Escort Only Section

[Guest DickHo]

Hooboy has announced today that the Escort Only forum will be reinstated and escorts will be able to post information about bad or no show clients.

 

I have a problem with this. Why is it for escorts only? The escorts can see everything we write and have a right to rebuttal. Why can clients have the same rights?

 

I don't like this at all.

[+ deej]

This has been argued back and forth ad nauseum.

 

Frankly, if it keeps the boys *here* instead of sending them elsewhere I'm all for it.

 

The best way not to be discussed there is to be a good client. The only reason to be worried is if you're not.

 

A private escort forum existed for a long time, and nobody even knew about it except the escorts. It became an issue when a loose screw posted confidential information from that forum here, in public.

 

That episode led to our current system of moderation.

 

This site is intended to be a resource for BOTH escorts and clients. This is just another facet of that service.

[Guest biga]

I saw the message from HooBoy about this and thought someone would bring it up,as i wasnt around the last time it was up although i think i know why it was taken down(something to do with an escort posting inappropriate info)correct me if i'm wrong,

but if it is just to discuss bad clients or no shows and it is moderated properly which i am sure it will be then i cant see what the problem will be.

If the same things start to happen as before ,i am sure HooBoy will pull the forum again, i suppose the only person who could answer why the escorts need somewhere exclusive to air their feelings whether good or bad is HooBoy himself,one question i would be interested in finding out is how did the escort only forum originally start up.Andy

[BewareofNick]

It's a very valid point to bring up, Dick. My take on it is this: Sometimes escorts need to vent, too. If they do it in an area where clients can readily see what they are posting, it may be misinterpreted by the clients and result in a backlash against the escort. Not good for business.

 

One of the many reasons that their comments might be misinterpreted is because clients simply lack the perspective of being an escort (there are of course rare exceptions such as deej). After dealing with the tenth client in a row who wants to be a special friend, or the third guy who didn't shower before the meeting, or the guy who didn't douche before the appointment, the escorts may just need to vent in a forum where everyone else has the same perspective and can understand rather than take offense.

 

If they post those comments where clients can read them, there will be the inevitable: 'so and so is SUCH an asshole' 'I can't believe he said that' "well, what about when escorts do this' yada yada.. (And yes, it HAS happened here before. One of the reasons the private escort forum was deleted was because one of the escorts cut and pasted comments from that forum into the public forums)

 

Another good reason for having the forum is to be able to discuss bad clients and share information regarding them. We do that quite freely here in these forums about escorts that screw clients. The reason that the escorts can't do it where clients are concerned is again, it will hurt business and possibly their reputations EVEN IF the client is worhty of all the things the escorts are saying.

 

So why the difference? Clients can say anything they want about an escort, whether for good or ill, and can still hire pretty much anyone they want with impunity. Why? A client can change e-mail addresses/AOL ids at will and not lose anything. In the long run, a client has little invested in a particular 'identity'.

 

An escort, however, has a LOT invested in their identity. In order to become a successful escort, they must be honest and above board. They also have to be very careful what they say. All it takes is one person with a grudge to ruin an escort's reputation (and I am speaking of, in this case, an escort who has done nothing to deserve said grudge). In some ways, it prevents them from being totally honest where clients are concerned. If their comments are perceived in the wrong way, BAM! There goes the reputation.

 

And building a new identity isn't easy either. Once it is discovered that you used to be so and so, it's all over that so and so is now posing as so and so. Either you have to fight your way back or you disappear and start over..AGAIN.

 

 

And for those who say, "Well, if there are problems with clients shouldn't they let us know so we can be better clients?" Yes, they should, but for the most part, these issues have been discussed ad nauseum and what your dealing with in the private escort forums would be those clients who just don't get it. (Talvin DeMachio's post about personal hygiene comes to mind!)

 

So even though you may not like it, Dick, I think the private escort forum is something that serves a vital function and is necessary.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

http://www.JasonReardoneEscort.com

 

Just a thought but when talking about escorts clients are able to keep their anonymity in the present forum and escorts cannot, belying any adverse expression or recourse in the event it is called for. An escort section may help expose those challenging clients.....my 2 cents, <jr>

[Guest DickHo]

>This has been argued back and

>forth ad nauseum.

>

 

I'm sorry to discuss it again.

 

>The best way not to be

>discussed there is to be

>a good client. The only

>reason to be worried is

>if you're not.

 

I can't agree with this logic. I'm not a bad client so I'm not afraid that I would be discussed. However, we have clearly seen here how escorts (and clients) manipulate the reviews. It is mostly because everyone can read the reviews that the "bad" escorts are found out. Escorts have a right to rebut the reviews--why shouldn't clients have a right to rebut the escorts?

