NYC Rates

[+ purplekow]

>Lucky covered most of it. But why not bargain with your

>doctor? Or at the very least shop around.

>

>The heart of the new HSA plans the Bush administration wants

>everyone to have is that it puts healthcare decisions in your

>hands rather than getting some cookie-cutter care with

>pre-planned rates and coverage.

 

As it is now, insurance companies do the bargaining for you by discounting Dr's rates if they participate with the plan.

Medicare not only discounts, they set the fees. That is not true for lawyers, dentists or escorts.

 

That is what we need, Mediscort, government sponsored escorting with rates preset by the Congress and signed by the president. Don't be expecting 20% increases though.

[KY_TOP]

>After some of these exhaulted $300 per hour studs have spent

>the week waiting for their phone to ring, without success due,

>to their rates, they might comtemplate the $1400 that could be

>in their jeans had they advertised a price of $200 (which

>frankly is a damn good hourly rate of pay for most of us mere

>mortals)

 

You made some very good pints. But it does seem that escorts in a few markets, mainly LA & NYC, are getting people to pay these rates. Therefore a reduction of rates will not come about because the markets there are bearing them. I know one escort that stated he only wanted "High" class clients and that they were willing to pay his $300+ hourly fee. He has a 6 figure income and is successfully saving and investing to retire in a few more years. So many people may not pay it but many will. Apparently enough to keep those guys in business.

 

I've paid $300 per hour a couple of times but most of the time the escort discounts the 2nd or multi hour visit. (Example $300 1st hour; $200 for the second. So I end up actually with $250 per hour) I've had a few tell me they don't like single hour visits so by discounting the 2nd hour, they actually make more money and have fewer 1 hour clients.

 

Also do you think there is a difference if a well known charges $300 versus the unknown escort that arrives on the stage?

[RockHard]

"Here's an analogy that will I'm sure bite me on the ass for YEARS to come but I feel is applicable in this situation:

 

You went shopping on Priceline and found a hotel you wanted. The rate was out of your range so you didn't purchase it. You are now being given the option to name your own price and the website can give you the option of taking your offer or declining it."

 

I'm not sure this bad analogy warrants a bite in the ass but comparing an intimate encounter with a human being to the service Priceline provides is too silly to ponder.

 

"So do you guys agree or disagree with my attitude?"

 

If your behavior makes you happy, why seek the approval of others? There is no right or wrong in making this decision. It seems, strictly, an issue of personal taste and/or style.

 

I think an escort would be smarter if he advertised that fees are negotiable upfront; that way, a customer might not be surprised or turned off when the escort comes back to make a second offer.

 

Frankly, when it comes to ALL self-employed business folk, I believe fees are always open to negotiation unless specified otherwise, especially if a service is personalized.

[JT Brooklyn]

KY.. I do also find it Funny, that the Working Guy's who Advertise for "High Class Client's", think $300 an hour is going to Guarantee High Class Hookups!

 

"Self Importance" is quite a Delusion, suffered by Some International Traveler's also....

 

No Names, But IF anyone wants I can "Email them in Private" After making this "Public Statement".. LOL

 

I equate High Class Hookups with High Class Working "Girl's" Myself! LOL

 

:P

[Charlus]

Medescort !! I love it. How about a version for low income clients? Medescaid?

[mansniffing]

$200 for the hour should be sufficient. On occasion $250. $300? FORGET IT. Conservatively if you worked one trick a day at $200 for five days you would earn $1,000 for the week. Not bad for five hours of work. I have noted that many escorts in NYC advertising on Rentboy also place ads on Craig's list hoping to drum up business. A good example of a professional was Reece R. who did one trick a day at $200 an hour and you had to book in advance. He encouraged two hours and was very successful. Two hours with Reece were the most satisfying two hours I ever spent with any man for hire. Since Reece's retirement I haven't found a satisfactory replacement.

[+ glutes]

The NYC rates are here in SF too, I won't psy $300/hr.

Steven Draker was here earlier at $350/hr., won't be seeing him anymore either.;(

[Louis]

"Remember, only the Gentiles pay retail."

