used to use agencies because there was a hopeful trust that whoever was sent over would be able to "perform" no matter what. I knew they were not foolproof (hired on guy who showed up high, drunk, smelly and downright disgusting) -- but because it was an agency, I could complain, and the agency director made it up to me. Here -- Dave is falling way down IMHO.

[excelntsvc]

if you let someone take advantage of you, they will take advantage of you

and you let that guy walk all over you

[rvwnsd]

excelntsvc -- it is true it would be better to speak up, but sometimes it just is not that easy...

 

In the OP's case, it was as easy as calling the agency as soon as he realized there was a problem with the time he was having with the escort.

 

...So, spent money on a ticket to NY for 4 nights; made arrangements at a centrally located hotel on the West Side of Manhatten, got him (at his request) tickets to one of THE hottest musicals at the time (which, BTW I absolutely hated sitting through -- it was LION KING and to this day I have hated it); got him a pass to a high scale gym for the time he was in NYC, took him shopping (damn he had expensive taste), to dinners (damn he horrid table manners); and did everything possible to make his time in NYC (during a snowy February) enjoyable (despite fact he would not even wake up before 12 noon every day, and I am a morning person!)...

 

The escort's behavior aside, this sounds a little excessive, particularly when spent on someone you did not know.

 

...For me - no more blind date overnights or extended visits. I invite guys who I know - and know well, and know there IS chemistry before committing to anything more than 2 hours, and only with the most sure escorts do I fly them in or have them travel long distances to me....

 

An expensive way to learn that lesson, but at least you learned it.

 

...Here -- Dave is falling way down IMHO.

 

Without all of the facts, we can't make that statement.