Escort Only Section

[Guest JT]

I have only been visiting the message centre since June of this year so I don't know too much about what happened to the last "escort only" forum. As a client, I welcome such a private forum for escorts to exchange information that may help reduce their exposure to "undesirable" and in some cases, "dangerous" clients. However, I do have two questions regarding such a forum and I hope that Hooboy and perhaps some of the moderators will be able to answer them:

 

1) If clients who have a personal grudge against an escort can falsify and post a negative review on this site, the escorts can do the same thing about a particular client. When there is a negative review about an escort, Hooboy is very considerate in that he tries to verify the information and give the escort a chance to respond (and have the last word). I'm wondering whether the same or similar consideration be given to clients that are discussed in the "private" forum.

 

2) Will the forum be moderated for ALL participants? In the MC, there're some posters (I have the impression that many of them are escorts) who are unmoderated. Will any of the posters in the private forum be promoted to such status? If yes, what will be in place to prevent the publication of "personal and private" information about the clients of interest? I agree with BoN that an escort's identity is very important for them but once again, the same can be said about that of a client. The protection of privacy and the true identity of clients (closeted, married, community pillars, well-known public figures etc.) is extremely important to the clients too!

 

Respectfully,

JT

[+ deej]

<<Will the forum be moderated for ALL participants? In the MC, there're some posters (I have the impression that many of them are escorts) who are unmoderated. Will any of the posters in the private forum be promoted to such status? If yes, what will be in place to prevent the publication of "personal and private" information about the clients of interest? >>

 

Only HooBoy knows the answer to exactly how it will work. And only HooBoy will moderate the new forum. It is completely his show.

 

The only thing I know for absolute certain is that sooner or later SOMEONE will bitch about it. You can bet your fuzzy bits (using that phrase too much today) HooBoy is aware of that.

 

Look, we trust escorts with our real names (for hotel visits), our home addresses, often with our credit card numbers so they can book flights.

 

Why not trust them to chat about the business? Chances are good they'll never mention specific clients.

 

There are exceptions. I happen to know there's a loon in Boston who habitually books escorts for extended appointments and then no-shows, or leaves the escort knocking on a suburban housewife's door at a completely bogus address. He really gets his jollies that way.

 

Shouldn't they be able to share this information? Identifying the guy in public would most definitely not be cool and most definitely would be deleted. But they should have a way to identify him privately.

 

I still maintain that if you're a good client, you have nothing to worry about. If you're not a good client, talk to the hand. ;-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Will,

 

Well said... as ususal.

[Rick Munroe]

> One question, though.

>Since I can assume Hooboy

>is Gene Rayburn, and you

>would probably be Richard Dawson,

>does that make me Brett

>Somers or Charles Nelson Reilly?

 

I'm not sure, but don't you think TruthTeller is definitely Fannie Flagg?

[Guest pickwick]

>Look, we trust escorts with our

>real names (for hotel visits),

>our home addresses, often with

>our credit card numbers so

>they can book flights.

 

You do? Seems pretty reckless to me. I have never given an escort any information that would allow him to identify me.

 

>I still maintain that if you're

>a good client, you have

>nothing to worry about. If

>you're not a good client,

>talk to the hand. ;-)

 

Since I take precautions to make sure that escorts can't identify me I'm not too concerned about the possibility that they may discuss me, but if others don't take such precautions I can understand why they would be concerned. If I remember correctly, the reason the escort forum was closed in the first place is that an escort that HB and others here liked and trusted decided to break the rules of the forum and dump on a lot of people. That doesn't support your contention that everything will be just fine if everyone is nice to escorts.

[Rick Munroe]

Guys, I've already said that in the former Escort Only section, we neither trashed clients nor revealed peronal information about clients to each other. It was very tame, and used mostly to discuss the business in general. Hooboy, am I right? You were a silent observer...

[Guest alanm]

You make some good points. I'm not sure that the party-going escort could have done me any harm. I also understand about the control issue. Since I took a two hour walk through Central Park to think before I called the escort agency to complain, it's

more of an emotional issue for me. But, I can also turn the situation around and understand escort being threated badly by certain clients and wanting to get the word out.