My uncle was a banker in Winnipeg, and he helped many Jewish business men. Anyways he told me, that for his Jewish friends, they expected people to try to negotiate lower prices. It was part of the atmosphere if you will. People do the same when they sell cars or houses. I always tell my friends to ask more than what you think its worth, and then when someone wants to negociate a price.. the buyer feels good because he was able to make you go down in price and you feel good, because the person paid the price you origionally wanted.

[Guest ript4hire]

I've seen this sort of thread before and I have always refrained from

posting - I think because the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my

mouth. However, I want to bring something up: why does a public

discussion of escorts' rates always involve insults and trash talking?

 

There is obviously a feeling of resentment that some working boys are

charging what some posters feel to be exorbitant rates. I would

understand this level of outrage if we were talking about some sort of

public utility or necessity (ie “the damn gas company has raised their

prices, how can we afford heat now?”). But instead we are talking

about less than 20% of the industry, and about an industry that you

don’t have to patronize if you don’t want to.

 

It is simply disheartening to read comments like these:

 

“they … have little experience at what it is like to earn a living”

Last time I checked, I earned the money that is given to me at the end

of a session. I also hold down a day job. I think a lot of clients

have a somewhat limited view of what escorting is really like. There

are times that it is great fun, of course! But there are times that

it is hard work as well.

 

“$250 ... is waay out of line!”

Well we quickly went from criticizing the $300/hr boys, to criticizing

the $250/hr guys. Of which I am one. And I guess here is where I

have the problem. It has been said time and time again: if you don’t

want to pay the fee, then hire someone else. But there is no need to

tell people that they are being greedy or out of line or anything

else. I would never dream of starting a thread like this: “to all the

clients who haven’t hired me because I am not in the $200-$220 range,

I think you are cheap.” I wouldn’t say that, because I don’t believe

it. Wanting to pay less for something doesn’t make you cheap. Just

as wanting more money for a service that you take pride in doesn’t

make you greedy.

 

“DUMB with Deep Pockets”

This is actually what I find most disheartening in the whole thread.

I have a client who sometimes hires other guys to play with us.

Several times the second escort has been of the $300/hour variety. On

those occasions, this lovely man has raised my rate to $300 as well,

since as he put it “I am not about to pay you less that that guy.” It

was a kind, generous and totally classy thing to do. And I will not

have him labeled “dumb with deep pockets.” We all make different

incomes, and money means different things to all of us. We should

leave it at that.

 

To sum up (and I realize this has been lengthy), I think Lookin said it best:

“… it’s up to each of us to figure out what the hookup is worth to us”

 

So find that guy that you think it hot, who is charging what you want

to pay, and go have a BLAST. And when we have discourses like these,

try and take the high road and not insult people.

 

Eric (who is now stepping off his soap box)

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Well said Eric,

 

It's the law of supply & demand here: If there are rentboys who can charge that much and consistently get it without reverting to bargaining, then good for them. I applaud it. Added, it's also their CHOICE to charge that much, just as it's the client's CHOICE to pay that rate.

 

What we don't need, as Eric mentioned, are people here who are bitter about how much certain escorts charge and feel it necessary to browbeat them about it. Isn't this board supposed to be a 'support' community for those who are interested this particular niche of gay-dom?

 

As with most things in life, there are tiers of quality, usually seperated by a cost factor. While not always the case, in theory the more money you pay, the better quality the product. I'm always happy when i hear about a new-escort-find who's providing great service for a low rate, but it's usually the other way around: Clients wondering why they got the shaft when their boy-de-jour was found on Craigslist for $75/hr.

 

You sometimes get what you pay for. Buyer beware.

 

As one-time San Antonio escort Bryan Young once said to me: 'Ben, You don't go to the flea market to buy Prada luggage.'

 

LOL. Still makes me laugh

 

 

 

BN

[Steven_Draker]

stable rates

 

>Steven Draker was here earlier at $350/hr

 

Dear Glutes,

This is the third time on this Message Board that you're trying to insinuate something that isn't true. My rate has NEVER been $350/hr.

 

My rate is $250/hour and has been stable for several years. You may check out the reviews for factual information. Furthermore, I offer a discount for a multiple hour meetings. My second hour is $200. Even though my business increased during the years, I decided not to increase my fees. Often, I have to turn some inquiries down or select the guys I want to see.

