A disturbing and sickening truth

[Xander]

Wrap it up, always.

Direct link foud here: http://i.imgur.com/389vc73.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/389vc73.jpg

[+ Gar1eth]

This makes me never want to have sex again. YUCK!!!

 

Gman

[+ purplekow]

Disturbing. Hard to believe that one could not identify these posters as pathologic when you met them, but I guess keeping yourself unsuspeted is part of the thrill of this horrific game.

[EZEtoGRU]

I suspect some of this is just story-telling which makes for more shocking reading......although there are probably folks out there that want to infect others (or be infected). In the end, everyone has to take precautions and assume all their partners are POZ (and therefore always use protection). Any NEG person that is going let some hot guy fuck him raw and cum in his ass (and then turns out to be POZ as a result of the encounter), has no-one to blame but himself. I am continually shocked by the amount of unsafe anal intercourse that is going on in the gay community........especially amongst young gay men. Its rampant and its frightening.

[shadowcatzxxx]

If those conversations are for real, there are some people who are beyond simply mentally ill, they are sociopaths and much much worse. I don't have adequate words to describe them.

 

I am hoping against hope that a lot of them are just writing fiction that somehow turns on their sick, twisted minds. Wonder also if some of those might be posted by homophobes who want to create "evidence" that all gays are sick/twisted.

 

Whatever the story is, they make me sick to my stomach. I can't think about them too much, because I'd get depressed. When I think of all my friends who work in HIV prevention and treatment, I get this hopeless sinking feeling in the bottom of my stomach if this is the reality they are dealing with.

 

There is nothing "wrong" with being HIV+; I have a number of positive friends and acquaintances who are all wonderful people, and who would never think, and most certainly never act, in this way. I am of the generation that saw terrifying numbers of friends killed by HIV, and although the disease is no longer a short-term death sentence, it sure ain't a cakewalk either. If any of those posters could somehow experience what people living with HIV go through - maybe through some kind of virtual reality simulator ... just for a few days - perhaps they would rethink things.

 

In the meantime, we should all be shocked by, and try to do whatever we can to oppose, the amount of unsafe sex that is happening, particularly among young kids. I talk to people about that regularly (negative myself and intend to stay that way).

 

In addition, I've done a very little thing personally in terms of economic impact: I have unsubscribed, and will never resubscribe, to some of the porn sites that feature my favorite kinds of guys (speaking here of Corbin Fischer and Sean Cody) that seem to be trying to outdo each other with bareback porn. I've decided that I cannot, in good conscience, support any site/organization that promotes unsafe activity. And I wrote each of them long letters explaining why I could not ever again give them any money.

 

Its a mad, mad, mad, mad world.

[Steven_Draker]

Criminal transmission of HIV

 

"In many countries, the intentional or reckless infection of a person with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is considered to be a crime. This is often conflated, in laws and in discussion, with criminal exposure to HIV, which does not require the transmission of the virus and often, as in the cases of spitting and biting, does not include a realistic means of transmission. Some countries or jurisdictions, including some areas of the U.S., have enacted laws expressly to criminalize HIV transmission or exposure, charging those accused with criminal transmission of HIV. Others, including the United Kingdom, charge the accused under existing laws with such crimes as murder, manslaughter, attempted murder, or assault."

 

State Criminal Statutes on HIV Transmission

 

http://www.thebody.com/content/art6936.html

 

Although Lambda Legal has made efforts to ensure that this chart is complete and accurate as of the revision date, we cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information and this chart is not intended as, and should not be used as a substitute for, legal advice.

 

The information provided here is a summary of provisions of the referenced statutes. In most instances, the wording used here is wording found in the referenced statutes (one exception is that "HIV" is used for convenience in this chart although the statute may use a different term, such as "AIDS" or "causative agent of AIDS"). Those statutes (and statutes that they reference) should be consulted for more complete information and, in some cases, for definitions of terms.

 

"N/A" means that we did not find a state statute that criminalizes acts specifically due to alleged risk of transmitting HIV; however, every state has more generally applicable law(s) that could be used to prosecute someone who knowingly and intentionally exposes another to an excessive risk of harm. In addition to potential criminal liability, a person who transmits HIV to another person or puts another person at risk of HIV infection might face civil liability. This chart does not address any possible bases for civil liability.

[Xander]

In case you guys were wondering, these are just a few screenshots taken from entire forums dedicated to gift-giving and bug-chasing that I found on TOR ("deepweb"/"darknet" etc.) .onion sites.

[doitb4ugo]

There are still laws in most states against sodomy.

[uwsman2]

doitbe4ugo, you are misinformed. Only a handful of states still have laws against sodomy on the books, and since the Supreme Court's 2003 decision, Lawrence v. Texas, they are not enforceable against consenting adults for private sex acts. (Just a few weeks ago the US 4th Circuit Court of Appeals applied Lawrence to one of the few remaining sodomy laws, in Virginia, and held it unconstitutional on its face.)

 

That said, many states explicitly make it a crime, as Steven's posting from Lambda Legal make clear, for somebody who knows that he is HIV-positive to have sexual intercourse with another person without disclosing their HIV-status. Most courts would undoubtedly say that such a situation would not be truly "consensual" because the othe party was a victim of silent fraud. Apart from criminal law, a person who was actually infected with HIV as a result of such a sexual encounter could sue for damages.