[BewareofNick]

>I'm not sure, but don't you

>think TruthTeller is definitely Fannie

>Flagg?

 

 

ROFLMAO!!

 

All right, that settles it, I'll be Brett Somers

[Bilbo]

If I remember, the escort who went berserk and quoted posts from the last e only forum to one of these forums couldn't even find anything specific that any escort had said about any particular client. It was all things like the hygiene issue, etc. And you can bet your bootstraps that if that kind of thing had been there, he would probably have used it against them. Nothing would have been in place at the time to stop him, other than HooBoy himself, who did finally stop him.

And, excuse me, but those who do worry about some escort untruthfully trashing them seem to be thinking that all escorts implicitly trust one another more than all clients do. Why do you think that we, the escorts, are going to take on face value anything negative that anyone says over there? Most of us have enough sense and enough experience in this business to poohpooh some naysayer who is speaking alone. And if there are two or more sources independently saying the same things about someone .... Oh, wait! Some of the clients are said to post under two or more aliases. And if the escorts aren't any more truthful than the clients ... Well, I still think that we'd have our own little Miss Marples over there, too, like we do on these forums.

[SmallTownJohn]

Wow, take a few days off & things just 'splode here. I'm reading to catch up now. Thanks Guys

[HooBoy]

Rick Munroe Said:

>For those who are concerned about

>what will be said in

>that section, , I don't

>recall it being used to

>trash "bad clients" or review

>clients in general. For

>the most part, we used

>it to trade marketing info,

>and other general questions re:

>rates, travel, etiquette, client hygiene,

>etc. ..anyway & it was kind

>of dead.

 

This is very true. Never once was a client's name mentioned or hinted at. It was by invitation only, so there were only a few of the top escorts who had access to it, thus the discretion.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest CTMUSH]

Unfortunately, this is another reason to consider your activity on this wonderful site. It is almost impossible to hide your identity completely from an escort, especially people you see more than once. For those of us who require anonymity for whatever reason, this new Escort Only section provides an opportunity to be "outed". We can't control many things in life, but we can limit exposure. I feel the ultimate result of this will be clients chosing not to write reviews. I have chosen, because of past experience here, to limit my activity but now will not even consider writing reviews in the future. Sorry, but that's how I chose to control my life.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Posting from HooBoy's News announcement --

 

By the same token, I am recreating the Escort Only forum where they will be able to post a list of No-Show clients.  So if you stand up an escort, you can expect word to get out on you, as well.  This forum will be seen only by escorts to protect individual's privacy.  It will be fully moderated by me alone and full phone numbers and full names will not be allowed to be published there, however enough will get out so escorts can share information about bad "clients."

 

CTMUSH

 

>Unfortunately, this is another reason to

>consider your activity on this

>wonderful site. It is

>almost impossible to hide your

>identity completely from an escort,

>especially people you see more

>than once.

 

CTMUSH, it is my impression that you have been around here long enough to have coexisted with the previous E-Forum. Am I correct? If so, why no excessive heartburn then?

 

>For those

>of us who require anonymity

>for whatever reason, this new

>Escort Only section provides an

>opportunity to be "outed".

 

This sounds as though you have little faith in HooBoy's sincerety or in his ability to moderate the E-Forum and protect the exposure of sensitive personal information. Is that correct?

 

On the other hand, if there are no escorts seeking to settle a perceived score with you then why would you be worried about surfacing in the E-Forum if you are a responsible client, which I'm sure you are.

 

Otherwise, it seems that your concern would apply equally well to this message board in that if an escort were hell-bent to expose your identity it could be done much more effectively here where the whole world has a window to this board -- unlike the closed E-Forum.

 

Then there is the fact that both forums are moderated in accordance with the restrictions imposed by the same person -- HooBoy -- so both forums can be expected to be held to the same standard, at the least. Of course there seems to be one exception in the two forums as I understand it -- there will be NO UNMODERATED posters in the E-Forum. Thus nothing gets posted that is not vetted in advance.