 

Please enlighten me and the readers where and when did you see $350/hr ??

Hey, at $350 I wouldn't hire myself either ... :+

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.HotSexyStud.com

[SAdler]

Last time I got into "this" particular debate my comments were taken out of context so I'm going to thank BN and Eric for their comments. They both put in AWESOME responses and I'm pretty sure they've put in most of my sentiments. There's no need to get overly repetitive so I'll only put my input in if things start spinning.

 

But here's a thought ...

 

5 Appointments x $300 + $100 (tips) = $1600

 

5 Appointments = 5 Hours Work + ~2.5 Hours Prep + ~1 Hour Travel = 8.5 Hours Work

 

8.5 Hours Work = $189.00/hr

 

7 Appointments x $200 + $200 (tips) = $1600

 

7 Appointments = 7 Hours Work + ~3.5 Hours Prep + ~2 Hour Travel = 13.5 Hours Work

 

13.5 Hours Work = $119/hr

 

Obviously most of these figures are estimated but should definitely be taken into consideration when analyzing whether or not escorts know the value of a days work. I was beging generous on the tipping because of the consensus on this board that the lower rate guys get tipped more often.

 

This of course doesn't take grooming, the gym, and overall upkeep etc. As Eric pointed out, a lot of us also also maintain regular day jobs and try to have social lives as well. You can't really be an escort if you're not in a socially idyllic body or else everyone could do it, it's not simply a matter of "would." Granted we're not sitting at a desk all day dealing with stress or standing on our feet; but we're by no means sitting at Starbucks from open to close doing nothing until we have our next appointment.

 

Adding more appointments (in my opinion) prevents each meeting from being the best it can be. Some people burn out sexually, emotionally, or just physically. I would think I client would rather someone bring their "A game" because they're not playing much instead of someone who as zipper so eloquently pointed out is aiming to make only a few hundred dollars more in a day to see more people.

 

That's not by any means to say that people that charge less are providing less of a service, but if they cum every time, fuck, exert themselves ... fatigue is just part of biology.

 

Finally zipper made the comment that escorts don't appreciate how hard it is for the Average Joe to make that kind of money...no, I'm going to hold my tongue on that one and just ask why every Average Joe doesn't drive a Bentley or go on vacation twice a month. It's not a bad thing, it's just capitalism. Some people can afford things more regularly than others and people who have to question what they can afford have to decide what is most important to them.

 

Damn. I thought I was shutting up and leaving it to Eric and Ben

[Rick Munroe]

RE: stable rates

 

>you're trying to insinuate something that isn't true.

 

http://www.beavton.k12.or.us/jacob_wismer/leahy/2001/idioms/kettle1.jpg

[Rick Munroe]

>"Remember, only the Gentiles pay retail."

 

My parents are Jewish and they not only pay retail, but they sometimes go out of their way to pay more than they have to, just because, for example, they like a certain store. I've tried to take them to Century 21 or show them how they can get stuff cheaper online, but they don't care. Maybe they were sold to Jewish gypsies at birth and really have Gentile blood...

[Lookin]

As a client, I fully support what Eric and Benjamin wrote. It just doesn’t make sense to me that I should play a part in deciding how an escort should run his business. I may decide I don’t want to pay that rate, but I wouldn’t expect a successful escort to change what he’s doing in order to accommodate my budget. Now, if a number of clients have the same budget I do, and the escort finds himself priced out of the market, he can make whatever fee adjustments are necessary to bring him to his sweet spot (or to bring me to his sweet spot ). So far, I feel this is similar to many other service businesses.

 

The added dimension with escorting, in my opinion, is feelings and egos. Escorts provide, and clients enjoy, a VERY personal service. I think it’s right up there with psychiatry. It’s very tricky when you try mixing money and emotions together. I think it takes a true professional to do that well. I know I wouldn’t have the cajones to be an escort, even if balding guys in their sixties became a real hot item.

 

If I worked hard and provided a service that was both physically and emotionally fulfilling to my clients, it would definitely hurt to have somebody say “You’re not worth that much.” Of course, what the client would really be saying is “You’re not worth that much to me.” And that’s a whole different animal. The issue might really be that the client’s investments went downhill, and he’s on a budget now, and he has to give up some things he really likes. But generalizing his circumstances to the rest of the world and blaming the escort is unfair, and may cause unintended harm.

