Question for Clients Who Do Incalls

[Mark Gordon]

I've been shopping for a condo in downtown Toronto. I've found a place I really love. Brand new building, great location, nice layout, tasteful design, stunning views, fabulous amenities.

 

The only thing is the entry system. Guests are buzzed in, but must then sign-in with the 24hr concierge. This seems to be the standard with new condos in downtown Toronto. They must indicate the suite they're going to and sign. They will not be asked for ID or who they're seeing. Obviously, they can sign any name they like and maintain their anonymity. Would this be an issue for you as a client? Would you want to be told in advance that this was the procedure? Would it make you think twice about coming? Do you think this would impact on my business?

[+ glutes]

Just tell them in advance, and I feel more secure with such a system.

The only caveat is that the security guards will eventually notice that your guests only stay an hour...

[seeker630]

Are there security cams recording the arrivals & departures?

 

Also, am I correct that the visitor does have to be truthful about which suite (unit?) they are visiting?

 

As an out-of-towner, I might not be be bothered, but if I lived in the city...not sure.

[Mark Gordon]

Are there security cams recording the arrivals & departures? Also, am I correct that the visitor does have to be truthful about which suite (unit?) they are visiting?

 

I'm going back tomorrow and will try to check these things out.

[gregkidman]

Go for it!

 

how would this impact on my business?

 

I have been going to an escort in NYC. He takes in-calls. He has a doorman and the doorman only ask either who you going to see or which suite number. You can tell he knows what's going on and he couldn't care less. So it wasn't awkard in any way. I always look forward to a fun time and that's the client you want to cultivate for repeat business. If a client who is nervous or embarrassed, just gently convince him that he will have a good time.

 

As for impact for your business -- it will be good. Here's my situation: I fly to Toronto occasionally to visit my family. I stay with my relatives so I always look for an escort who can do in-calls, since I can't doing it at my relatives' place. The escort that I see in Toronto has a doorman and that doorman seemed to be bemused but he also knows it is none of his business.

 

One suggestion: have LOTS of fluffy white towels (like 20 or so). Always have a stack of toothbrushes, just in case. Think of your place as a really, really nice day hotel -- think of a hotel that you really like, and try to make the bathroom the same way. Have two different kinds of soap -- fragrant and unscented. People may like the smell and some don't. Always throw the dirty towels AWAY from the bathroom -- I think it is tacky to see a huge pile of dirty towels (even if it is in a hamper!) once I arrive. Give the towels to a laundry service; I know it's expensive but you save yourself a lot of time (and focus more on the client! Heh heh!) and peace of mind.

 

Hope this helps.

[instudiocity]

Interesting. Yes, I would HAVE to know what to expect when I arrived. And Yes, security will figure it out fairly quickly which could be a good thing or a bad thing. If I was the guard you might need to throw me a freebie or some cash.

 

I saw an escort here in LA who had a phone box at the gate. He actually talked the mgmt into listing his escort name in the directory. And his name was a one word description of his anatomy than a name! :-) Security figured him out and even started allowing parking in the garage but mgmt never knew. He told me he had to 'let' the security boss blow him once a week!

[gregkidman]

like or love

 

Also, it is better to have a condo you love instead of a condo you like. After all, you'll be there for a few years at least, regardless of how a few clients feel about NOT going to see you. If you love your condo, clients will see that, and flock to you -- hopefully again and again. Heh heh.

[Lewis H]

Interesting. Yes, I would HAVE to know what to expect when I arrived. And Yes, security will figure it out fairly quickly which could be a good thing or a bad thing. If I was the guard you might need to throw me a freebie or some cash.

 

I saw an escort here in LA who had a phone box at the gate. He actually talked the mgmt into listing his escort name in the directory. And his name was a one word description of his anatomy than a name! :-) Security figured him out and even started allowing parking in the garage but mgmt never knew. He told me he had to 'let' the security boss blow him once a week!

Ooh, that's kinda hot.

[+ Travis69]

I know a lot of escorts who have had trouble with this type of security. The guards do figure it out quickly and some have caused problems for the escorts. Some have lost clients due to the guards asking questions, giving nasty looks, etc. The smaller the building the more likely you'll have a problem. If the building has over 300 units your activity might be less noticeable. Also in rental units your neighbors don't care so much what you're using your apartment for as long as you're quiet. In condo buildings neighbors see their units as investments and do care what their neighbors are doing. I would find a condo without a security quard.

[+ purplekow]

If I were told there was a security check I might be a bit leery of hiring but ultimately the horny guy wants what the horny guy wants so I would guess from the client point of view it would not be a big deal. I do agree about the condo though. Neighbors could raise a ruckus especially if there are frequent calls early in the morning and very late at night. Drunks in the halls etc. You would need to be especially vigilant about the clientele you are bringing to your home.