 

>

>A private escort forum existed for

>a long time, and nobody

>even knew about it except

>the escorts. It became an

>issue when a loose screw

>posted confidential information from that

>forum here, in public.

>

Many people knew about it because the escorts talked about it.

 

>This site is intended to be

>a resource for BOTH escorts

>and clients. This is just

>another facet of that service.

>

I agree, but with no secrets. If they can read what we write, we should be able to read what they write. Is it really a good idea to have information about clients (any type of clients) on the Internet. For this information to be useful to other escorts, confidential information will have to be disclosed...or will clients be identifed as "John, a short man in Wichita with a seven-digit phone number is a no-show"? What information will be acceptable to publish?

 

It's a slippery slope.

[BuckyXTC]

I'm 100% in favor of escorts having their own private, protected forum. I hope it will be a useful area for them to share vital information and blow off steam when they need to. At the same time I hope they will continue to contribute to all the other forums, because I like to know what their opinions are on a lot of the topics discussed here.

 

I'm delighted that Hooboy is starting up the Escorts Only forum. So go to it, escorts, and have a blast!

 

BuckyXTC

[Guest cmp]

I agree. And I'll pay $20 for a leak on what is written about me in the secret Client Review section. (Just joking, I don't really need to read that, I'm better off with the sweet illusion that the escort liked me.)

[+ Lucky]

Well, BON, I am sure Nick will agree with you on this one.

[BewareofNick]

Well, in this case, Nick derves everything he gets, but thank you, once again Lucky for dragging down a serious conversation into the sewer.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

My contacts must be blurred because I dont see anywhere in the update where HooBoy said it was up for debate as to whether the Escort only section went up or not....

[+ deej]

>I'm sorry to discuss it again.

 

Don't be sorry! I wasn't castigating you for bringing it up again, and I'm sorry if I left that impression. Your opinion is valuable here, as it always has been.

 

Escorts DO need a private place to chat that is beyond the eyes of the paying public. Read BoN's post. He says it far better than I could.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Oops, My bad!!!!

 

keep forgetting this is a Clients forum to discuss escorts.. Carry on.

[BuckyXTC]

I heard a cool quote recently that is germane to the topic at hand: "What you think of me is none of my business".

 

I'm really not concerned about what escorts might say about me as a client, because, as the quote says, "it's none of my business". I don't spend much time at all worrying about what others may think of me, and as a result, I am a pretty happy camper. If we're comfortable living within our own skin, that's really what matters.

 

BuckyXTC

[Guest starfucker]

I would like to see what the escorts have to say about clients.

Their responses are often more revealing than the reviews written about them.

[BewareofNick]

Thanks deej. You are truly a gentleman

[+ deej]

Don't tell nobody. Wouldn't want to ruin the reputation.

[MiamiLooker]

"A private escort forum existed for a long time, and nobody even knew about it except the escorts. It became an issue when a loose screw posted confidential information from that forum here, in public."

 

What keeps this from happening again? What keeps a post from the private forum from being copied and posted either on this public one or another? How is it determined that only trustworthy escorts, and only those that will remain trustworthy, have access to the forum?

[Rick Munroe]

BofN's response above is, as they say on Match Game '77, the definitive answer. A few of my escort buddies have told me that they hesitate posting here because of possible backlash, and an Escorts Only section would be beneficial to them as an outlet.

For those who are concerned about what will be said in that section, let me assuage (I love that word) your fears. As someone who was a participant in the old private forum, I don't recall it being used to trash "bad clients" or review clients in general. For the most part, we used it to trade marketing info, and other general questions re: rates, travel, etiquette, client hygiene, etc. I honestly don't recall specific client names or aliases being mentioned. (Or, there might have been a couple of postings asking if anyone had heard of a certain guy who had offered someone an extended trip & whether this person was reputable, or something like that.)

What no one realizes is that for quite a long time, no one was really contributing to the Escorts Only section anyway & it was kind of dead.

[Guest alanm]

I have a concern about clients not being able to repond. Several years ago I hired an escort from an agency in NY mostly on the very strong recommendation of the owner. It was a Saturday night and the escort came on time at 10 p.m. with a bunch of gifts and food for a party he was about to attend. The sex was rushed because he kept looking at his watch. He probably stayed all of 40 minutes before he was off to his party. After a lot of thought, I reported him to the agency the next day. The agency was great about it and charged me half price the next time. He did not lose his job, but if this forum had existed he could have said anything he wanted to about me and I would not have been able to respond. This escort was just a jerk; he probably didn't have it together enough, but some other escort might. In a similar situation now, I would think longer and harder about complaining to the agency. I later learned from other escorts at the agency that he is not liked by the other escort, but the owner seems to really like him.