 

Clients also have emotions and egos tied up in the escort experience. If I really enjoyed being with a guy, and his price went up past the point I felt comfortable paying, it would naturally be a bummer. If he “grandfathered” my old rate, that would be a real ego boost; it says he wants to keep me around. If he said he’s started escorting full time, and needs the higher rate to cover his expenses, I could handle that, since it wouldn’t mean something was wrong with me. But if he said he was trying to weed out the riff-raff, it would definitely be a hit to my ego.

 

As with most dealings between people, I think it comes down to respect. We all want it, and we’re all pretty good at knowing whether or not we’re getting it. But sometimes we forget to figure out if we’re giving it to others. And almost every time we start judging others, it turns out that we’re not.

 

My two cents.

[JT Brooklyn]

The $200-$220 Guys Rock!...

 

Since they are in the Majority "Still", I doubt IF we will see a Mindset Change or a "Union Started' by a few, who choose to Play in a Different Sandbox.

 

Enjoy your Sandbox Gentlemen, which ever Box you chose to put yourselves in.

[Damascene]

When I first hired in the late eighties, the cost was $150 in Rounds or through an ad. I've seen the cost go up, it is a nature of inflation and the cost of living. Even in the 80's there were guys who charge $300, they were out of my range then. Not so much know.

 

It is supply and demand. If a working guy can get $300, that's economics. Omer, the pornstar, started in New York at $180 and now charges $300. His demand went up while his supply is limited.

 

That said many escorts will keep their rates the same for good customers. Good business sense for steady income.

 

In five years someone will be squawking about prices going up $400.

[JT Brooklyn]

Dama...No Worries The "Sqawkers" won't Pay $300. That's left best to the "Gawker's" to do!

 

The "Seller's & Buyer's" BOTH Justify & Dignify as best they can, what they do! When it's "Not Paid For" it doesn't have to be Justified, it's just called "Getting Laid".....

[RockHard]

RE: Responding to Eric

 

"I've seen this sort of thread before and I have always refrained from posting"

 

Refrain no more, you hot, smart man. Even though you did overuse the word "disheartening," your post was a refreshing read. Wish we had more refreshment from the boys on board. Nice work, Eric.

 

"why does a public discussion of escorts' rates always involve insults and trash talking?"

 

It's not just escort's rates, dear. You'll hear trash-talk on everything when the subject turns to what people want but can't afford, even if the brand is silly, little Starbucks. Bitching seems much easier than actually going out and doing something about your financial state of being, or that pot belly, or your bad breath. That's the way life is (at least for some people).

 

"There is obviously a feeling of resentment that some working boys are charging what some posters feel to be exorbitant rates."

 

What's a poor boy supposed to do when his dick gets hard seeing a sexy pic of your massive meat and then his dick goes into soft-shock when he discovers the prime costs $250 an hour? Imagine Scott Adler without her Prada, or that tongue: talk about resentment.

 

When a customer covets something they can't afford, the coveting doesn't go away. Typically, it intensifies, which explains the success of knock-offs. Imagine a knock-off of you, Eric. At $150 an hour, I'd bet the knock-off would do quite well, financially.

 

I'm always surprised to read when a hot, gay escort questions resentment in the gay marketplace. I know that the "hotness factor" is relatively meaningless in the scheme of things but don't tell that to the poor boy with a hard-on who's jackin' to your pics and dreamin', while sitting on an empty wallet.

 

"It is simply disheartening to read comments like these: “they … have little experience at what it is like to earn a living”"

 

I can't believe you quoted old zippermouth. She's ugly and broke and I hear her breath is like shit in a sewer. She can't afford a dentist. Her state of horny-ness has left her broke. What sort of attitude could you possibly expect from such a broken gay man?

 

Let's not forget, many clients CAN'T GET SEX WITH A HOT MAN. The ONLY way they can fulfill a sex-with-a-hot-man fantasy is to pay for it. If we want to talk about broken hearts, let's talk about a gay man who's fat, homely, sour, and broke, with a tiny penis, who has to pay for his gay sex with a hot man. Some gay men haven't found a way to love and accept what God gave them. And their longing for what they never had, and can't have, is overwhelming and powerful. There's a ton of bitterness and resentment out there, Eric. What world are you living in?

