You're fat and you're ugly and...

[bigvalboy]

My thoughts about you still stand, you are still in my eyes quite disgusting, hateful and pathetic. You can dance around this all you want and try and justify your insults with logic, But you sir, need some help and probably one of your fat friends to b*tch slap you. I am guessing there will be some takers......and Don't call me girl, it's Mr. Bigvalboy to you.

[josephga]

GIRLS GIRLS

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[RockHard]

There is only one RH.

 

Rockhard is not another screen name that I use.

 

I can't believe there is anyone on this board who thinks RockHard double posts. Almost ever since I joined, back in 2005, I gave Daddy permission to state publicly whether he sees more than one username associated with my IP address. Daddy was kind enough, once, to state on this board that there is no IP evidence that I use another username to express myself. Mind you, multiple usernames are not against the rules here. I simple have no desire to play that silly, childish game. I am not an escort and I don't care if anyone dislikes my opinion.

 

Furthermore, the old timers on this board, the ones who read my posts, know that I leave NYC every July/Aug/Sept, minus a week or two on the beginning or the end, for my annual visit to Europe. I don't like NYC at the height of summer and I don't post on forums when I travel.

 

As far as my feelings about obesity and having sex with overweight men, I've spoken honestly in this thread. Losing weight is not easy but I'm a firm believer, if you want something badly enough, you'll find a way to safely do it.

[Phil_musc]

Perhaps I should start a new thread because I have a peripheral point question. I'll be taking the thread on a side issue, but hey, this is the daddysreviews forum and we're old hands at this. My question: what is a football player's ass? Rockhard wrote about bellies and football player asses in his first posting on this thread. I always thought football players had pretty good (maybe ample) asses but not without appeal. I certainly didn't realize they were to be lumped together - I get the part about the bellies - that's fat, but the ass part - well, I just don't know. Please tell me. Oh, and it's a real question, non-judgmentally meant and asked.

[RockHard]

what is a football player's ass?

 

In the context of this thread, a BIG football player's ass is the exact opposite of the Olympic swimmer's ass, or the asses one sees getting licked on all Bel Ami videos. A BIG football player, a 300+ pound defensive lineman, typically has wide hips and a very large ass mass. A 6' swimmer or runner, weighing only 175 pounds, typically has tight cheeks and narrow hips. If you're a top, tops usually have a preference for the type and size of ass they prefer to fuck. No two asses behave the same way. Bone size, muscle mass, hip width, and excess fat make a big difference if you analyze performance and pleasure possibilities.

[jjkrkwood]

In the context of this thread, a BIG football player's ass is the exact opposite of the Olympic swimmer's ass, or the asses one sees getting licked on all Bel Ami videos. A BIG football player, a 300+ pound defensive lineman, typically has wide hips and a very large ass mass. A 6' swimmer or runner, weighing only 175 pounds, typically has tight cheeks and narrow hips. If you're a top, tops usually have a preference for the type and size of ass they prefer to fuck. No two asses behave the same way. Bone size, muscle mass, hip width, and excess fat make a big difference if you analyze performance and pleasure possibilities.

 

And THERE you have it !

[Phil_musc]

Thanks for the info - I appreciate it - and the lack of drama.

[bigvalboy]

How in the heck did you get my picture?

[TruthBTold]

BigVboy, I totally agree. I love to rim all asses (well, not boney ones) but I really love football guys' asses. There is something about having to work hard to push the cheeks apart (because they are so muscular) to get to the prized hole. And your face igets buried in them.

[Lohengrin1979]

Gah! My post has been dissected. I admit defeat and lie vanquished. Not really though. Rockhard, darling, if you choose to base the interactions of all gay men on what is popular in porn, you're in for some faulty data. I stand by what I said. Your post communicates the assumption that all fatties act like the ones in your gym. I agree that being overweight is a health issue but I sure as heck don't plan to start judging people for their alcoholism, their drug addiction, their obesity, their skin color or their *gasp* hiring of escorts and masseurs.

 

Although I have to say, if you live up to your forum handle, I just might let you call me sweetie. Maybe....

 

Regards,

 

Lohengrin1979

[RockHard]

Lose the weight and watch your cock grow.