[BewareofNick]

>BofN's response above is, as they

>say on Match Game '77,

>the definitive answer.

 

Thanks Rick. I appreciate that. One question, though. Since I can assume Hooboy is Gene Rayburn, and you would probably be Richard Dawson, does that make me Brett Somers or Charles Nelson Reilly?

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

I am not sure how this story reflects on the disadvantages of a closed forum, if in fact the escort did say something harsh in the closed forum what damage would have been done to you? Lose your job? Become known as the "lame client not worth the money to take from" Fill me in here.........

 

This forum is basically client centered. We dont get a say in wether we are posted here, we dont get much opportunity to stay discreet, everything we do, say or where we go is discussed and aired freely withing the pages of this website. if I was to go to post a "personal" ad on a site that suggest risky sexual behavior, it would take no more than a couple of days to be posted here and let everyone know I was aids ridden, drugged out and high risk to you as a client.

 

Where can I as an escort go to let others know that my client had an std???? Not here,,, thats for sure. But if I had one,,,,,lord have mercy on me. My income, reputaion ect is shot.

 

This job is a rewarding and yet difficult job to maintain, its a proven fact as to the many turnovers seen daily. So why try to make it even tougher than it already is? We are put under the microscope 24/7 looking and searching for flaws. And then ridiculed for the "outrageous" fees I charge. My carreer will last in a perfect world about 5 years, not even half of an average for the standard working american male.

 

I know for some of you its hard to fathom not having your say in the matter, due to the fact you are the one with the money. But sometimes ya gotta let go of the control issues stored deep inside. I am not trying in any way to be bitchy or mena, just stating facts. What is the big issue? How will it effect you? Will it stop you from being able to hire again??? Not a chance!!!

[Will]

The whole purpose of M4M as I understand it is to improve our little square millimeter of the sex industry, i.e., to help both escorts and clients enjoy each other's company even more than they do now. However, as things stand now, it's very asymmetrical. For the most part, clients have the last word; even if an escort posts a rebuttal to an unfavorable review, the unfavorable review stands as written. I don't recall that I've ever seen a client re-write a review because it was unfair, or because the escort's explanation of the matter cleared up any misunderstanding.

 

Furthermore, clients who post here can say anything they like about any escort; but the opposite is by no means the case. I think one reason for this is that somehow many clients treat escorts as though they were commodities, to be bought and sold at the pleasure of the client.

 

But that is a degrading attitude to take to both parties because escorts are human beings, not objects. Furthermore, it completely overlooks the ethical position of clients like me who hire escorts like the ones who appear here. I regard engaging an escort as a professional activity, no different from engaging a lawyer, a doctor, a therapist, or anyone else whose experience and expertise I seek to help me improve the quality of my life -- not to fix my television set, to work on my car, or to cut my grass. I also regard the escort as no less worthy of courtesy, respect, interest, and so on than anyone else.

 

In order for professionals to be able to do their job best, they need to talk with each other, on their own. That's partially what professional associations are for. By providing an escorts-only forum here, HooBoy will create a venue where escorts can talk about what they need to talk about, including clients.

 

In the long run, an escorts-only board would improve service, which is in the best interests of clients. I say, Go for it!

[mmk]

"Thanks Rick. I appreciate that. One question, though. Since I can assume Hooboy is Gene Rayburn, and you

would probably be Richard Dawson, does that make me Brett Somers or Charles Nelson Reilly? "

 

To be quite honest BoN, they both had about the same amount of testosterone so that would be a difficult choice. You could either be a person in a toupee and ascot or someone who was married to Jack Klugman. Glad I do not have to make that choice. (To be quite honest, I would choose to be semi regular guest star Marcia Wallace)

[Guest jc92103]

I have no problem with an escort only section, only a few concerns. I will think twice about writing a bad review from now on. The escort can easily retaliate by blackballing me in the private forum. How much private information will be disclosed about us clients? I don't want to be referred to as "that guy off of the 805 in the blue house behind the Arco station." Can I register under a different name and all of the sudden become an escort? What stops me from doing this and asking Hooboy for access?

 

Overall, I'm a nice guy, I take a long shower before I see an escort, I have perfect teeth and minty fresh breath, I pay AND tip very well, I only practice safe sex and I don't care if an escort can cum or not. No worries here! Just to be safe though...the e-mail address I use to contact an escort is not the same as the one I use here.