 

I fail to see what the concern is other than it is a closed forum, which I would think would bring relief rather than concern, in that this dirty laundry won't be aired in public. Also, I suspect that any client posted as a No-Show will get his chance to respond. That is if he can be reached, which, of course, is in the complete control of the client since he had to make contact with the escort initially.

 

> I feel

>the ultimate result of this

>will be clients chosing not

>to write reviews. I

>have chosen, because of past

>experience here, to limit my

>activity but now will not

>even consider writing reviews in

>the future.

 

People don't write reviews for all sorts of reasons, one being fear of exposure. Those for which this is an overriding concern shouldn't be comfortable writing reviews period -- whether or not the E-Forum exists. Once you put yourself out there then the potential for exposure exists. Even logging into the site presents the risk of exposure if someone is determined to track your 'whereabouts'.

 

One other point -- the issue of writing reviews is completely unrelated to the issue of posting no-show clients in the E-Forum. It is my understanding that posting no-show clients is not limited only to those that submit reviews. And I don't believe that an escort trashing a client because of a bad review will be more than a rare occurence by a BAD escort and will be seen as that in the E-Forum. As Rick M or another poster pointed out above, escorts are no more monolithic in their thinkng than us clients. They assess the validity of the charges and the reliablity of the accuser. And I'm sure they will read the client response just as carefully as we clients read tthe escorts response in 'our reviews' .

 

FWIF

[Guest]

I find the concept rather disquieting as well. I don't object to a forum for escorts to discuss general issues such as "How do you deal with a smelly client?", or "I have this guy who's stalking me. What do you suggest I do?" If it becomes a site where escorts are allowed to discuss specific clients or identify them in any way, however, the integrity of reviews will obviously suffer, almost by definition.

There are many jobs where clients/customers expect confidentiality. Obviously doctors, lawyers, priests, and accountants, but one could think of many others. I certainly think most people expect escorts to keep things confidential as well.

Most people whose job involves dealing with the public are subject to "reviews" by the public in one way or the other. In the case of my doctor, my HMO actually sends me a survey every year so that I can rate him on various levels of his service. There are also public ratings by a local consumer magazine. But almost everyone who deals with the public, from supermarket clerk to hotel maid to waiter to policeman is subject to feedback from the public.

In most cases, someone receiving feedback from the public has the opportunity to respond. Isolated incidents have little significance, but a pattern of negative feedback is usually given some attention. In most instances, the working stiff has no opportunity to "rate clients/customers, etc." That's just the way life is in the real world.

You wouldn't expect to hear that your doctor posts messages in the hospital's doctors' lounge along the lines of "You don't want Randy Kaputnick in your practice. He broke three appointments with me this year." Nor would a doctor post "Avoid Petunia Kuntz--her vagina is so smelly it makes me want to hurl." If you don't want to deal with someone, don't make appointments with him and let your competition deal with him the way they want to.

What's bothersome about the "escorts only section" is that the clients cannot know what goes on behind closed doors. I wouldn't argue with a category where only escorts can post responses, but I don't see why one would try to hide the postings from view if specific clients aren't identified.

We have seen many examples of less-than-honorable escorts. It seems obvious that some escorts might try to either identify or smear a client because the client wrote a bad review.

In fact, it's obviously the bad escorts who are in need of being identified who are MOST likely to use smear tactics. The "Escort Only" section needs to be carefully thought out in order to preserve this site's integrity. Otherwise, real clients are going to shy away from identifying the duds.

[Rick Munroe]

>In fact, it's obviously the bad

>escorts who are in need

>of being identified who are

>MOST likely to use smear

>tactics. The "Escort Only"

>section needs to be carefully

>thought out in order to

>preserve this site's integrity.

 

I think it is well thought out. It is by invitation only and Hooboy, I believe, only invites the most reputable escorts to participate. OK, he does let a couple whores like me slip by, but we keep our mouths shut (unless there's a dick being waved in front of 'em).

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

unicorn, you said...

 

"What's bothersome about the "escorts only section" is that the clients cannot know what goes on behind closed doors. I wouldn't argue with a category where only escorts can post responses, but I don't see why one would try to hide the postings from view if specific clients aren't identified."