 

if you choose to base the interactions of all gay men on what is popular in porn

 

What a silly notion. It was just one example, nothing more.

 

Your post communicates the assumption that all fatties act like the ones in your gym.

 

Well, your assumption is wrong and you misunderstood me. I don't have much contact with fat gay men. The only overweight gay guys I see are at my gym, or they're in a bathhouse when I travel. Their bathhouse behavior isn't much different, although aggressiveness and desperation can be observed by all types.

 

I sure as heck don't plan to start judging people

 

Then maybe we should christen you some kind of saint, although I don't buy your false halo. People judge other people all the time, and for good reasons. Before you let another human being into your life, before you extend trust, before you agree to intimacy, it's perfectly appropriate, and smart, to make judgements.

 

I love and adore my fat family (some of them) and fat friends (they're married and no longer watch porn). I simply don't want to have sex with any of them.

[+ purplekow]

Some think shame and embarrassment are motivators. I say use whatever tool you can to convince people to change for the better. Rockhard

 

Rockhard who decides what constitutes a change for the better? There is good evidence that obesity may be partly genetic and there is additional evidence that obesity is socially and economically determined. It is likely that many have no more control over their weight than you have of the arrogance which seeps through your posts. Your personal biases and preferences for sex partners has been made perfectly clear. Others don't have such stringent physical requirements and perhaps judge their desire to have sex with a partner based on caring, personal interactions and personality. Your posts lead me to believe that if you were in a committed relationship, that the relationship would be jeopardized by your partner's weight gain. Is that so?

I also think that many of the posters here are trying to change you for the better either by presenting a dissenting opinion or by name calling. I think we need to choose our tools rather than throwing the whole arsenal at people. By advocating for the whole arsenal, as you did in the above quote, you foster a combative and likely ineffective discussion.

Some need to work on the outside, others on the inside most of us need to work on both. I don't know what repairs your outside needs, but your posts make it clear that there is some serious work that needs to be done on the inside.

Thanks for reading, if you answer, i am sure it will be interesting and barb laced. I will try to de-thorn it and look for the cogent discussion.

[Epigonos]

I’m one of those people who believe obesity, smoking, and substance abuse are life style choices NOT illnesses. I also believe that we all should have the right to make the life style choices we wish.

 

Where I become extremely hardnosed and intolerant is when those who make detrimental life style choices expect me to help pay for treatments necessary because of THEIR choices. I DO NOT believe my insurances rates should be high enough to cover those individuals who are obese, smoke or are substance abusers.

 

More and more employers are making weight, smoking and substance abuse conditions of employment. They simply refuse to hire individuals who are obese, smoke or abuse drugs or alcohol. If after being hired an employee becomes obese, smokes or abuses drug or alcohol he/she is fired. Thus far the courts have found this procedure acceptable as long as it is make perfectly clear at the time of employment. Insurance premiums drop dramatically for companies that follow this type of policy.

 

Maybe it’s a matter of my getting OLD but it seems to me that today more and more people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Many seem to believe that it is McDonald’s fault that customers CHOSE to supersize their orders. Many seem to believe that it is the teacher’s fault that the students are too lazy to spend time learning lessons. Many seem to believe that it is the responsibility of society to make them happy. These individuals need to reread the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees the right “to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. The key word here is pursuit NOT happiness.

[jjkrkwood]

Some think shame and embarrassment are motivators. I say use whatever tool you can to convince people to change for the better. Rockhard

 

Rockhard who decides what constitutes a change for the better? There is good evidence that obesity may be partly genetic and there is additional evidence that obesity is socially and economically determined. It is likely that many have no more control over their weight than you have of the arrogance which seeps through your posts. Your personal biases and preferences for sex partners has been made perfectly clear. Others don't have such stringent physical requirements and perhaps judge their desire to have sex with a partner based on caring, personal interactions and personality. Your posts lead me to believe that if you were in a committed relationship, that the relationship would be jeopardized by your partner's weight gain. Is that so?

I also think that many of the posters here are trying to change you for the better either by presenting a dissenting opinion or by name calling. I think we need to choose our tools rather than throwing the whole arsenal at people. By advocating for the whole arsenal, as you did in the above quote, you foster a combative and likely ineffective discussion.