[+ deej]

You would need to be especially vigilant about the clientele you are bringing to your home.

 

Any working guy who isn't doing that already has other issues.

 

I suspect MG has a good handle on it.

[Kevin Slater]

I worked hard to find a very nice building in Chelsea with no doorman. (In NYC losing the doorman often means losing the elevator.) Clients coming to see me sometimes ask upfront whether I have a doorman or a buzzer. Those who ask are always relieved to hear that it's a buzzer.

 

I once went to another very popular escort's place to meet him and a client. As I gave the apartment number to the doorman he muttered something under his breath about my colleague "having a very busy day today". That absolutely reinforced my decision not to have a doorman.

 

I'm sure most of these guys and gals are professional and discreet. But it only takes one bad egg (perhaps one who feels stiffed by your holiday gift) to make for an awkward situation.

 

Keep in mind not only will they have to perform a little work each time you have a guest, but they'll see all your comings and goings as well. If at all gossipy, they may wonder what it is you often do for an hour or so in the middle of the night. And they may act as a conduit to management who might just as soon not have someone working out of the building.

 

Just to give voice to the other side...

 

Kevin Slater

[JackTwist]

No Problem

 

Mark, This wouldn't bother me at all. If your condo is in a large high-rise with many occupants and numorous visitors coming and going, then I figure that I would just blend in with others and it would be no big deal. Just remember to inform your clients in advance that they won't be required to show ID at the security desk and they can sign a fictitious name. I actually prefer to visit escorts who live in an upscale and secure environment. Congrats on finding a place you love!

[BaronArtz]

I agree with Kevin. His comments are right-on. The condo board would evict you if you are found to have an illegal business going on at your place. Or is it legal in Canada to operate a bordello? And let's be honest - doormen know EVERYTHING.

[jgoo]

If I were told there was a security check I might be a bit leery of hiring but ultimately the horny guy wants what the horny guy wants so I would guess from the client point of view it would not be a big deal. I do agree about the condo though. Neighbors could raise a ruckus especially if there are frequent calls early in the morning and very late at night. Drunks in the halls etc. You would need to be especially vigilant about the clientele you are bringing to your home.

 

I agree that with such a condo you are considering you will have to be extra careful to avoid problems with your neighbors/condo management and the potential risk of being kicked out (assuming they can do that based on violating condo agreement/rules). Although you should always be careful, your downside seems a bit more in this case because you risk losing a condo you love. You may need to modify your way of doing business to avoid problems, including limiting the number of incalls you accept, increasing the minimum length for an incall (may making it a bit less obvious), only incalls after an outcall and you know the client, etc. That may, depending on the mix of clients (especially first time clients) that you get preferring in and outcalls, impact your business.

 

I might also consider the possibility that if security or management gives you a hassle once they figure it out (and I suspect they will figure it out for sure) what that may mean to you. Being hassled or worse may or may not happen, and you will likely not know until you are moved in and up for business but just consider this one of the worst case scenariios and what that might mean to you and your alternatives (i.e. stopping in calls all together, paying favors or other expenses).

 

As a client, I would definitely appreciate being told in advance about having to sign in and even told a name to use. I have to admit that the thought of dealing with a doorman, front desk person or security does give me some pause as I prefer to have a totally discrete encounter and limited interaction with anyone else during the process. However, the more you could reassure me that it won't be a hassle and no one cares, the better I would feel and more likely to go ahead and set up an incall meeting. I suspect that you will lose some business, particularly from those who are very nervous about the meeting in the first place (such as first timers) and those who keeping things highly discrete is particularly important to them.

[+ Topseed]

Mark:

 

I say go for it.

 

I've lived in a doorman building, and you do have to be comfortable with the idea that the doorman will be making his own assumptions about your activities. If it helps, remember this: he works for you!

 

This is no different than being on Manhunt (or any of the other hookup sites) and inviting over a stranger.

 

And who really cares what the doorman thinks?

[Diverdan]

Mixed Experiences

 

I don't think there is a universal answer to your question. A lot depends on the management/security guards and their attitude towards your visitors. I have signed in at buildings where the security guard obviously knew what was happening and it was no big deal... in fact I felt that he might have been a client too. I have had other experiences where I would not return again because of the attitude of the security guard and the sign in procedures. In the long run, however, you need to have a place that you love, are comfortable with and enjoy hosting your clients. I also agree with the comments about the bathroom, towels, throwaway tooth brushes, etc. Your comfort and happiness with your place will rub off on your clients and will make it much easier for them to tolerate any discomfort with the security set up. As long as you tell your clients what to expect ahead of time it should not be a detriment to your business. I would, however, check the bylaws of the Condo association to make sure that you are allowed to conduct business in your unit. There are some condo and coop associations that strictly forbid the conduct of any business in their units. You certainly would not want to buy and then find that out later. Good luck and I hope it works out for you if you really love the place.