[doitb4ugo]

Thanks for setting me straight, uwsman2. Can you help me understand how to apply the law when 2 consenting adults as in the postings above would be legally treated. In the matter of the breeders and the chasers, both are well aware of the persons HIV+ status. I would guess that the HIV+ party would still be criminally liable even with that knowledge being shared. Is that the case?

 

I guess that I was trying to make the case that laws are a poor means to prevent what is happening in the postings above. See posting on the Long Island Prostitution sting for a different take on laws and prosecution.

[rvwnsd]

Thanks for setting me straight, uwsman2. Can you help me understand how to apply the law when 2 consenting adults as in the postings above would be legally treated. In the matter of the breeders and the chasers, both are well aware of the persons HIV+ status. I would guess that the HIV+ party would still be criminally liable even with that knowledge being shared. Is that the case?..

 

Although I did not read all of the statutes, at least one indicated that a defendant could use the fact that the plaintiff was aware of his HIV + status and consented to have sex anyway as a defense in such a case. I also noticed that several of the statutes included STDs in general, including HIV. Also, many of the laws indicate that exposing a partner to HIV without their knowledge is unlawful regardless whether or not transmission occurred.

[+ FreshFluff]

Thanks for setting me straight, uwsman2. Can you help me understand how to apply the law when 2 consenting adults as in the postings above would be legally treated. In the matter of the breeders and the chasers, both are well aware of the persons HIV+ status. I would guess that the HIV+ party would still be criminally liable even with that knowledge being shared. Is that the case?

 

I'm curious about this too, especially in a case in which a bug chaser actively initiated the relationship with an HIV+ person.

[Steven_Draker]

The poster "Capital G" (top left corner of Xander's screenshot) is talking about "pozzing up unsuspecting negs" by cutting small holes in the condoms hence my post about criminal transmission of HIV.

 

I'm sorry, bit I see nothing "hot" or "fun" about this.

[maninsoma]

Yes, I actually call B.S. on some of these posts. I'm not denying the existence of those who willingly participate in attempts to seroconvert others (both HIV-negative men seeking "the gift" and HIV-positive men wanting to infect others), but, for example, the one post about infecting the bartender just reads like bad porn.

 

If those conversations are for real, there are some people who are beyond simply mentally ill, they are sociopaths and much much worse. I don't have adequate words to describe them.

 

I am hoping against hope that a lot of them are just writing fiction that somehow turns on their sick, twisted minds. Wonder also if some of those might be posted by homophobes who want to create "evidence" that all gays are sick/twisted.

 

Whatever the story is, they make me sick to my stomach. I can't think about them too much, because I'd get depressed. When I think of all my friends who work in HIV prevention and treatment, I get this hopeless sinking feeling in the bottom of my stomach if this is the reality they are dealing with.

 

There is nothing "wrong" with being HIV+; I have a number of positive friends and acquaintances who are all wonderful people, and who would never think, and most certainly never act, in this way. I am of the generation that saw terrifying numbers of friends killed by HIV, and although the disease is no longer a short-term death sentence, it sure ain't a cakewalk either. If any of those posters could somehow experience what people living with HIV go through - maybe through some kind of virtual reality simulator ... just for a few days - perhaps they would rethink things.

 

In the meantime, we should all be shocked by, and try to do whatever we can to oppose, the amount of unsafe sex that is happening, particularly among young kids. I talk to people about that regularly (negative myself and intend to stay that way).

 

In addition, I've done a very little thing personally in terms of economic impact: I have unsubscribed, and will never resubscribe, to some of the porn sites that feature my favorite kinds of guys (speaking here of Corbin Fischer and Sean Cody) that seem to be trying to outdo each other with bareback porn. I've decided that I cannot, in good conscience, support any site/organization that promotes unsafe activity. And I wrote each of them long letters explaining why I could not ever again give them any money.

 

Its a mad, mad, mad, mad world.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Yes, I actually call B.S. on some of these posts. I'm not denying the existence of those who willingly participate in attempts to seroconvert others (both HIV-negative men seeking "the gift" and HIV-positive men wanting to infect others), but, for example, the one post about infecting the bartender just reads like bad porn.

 

Indeed, if something like this were actually occurring, the DA would have a field day and be tracking down some folks via their ISPs.

[Xander]

Yes, I actually call B.S. on some of these posts. I'm not denying the existence of those who willingly participate in attempts to seroconvert others (both HIV-negative men seeking "the gift" and HIV-positive men wanting to infect others), but, for example, the one post about infecting the bartender just reads like bad porn.

 

Most of the reviews on this site read like bad porn.

[Xander]

Indeed, if something like this were actually occurring, the DA would have a field day and be tracking down some folks via their ISPs.

 

Can't track down ISP's with a Tails Distro + TOR connection.

[Lohengrin1979]

Beyond disturbing indeed. This is why I try not to do random hookups. I trust well reviewed escorts and masseurs to take care of their help and practice safe, sober sex. So far it's been enough.

 

Lohengrin

[maninsoma]

True. I know some people like reading reviews like that, but I generally stop reading when a review becomes too long. I don't want to read endless details of someone's encounter; I just want to read enough to get an idea of what happened during the session and, more importantly, how the person felt about the escort in question. Blow-by-blow (pun intended) accounts bore me.

 

Most of the reviews on this site read like bad porn.