Some need to work on the outside, others on the inside most of us need to work on both. I don't know what repairs your outside needs, but your posts make it clear that there is some serious work that needs to be done on the inside.

Thanks for reading, if you answer, i am sure it will be interesting and barb laced. I will try to de-thorn it and look for the cogent discussion.

 

 

 

ALL you guys who are sitting in judgement of rockhard need to get off your "politically correct" high horses and let this be. Its HIS opinion, he is unapologetic about it and serious, so what the fuck is with all the strong arm tactic to force-feed him YOUR viewpoint? Its the same tactic always used here on people that dont share your views. Bullying people will never get them to your side of the fence.

[jjkrkwood]

I’m one of those people who believe obesity, smoking, and substance abuse are life style choices NOT illnesses. I also believe that we all should have the right to make the life style choices we wish.

 

Where I become extremely hardnosed and intolerant is when those who make detrimental life style choices expect me to help pay for treatments necessary because of THEIR choices. I DO NOT believe my insurances rates should be high enough to cover those individuals who are obese, smoke or are substance abusers.

 

More and more employers are making weight, smoking and substance abuse conditions of employment. They simply refuse to hire individuals who are obese, smoke or abuse drugs or alcohol. If after being hired an employee becomes obese, smokes or abuses drug or alcohol he/she is fired. Thus far the courts have found this procedure acceptable as long as it is make perfectly clear at the time of employment. Insurance premiums drop dramatically for companies that follow this type of policy.

 

Maybe it’s a matter of my getting OLD but it seems to me that today more and more people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Many seem to believe that it is McDonald’s fault that customers CHOSE to supersize their orders. Many seem to believe that it is the teacher’s fault that the students are too lazy to spend time learning lessons. Many seem to believe that it is the responsibility of society to make them happy. These individuals need to reread the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees the right “to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. The key word here is pursuit NOT happiness.

 

Bottom line is that people will always do WHAT they want to do, and when they want to do it. No loud voices, protests or presentation of frighteneing statistics will force them into doing something they DONT want to do. Why are we contininuing to argue about this ?

[jjkrkwood]

I’m one of those people who believe obesity, smoking, and substance abuse are life style choices NOT illnesses. I also believe that we all should have the right to make the life style choices we wish.

 

Where I become extremely hardnosed and intolerant is when those who make detrimental life style choices expect me to help pay for treatments necessary because of THEIR choices. I DO NOT believe my insurances rates should be high enough to cover those individuals who are obese, smoke or are substance abusers.

 

More and more employers are making weight, smoking and substance abuse conditions of employment. They simply refuse to hire individuals who are obese, smoke or abuse drugs or alcohol. If after being hired an employee becomes obese, smokes or abuses drug or alcohol he/she is fired. Thus far the courts have found this procedure acceptable as long as it is make perfectly clear at the time of employment. Insurance premiums drop dramatically for companies that follow this type of policy.

 

Maybe it’s a matter of my getting OLD but it seems to me that today more and more people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Many seem to believe that it is McDonald’s fault that customers CHOSE to supersize their orders. Many seem to believe that it is the teacher’s fault that the students are too lazy to spend time learning lessons. Many seem to believe that it is the responsibility of society to make them happy. These individuals need to reread the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees the right “to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. The key word here is pursuit NOT happiness.

 

Bottom line here is that people will always do WHAT they want to do, when they want to do it. No loud voices, protests of presentation of scary statistics will force them in to doing anything they arent ready to do. Maybe it WILL take a serious health condition to wake them up, but all this arguing back and forth is a waste of time and space. Go eat a big, juciy burger, fries and milkshake and Relax....

[RockHard]

Love or lust?

 

who decides what constitutes a change for the better?

 

Only you can decide. Regarding health issues, I recommend a consult with a good doctor.

 

There is good evidence that obesity may be partly genetic and there is additional evidence that obesity is socially and economically determined.

 

I'm fully aware of all the possible causes of the dangerous surge in obesity. One has to be very careful not use any of them as justifications, especially the ones along the fringe. The vast majority of obese people simply overeat, consume too much fat and sugar, and don't get enough exercise. This isn't rocket science.