 

I'd be comfortable with it being open to all but I think I'm in the minority; and it would be naive to think that there wouldn't be posted responses, if not in that forum then here.

 

How would you feel about 'the client who uses the name unicorn on HB's M4M boards' being identified as a two-time no-show, assuming it were true. Your personal identity hasn't been compromised yet I doubt you would be comfortable with it open to the public. Of course, I know you would never be a no-show, but the example is instructive.

[Guest 7Zach]

I agree with the above; i don't remember who said it, but they said they would essentially get a reference on a client if he wanted to travel. And that's the rub to me: the escorts hold themselves in the public eye, they advertise, they show pics, etc. They're doing so in order to conduct and solicit business.

the Johns however, are consumers, and usually don't have the advantage of going by an alias: you have to give your last name if in a hotel in order to get a call back, or in the case of travel, you have to give out full disclosure.

I am not worried about people saying things about my hygiene, looks, etc. (the looks are what they are, the hygene i think is good). It's the rest of it, especially if for some reason, it doesn't work out well. Imagine if you will, one of the "reputable" escorts on the board, either the one with all the real estate or, alternatively, the one in the last month sending the virulent emails. In either case, probably nice people in other circumstances, but for some reason they broke, and turned out to be pretty mean-spirited. And they're going to be turned loose in a forum where they can use the john's names.

And please don't say that won't happen, cuz one escort already said he would use the boards for references, so either real names, or other personally identifiable information must be used in order to obtain such useful references.

And from a business standpoint, I don't understand alienating the johns on this webpage. The escorts must view this site as one essentially that of "putting up with it" as a cost or inconvenience of their business and advertising. The johns, however, don't advertise, don't hold themselves out to the public as offering services, and so far, by signing onto this site, give Hooboy or its monitors the rights to make judgements concerning how much of their privacy they want to give away. On this last note, Hooboy has been pretty upfront as to how he uses the information gleaned from cookies, and he certainly does, and is welcome, to use such information in order to get hit site "hits" up, and therefore obtain more revenue. All in all, the hidden "escorts only" forum is a "chilling" aspect to this site.

I want to be fair to the escorts; they need to be able to talk to others in the field, so to speak, and they can do so in private, or private messaging. But I have a real problem with their being allowed to use this web site to post confidential information about clients, whether good or bad. And to be clear, there is a difference between the escorts as opposed to clients doing so in my opinion solely owing to the fact that the escorts are in business, hold themselves out as in busines, and seek additional business. Once you advertise, or run a "business" in the public sector, you give up certain rights to confidentiality.

[Guest pickwick]

I'm becoming confused by this thread. If the escort message board is to be moderated so that identifying information of clients such as names and phone numbers will not be posted, how can escorts use the board to warn each other not to see specific clients? Identifying clients by their member names here or by email addresses does not seem very useful for that purpose.

 

I guess Unicorn has a good point about escorts seeking revenge for bad reviews. It's become almost routine for escorts to respond to a negative review here by claiming the reviewer is a drug addict or a stalker. I suppose if that happened on a private escort board the only difference would be that the client would never know about it. Does that make it better or worse?

 

Unicorn's comment about doctors critiquing patients reminds me of an episode of "Seinfeld" in which one of the characters found himself put on some secret blacklist kept by New York doctors and couldn't get anyone to see him. When I first saw the episode I thought it was funny but on second thought it doesn't seem so funny.

[Guest cp8036]

Personally, I would not worry if the forums were populated by the escorts that post here. Most all are professional and would be reasonable.

[Guest dstud4hire]

Very well said Will! And thx for your words of support for all escorts. I have been very fortunate to have had relatively good to great experiences with my clients, in which we have enjoyed one another's company, and both walked away pleased with the time spent. So, I would have no need, as I would imagine most other escorts wouldn't, to bash any other client. (Besides, what would be the point? With the exception of the large gay meccas, most cities, such as St. Louis, have only a handful of escorts listed, so if there really was an issue with a client, then I would simply email the other escorts in my area. But that has never happened.)