[+ newatthis]

...They must indicate the suite they're going to and sign. They will not be asked for ID or who they're seeing...

An important thing to keep in mind is that procedures can change. The condo association can decide that they need to tighten up security and begin to require ids, or put in place a requirement that you meet your guests in the lobby. This is not just idle speculation. I am aware of buildings -- in both cases large ones with over 300 units -- where these changes happened.

 

As for your original, client-comfort question: I would be hesitant to do a first-time incall to such a condo where I didn't already know the building and the attitude of the doormen. I'd need to know up front that ids weren't required. I would probably feel more comfortable if you came down to the lobby and met me.

[KMEM]

Certainly coming to the lobby to greet "guests" would be very welcome and be icing on the cake, so to speak, but, it would also make your guests feel not only very well cared for but also not in any danger of being thought of as being "unusual". How wrong could this be as your "normal" procedure? It could "make" the deal for me.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Alan]

Agree. Nice and welcoming touch.

 

If there is a security guard or a sign in procedure (including not needing to use your real name), as a client I appreciate an escort's warning and some discussion of what I should do.

 

In some hotels the elevator requires a key card to get to the rooms and I have to go down to the lobby to greet when I hire. I find that no problem at all, either.

[jackcali]

Mark, some very valid concerns have been raised about your buying this condo and I think that you should not take it, unless the apartment is really so special that you can't live without it. (In my experience in New York, an apartment in any new building probably has hundreds of identical twins in other new buildings all over town.)

 

Take it as a given that the doormen will know your business in a few days. It just can't be avoided. (Years ago, I had a friend who lived in a NY condo and after spending one day home sick, he was convinced just from the foot traffic in his hallway that two women who lived in two apartments on his floor were escorts. He was proved right when the police raided a few months later and arrested them.)

 

Some doormen won't care what your business is, some won't care as long as you tip them well (in cash or in kind), but some will. In all likelihood, though, they'll talk to one another, so your building staff will all know in no time. Some tenants may find out, too, either from the doormen or they might figure it out themselves. If the building manager gets wind of it, you could be in real trouble, as they are as likely to call the police as to communicate with you directly about violations of your condo's rules. That's a big risk to take.

 

From the client's perspective, many won't care, but some will. I'd be one of the latter. A leery or hostile look from or interaction with the doorman would certainly make the whole experience less pleasant and could make it downright UNpleasant for me. I can't tell you if I'm among a small minority of clients who would feel that way. It seems like I'm in the minority on this board, but the regulars here include a lot of guys who are very open about their hiring, more so I think than is typical of the universe of clients.

 

Whatever you choose, good luck.

[instudiocity]

I would, however, check the bylaws of the Condo association to make sure that you are allowed to conduct business in your unit. There are some condo and coop associations that strictly forbid the conduct of any business in their units. You certainly would not want to buy and then find that out later.

 

There are also going to be local ordinances governing the conduct of business from a private residence. Here in LA I had to answer a bunch of license questions because I use my home address for my sales business. Noone ever comes to my home except the UPS driver but I learned there is a restriction in the frequency & number of visitors I could have before being required to have an office. Enforcement only occurs when neighbors complain of traffic.

[+ Charlie]

As a client who always preferred to go to the escort, I can say that I definitely wanted to know in advance what the procedure would be, and preferred places where I did not have to deal with a doorman. More importantly, however, YOU will have to deal with the doorman--or actually, doorMEN, since there will be more than one, and they may have different attitudes toward what you are doing, and there will probably be some turnover in doormen if you live there for any length of time. Meeting in the lobby is OK for a client you already know, but an initial encounter in front of a curious witness could be very awkward, especially if one of you immediately decides the appointment is a mistake. The doormen may also assume that your non-client guests are clients, which could be awkward if the doormen are not sufficiently discreet. The condo by-laws may also have restrictions about using a residence to conduct business, and management may cause trouble for you, even if they don't understand what your business is. If I were you, I would try very hard to find a place that does not have a doorman.

[KMEM]

Charlie-

 

Should we all just become celibate?

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[+ purplekow]

It is also possible for you to meet the client outside of the building. Perhaps at a nearby coffee shop or other reasonable location. When you walk back to the building together, there will be less of an issue I am sure. Who knows, maybe there is even a back door for the residents. Of course, I am always looking for a back door, so that may be just me.