 

Others don't have such stringent physical requirements and perhaps judge their desire to have sex with a partner based on caring, personal interactions and personality.

 

I admire gay male escorts, no matter how handsome or physically fit, who can enjoy sex with obese men. I have always said that a great male escort is like a fabulous nurse. They don't judge and, if they have a calling for their job, they perform to perfection and don't discriminate. I view these guys as God's gift to us gay men.

 

Your posts lead me to believe that if you were in a committed relationship, that the relationship would be jeopardized by your partner's weight gain. Is that so?

 

Love seems to conquer all. If I loved the guy, a 40-50 pound weight gain probably wouldn't matter to me. Nobody gains 100 pounds overnight. If I saw my guy growing in that direction, I would question it and ask that we seek help. If my partner was unwilling to reverse the trend, then I would have to cross that bridge and see how I feel.

 

I said earlier in this thread that love, chemistry, and mutual attraction can throw all the personal rules and regulations out the window. I'm always open to letting that happen. I don't judge a book by its cover but if the book hasn't grabbed me by the first chapter, then it's on to a new book. However, when love plays no part in a sexual encounter, keep the naked fatties away from me. I need a lot of help (visual stimulation) to keep my cock hard these days. Naked obesity will not help.

 

I also think that many of the posters here are trying to change you for the better

 

I doubt that. I think they just want to feel better about their state of weight.

 

No one truly knows me here. They don't know my personal relationship with fat and ugly, and all the judgements that I've endured in my life. I can't change what turns me on sexually, although that has changed through the years. I believe sex is an organic experience and one should trust his gut, or the direction to which his cock rises and points.

 

I suspect many gay men who hire escorts are overweight. Escorts tell me that obese men comprise the vast majority of clients. Obese men don't enjoy hearing anything negative about weight. For them, it's a sensitive issue and they take any criticism, no matter how constructive, personally. I understand that so I'm not surprised by the reactions.

[EZEtoGRU]

ALL you guys who are sitting in judgement of rockhard need to get off your "politically correct" high horses and let this be. Its HIS opinion, he is unapologetic about it and serious, so what the fuck is with all the strong arm tactic to force-feed him YOUR viewpoint? Its the same tactic always used here on people that dont share your views. Bullying people will never get them to your side of the fence.

Yet you are the most judgmental and biggest bully on here. Funny that the things you are most critical of others of are the very things you are most guilty of. Hypocrisy anyone?

[gcursor]

Personally I want to thank RockHard. After reading his posts last night, I decided to start making some small steps toward leading a healthier life. It's not going to happen overnight but I wanted to thank RockHard for his post.

Gcursor

 

 

Only you can decide. Regarding health issues, I recommend a consult with a good doctor.

[RockHard]

Speaking of obesity in a bathhouse...

 

While working out in the gym area of a Midwest bath house, I made eye contact with a handsome, boyish guy, who seemed to be cruising around. I sensed an instant attraction, and I was hoping to connect with him later when I went back to my room. Sure enough, no sooner did I recline on my bed to relax and take in some porn, he appeared in my doorway.

 

He wasn't a typical type for me, given that I lean toward tallish, blond, swimmer-types, like Benjamin Nicholas. He stood only 5' 8" tall, seemed to have Latino coloring, he sported a closely shaved head of very dark hair, expertly carved around the edges, and had a nice, natural look to his body. He was well-proportioned at just the right weight. When he removed his towel, he revealed a very large, cut cock with low hanging balls. I new from seeing him in the gym that he sported a mighty fine ass. His pubes were not shaved but the rest of his body was naturally hairless. He had a very sweet face, great lips, and a beautiful smile. The best surprise, he had a masculine voice. (Sissy-Mary-speak will always deflate my dick.)

 

He came over to me and ran his hand over my worked-out chest, cupping my swollen tits, lightly punching my pecs, and playing with my nipples to get them hard. He had a great touch and everything got hard.