 

Let's face it, what we 'do' is a very unique type of job. It's not as if I can just share with my parents at the end of a day how I am feeling. Like I said, it's been a fairly good time I've had with very few problems, however, sometimes it's nice to be able to turn to another escort and ask a question or make a comment. Sometimes it may have nothing to do with a client, but rather the issue might be "what happened when your friends first knew you did this?" or "how does your BF feel about you doing this" or "have you ever had this happen to you"? That is why I have made a point of finally making 'on line' friends with some of the other escorts, a few, just so I know I have a couple guys out there I can call if need be, and knowing that there could possibly be a forum that we guys could just express ourselves, without being read by everyone, is kinda nice.

 

Think of it as an escort online version of a break room that any other job may have. A teacher, for instance always has the lunchroom to go to say hello to their fellow teachers, and see how their day is going. hehehehe

 

Anyway, like I said, I've no complaints about those who have hired me, as I am sure they don't about me. It's just, sometimes, this can be very lonely, without another like minded individual to discuss things with.

 

That's my opinion. Good conversation on this topic though. I usually don't respond, just kinda read along.

 

Regards,

Gabriel (listed under Missouri)

[Guest]

>Personally, I would not worry if

>the forums were populated by

>the escorts that post here.

> Most all are professional

>and would be reasonable.

 

 

The problems with this are: (1) "most"--it takes only one bad apple, and (2) the assumption that only escorts will have access to the forum is not a very good one. First, anyone can represent himself as an escort. Second, someone who's friends with an escort could have access to the forum (I feel I would be able to access it if I wanted to, for instance).

[Guest]

>How would you feel about 'the

>client who uses the name

>unicorn on HB's M4M boards'

>being identified as a two-time

>no-show, assuming it were true.

> Your personal identity hasn't

>been compromised yet I doubt

>you would be comfortable with

>it open to the public.

> Of course, I know

>you would never be a

>no-show, but the example is

>instructive.

 

 

What would be the point of identifying "unicorn" if no one knows who unicorn is? You either know who he is or you don't. If people do know, then it's not anonymous. If they don't, then there's absolutely no reason to identify the person. You might as well say "I have this client who...".

And, for the record, I've never no-showed or smelled bad. I am concerned,however, that someone would accuse me of something untrue, and that I couldn't defend myself. I have also had the experience of an escort who, knowing he did a bad job, threatened to smear me if I wrote a review on him.

[Guest Charon]

My problem is that it will inherently violate confidentiality.

 

How will you know who the "bad" clients are, unless you give specific identifying information about them? Seems like an invite to someone to misuse the information.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>

>What would be the point of

>identifying "unicorn" if no one

>knows who unicorn is?

>You either know who he

>is or you don't.

>If people do know, then

>it's not anonymous.

 

This is not always necessarily true. Sometimes individuals can be identified by other than name and address. FOr example by sight, or by an unsual voice, or by an email address, or by specific sexual tastes, or by a particular flavor of con game... or by some combination. Maybe not fool proof like a name and address but enough to make someone wary. We have seen these used on this site to identify problem escorts using different names.

 

>I am concerned,however, that someone

>would accuse me of something

>untrue, and that I couldn't

>defend myself.

 

Well then, ask HooBoy to incorporate a 'client response' in the process.

 

I have

>also had the experience of

>an escort who, knowing he

>did a bad job, threatened

>to smear me if I

>wrote a review on him.

>

 

I appreciate the unpleasantness of such a situation. As for me, I don't submit to intimidation and would tell them 'bring it on'. I understand others might not feel that way, but that is me. Once I had the unpleasnt task of writing a negative review and the escort trashed me for it. I took the argument back to him 'toe to toe' . My credibility not only was not diminished but was increased as a result.

[Guest Baggle]

I really do not have a problem with Hooboy setting up the additional forum. Having had the good fortune to have met some of the fine escorts who have participated in this thread, I trust them to talk about business matters in the thread. They all seemed like really nice guys to me. I know I behave in a decent way, so I have nothing to worry about. If this site and the forum in question, helps them to do a better job, and happier doing it, then I am all for it.

 

On a slightly different, but related subject, Hooboy has agreed to inform and let reply, any client who is listed in the "No Show " section. I think that is also fair.

 

I am telling you...this site is only getting better.