 

"if you don’t want to pay the fee, then hire someone else."

 

If only such simplicity could shed this world of all gay men's pain and heartache.

 

"And when we have discourses like these, try and take the high road and not insult people."

 

Not every gay man is driving on the high road and internet forums are a terrific way to vent anger and frustration. It's best not to take the insults too seriously or too personally (I should know). After all, we are all anonymous in one way or another.

 

Class warfare is alive and well and I don't see it disappearing in the escort arena any time soon. I have no problem with price-point bitch-fests: I view these as healthy opportunities to lash out and express anger. Not being able to afford a HOT, well-reviewed gay escort is a good reason to be angry. Half the fun for many of the clients is to get a new "fix" and the price-points are killing the fun.

 

I'm still chuckling at Scott Adler's 2.5 hours of prep time: step away from the mirror, dear, put down the flat-iron, and stop plucking those bushy-Jewish-brows.

 

Happy fucking soap box, y'all. :-)

[augustman]

Interesting to see where the big market rates are going. How they transcend to places like the midwest that may be a different story. Also whether they are a traveling guy in town to his home port has some play into it, as well. I never hire for an hour as no one ever comes where I live willingly, so it always multi-hour. Almost all guys give a multi-hour discount which I do appreciate but never ask for.

 

I have been fortunate to for the most part deal with gentlemen who understand client service. Whether it is a multi-hour or an overnight, I lay out the scenario and finsih my conversation by asking them to include the appropriate donation level and they respond in kind. So even if they may state a rate of $300 it does not mean I toss them out of consideration, it can come down to how you present the package. He gives me his options and I can politely decline or accept.

 

As we have often discussed, communication is at the center of almost all of the discussion. I always think it is equally important that the client present himself in the clearest light, as well. Having the escort feel comfortable about you can also have some play in it.

 

In the end how a guy wants run his business is his choice. For JT, you have hundreds of guys to pick from, same for LA, Frisco and Florida. For a lot of us the pickings are slim and one hour appts may not work. Sometimes value and price are not always the same. We each have to make a choice. The fact some guys may wish to charge more hey if they can get it great. How much a guy charges does always equate to the experience. I have gone high once or twice when I thought the value would be there and in those two cases I was right on one account and wrong the other.

[+ glutes]

RE: stable rates

 

Well it has been almost a year Steven, I take it back if incorrect.

Do let us know when you are back in the Bay Area!

[JT Brooklyn]

Augustman.. I could not Agree with you more. I realize how Fortunate as Far as Choice's do go in the Larger Markets... NYC-Miami-LaLaLand that the Rate Range is varied. Also that the Quality of Service doesn't depend on the Rates Charged....

 

Usually when this subject is brought up, Some of The "High End" Working Guy's, are the Only One's to make a Big Deal about what they feel should be really NOT Discussed, and take this Discussion Way to Seriously, as IF it will Bring Down THEIR Rates. Don't worry Guy's that will never happen. America is a Great Country! LOL :P

[Guest DickHo]

>Haven't been to NYC for awhile but I remember the uproar here

>when people there started charging $250 per hour. I think some

>of the best escorts in the country are in California but it

>seems $300 plus is becoming the norm there.

 

http://www.myspace.com/edward90046

 

Here's one charging $500 an hour...but he's offering 35% discount on to some clients in January.

[Steven_Draker]

RE: stable rates

 

>Well it has been almost a year Steven, I take it back if incorrect.

 

No hard feelings.

 

>Do let us know when you are back in the Bay Area!

 

I'll keep you posted with my travel plans to San Francisco, Glutes.

 

Best, Steven ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com

[Funseeker 22]

>http://www.myspace.com/edward90046

>

>Here's one charging $500 an hour...but he's offering 35%

>discount on to some clients in January.

 

Very nice looking guy there.

 

You also have http://www.sereen.com who`s in the same range although he advertises on CL so not sure how biz is going for him. Why does his pic remind me of David Gartner ?.