 

He removed my towel to release my erection and he applied his sensual touch to my shaved cock and balls. He was a real serious turn on. He lowered himself to take my cock into his mouth and he sucked like a professional, swallowing my cock all the way down to the base. I slipped my hand up his towel, caressed his butt cheeks, and lightly touched his hole. He knew what I wanted.

 

Several minutes later, after we kissed passionately, something I rarely do with a stranger, he stood back up and said to me, "You're very sexy and you taste real good but you're not my type." Thinking how funny that sounded, given my feelings, I asked what was his type. He said, "I normally won't go near a guy unless he's 300 pounds. My boyfriend, who's here with me, is 420."

 

My dick immediately deflated and I said with utter shock and surprise, "You have a 420 pound boyfriend?"

 

"Yes," he said, and he went to my doorway, saying, "Come here, look, he's just down the hall, waiting for me."

 

I got up off the bed, went to the doorway, and there at the end of the dark hall stood a naked, white-as-ghost, roly-poly elephant, in a towel (more like a bed sheet) not supplied by the bath house, waving to the hot boy in my doorway. I was dumbfounded.

 

I looked into those sweet eyes, knowing sex with that fine ass was now out of the question, and I told him, "Your touch is so magical and, clearly, you're a sweet, young man but there is no way I'm going to gain 200 pounds to satisfy you."

 

He shook my hand, kissed me on the lips, and off he went. And I smiled, thinking how great it is that super fat gay men have hope. There's a hot, sexy guy like this who really loves what the fat, blubbery guy has to offer.

 

To each his own. And that's a good thing.

[josephga]

I use to have a friend that thought his partner of 8 years would stay with him regardless. He thought wrong after gaining a 100lbs and making no effort to loose it

[+ Travis69]

I’m one of those people who believe obesity, smoking, and substance abuse are life style choices NOT illnesses. I also believe that we all should have the right to make the life style choices we wish.

 

Where I become extremely hardnosed and intolerant is when those who make detrimental life style choices expect me to help pay for treatments necessary because of THEIR choices. I DO NOT believe my insurances rates should be high enough to cover those individuals who are obese, smoke or are substance abusers.

 

More and more employers are making weight, smoking and substance abuse conditions of employment. They simply refuse to hire individuals who are obese, smoke or abuse drugs or alcohol. If after being hired an employee becomes obese, smokes or abuses drug or alcohol he/she is fired. Thus far the courts have found this procedure acceptable as long as it is make perfectly clear at the time of employment. Insurance premiums drop dramatically for companies that follow this type of policy.

 

Maybe it’s a matter of my getting OLD but it seems to me that today more and more people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. Many seem to believe that it is McDonald’s fault that customers CHOSE to supersize their orders. Many seem to believe that it is the teacher’s fault that the students are too lazy to spend time learning lessons. Many seem to believe that it is the responsibility of society to make them happy. These individuals need to reread the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees the right “to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. The key word here is pursuit NOT happiness.

 

Are you upset when your insurance costs go up with caring for people with HIV or any STDs? It was their choice to have sex.

[jjkrkwood]

Are you upset when your insurance costs go up with caring for people with HIV or any STDs? It was their choice to have sex.

 

I'm pissed off at the price of my prescription drugs. Who can I blame that on ????

[Lookin]

I looked into those sweet eyes, knowing sex with that fine ass was now out of the question, and I told him, "Your touch is so magical and, clearly, you're a sweet, young man but there is no way I'm going to gain 200 pounds to satisfy you."

And then he was gone, leaving me alone with only my fantasies and a large bag of crullers. http://www.maleescortreview.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

 

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[Epigonos]

Travis69 I knew somebody was going to nail me with that one. I am old enough to remember friends who died of AIDS before the cause, of the disease, was known. It is a recognized fact, accepted by the vast majority of rational people, that AIDS is a disease. Some people chose to claim that obesity, smoking, and substance abuse are also disease – I THINK THAT IS BULL SHIT. I see the latter three as life styles choices from which some people attempt to escape responsibility by declaring them diseases.

With our current knowledge about AIDS I am less sympathetic with those who come down with the disease today if they refused to practice “safe sex”. There is “safe sex” there is NO “safe obesity”, “safe smoking” or “safe substance abuse”.