Don't fall asleep on the subway!!!

[samhexum]

Two people are dead after having fallen asleep in their seats on the subway in NYC the last few days.

A man on the 7 train in Queens woke up at 12:35 AM to somebody trying to rob him, and a brawl broke out involving several of the robber's friends and eventually the man who had been sleeping was stabbed in the chest, and he died at the hospital. Someone else was slashed in the face, but so far nobody has been arrested, I believe.

I think this was a day after a woman who was asleep on an F train that was idling at the station in Coney Island at 7:30 AM had her clothes set on fire by a man using a cigarette lighter who calmly walked away as she burned to death.

The NYPD was able to get a good face pic and released it and three teenagers spotted him that evening and called the cops.

I can imagine the kind of RAGE their families must be feeling on top of the grief they feel.

I guess there are advantages to using a walker and feeling too uncomfortable and unsafe to travel any way other than by car.

RIP

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, samhexum said:

a woman who was asleep on an F train that was idling at the station in Coney Island at 7:30 AM had her clothes set on fire by a man using a cigarette lighter who calmly walked away as she burned to death.

Did he walk away ? I think he actually sat there and watched her burn for a while.

[Km411]

Yes, that’s what I read; he exited the train, sat on a platform bench, and watched.

[samhexum]

Then eventually just walked away like nothing happened.

[+ augustus]

So much depravity in the world.  I'm disgusted.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Horrible.

[+ azdr0710]

 

too soon?.......

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by azdr0710

[DWsoccer]

Yes, and the murderer is an illegal alien from Guatemala who was already deported once.  

 

[samhexum]

25 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

 

too soon?.......

 

 

 

I see she covered one of my favorite Chipmunks songs

 

 

[+ Italiano]

I have to take the F Subway today. Definitely I will NOT fall asleep.

[ShortCutie7]

I also have to take the subway today for the first time in months (fortunately a number train)… I used to take the F train every day 😬

[+ azdr0710]

4 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

I also have to take the subway today for the first time in months (fortunately a number train)… I used to take the F train every day 😬

I'm no New York novice, but I do need to ask why number trains are apparently 'safer' than letter trains?.....thanks

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

I'm no New York novice, but I do need to ask why number trains are apparently 'safer' than letter trains?.....thanks

Difference between numbered trains and lettered trains:  The numbered trains are narrower than the lettered trains.  While the track widths are the same for both, the tunnel widths are narrower for the lettered trains.  So, a lettered train can never be re-routed through a numbered track tunnel or station, because the wider lettered trains won't fit. 

While there's no statistical difference in crime on lettered vs numbered trains, numbered trains are known for better reliability.  Numbered subway trains are on time about 79% of the time, compared to only 68% of the lettered trains (from New York Times, 2019).  Lettered lines have older equipment and less efficient computer controls than the numbered lines. 

While both types of trains travel through undesirable neighborhoods, it may give some comfort to passengers waiting for a numbered train that they are less likely to spend time waiting on a subway platform or stopped train than those using the lettered trains.

[ShortCutie7]

21 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

I'm no New York novice, but I do need to ask why number trains are apparently 'safer' than letter trains?.....thanks

There is no direct difference in safety (in my experience); I only said that because the incidents happened on an F train and a 7 train and I will be taking the 2 or 3.  That said, the number trains in my experience have been faster, and less time on/waiting for the train means less potential for something to happen.

Edited December 24, 2024 by ShortCutie7

[+ Italiano]

19 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

There is no direct difference in safety (in my experience); I only said that because the incidents happened on an F train and a 7 train and I will be taking the 2 or 3.  That said, the number trains in my experience have been faster, and less time on/waiting for the train means less potential for something to happen.

Oh yes. I live by a F train Station and F train sucks. Not as much as years ago, but still sucks.

[samhexum]

Maniac slashes 2 people at Grand Central subway station in separate attacks

MERRY XMAS!

[d.anders]

I take the subway all the time. The only crimes I have witnessed are young people jumping the turnstiles. That has been going on for 50+ years. These past six months, I've seen plenty of cops underground, and the trains are packed, sardine packed, and I'm not talking about rush hour. It seems lots of tourists this year.

The homeless woman who got burned was in a parked train at the last stop on Coney Island. The suspect appears to have mental problems, and more details are to come. During the very cold spells, more homeless are using the trains to get warm. The homeless situation in NYC has never been good, but since Covid, it's been very bad.

Last week, I stepped onto a packed Q train. Lying on one of the 4-seat sections was a very thin homeless guy, shirtless. He had his hand down his pants, and he was mumbling something. He looked like someone on heroin, possibly in his 30's. It was not an easy thing to witness. It was freezing outside. People rushed to get inside this car, but when they discovered him, they were stuck. The train's doors had already closed, and there was no room to move anywhere. I wasn't close enough to experience his odor. He was a mess (but had the potential to be good looking).

There has always been crime in the subways, especially in winter. So many among the homeless in America are suffering from mental illness. There are no easy answers or remedies.

[ShortCutie7]

1 hour ago, Italiano said:

Oh yes. I live by a F train Station and F train sucks. Not as much as years ago, but still sucks.

I took the F train every day for about a decade.  It got so bad (delays, rerouting, crowding, crazy people) that I switched to the Q train, which is a longer walk but felt safer and took about the same amount of time… it was only slightly better but worth the extra steps.  Since the pandemic, I have been commuting 98% of the time via express bus (which can take significantly longer than the train usually did) to mitigate the health and safety risks.  The few times I have had to take a train have actually not been so bad- in fact, yesterday when I took the 2 train to an event, it was relatively empty and perhaps my smoothest subway commute ever.

33 minutes ago, d.anders said:

Last week, I stepped onto a packed Q train. Lying on one of the 4-seat sections was a very thin homeless guy, shirtless. He had his hand down his pants, and he was mumbling something. He looked like someone on heroin, possibly in his 30's. It was not an easy thing to witness. It was freezing outside. People rushed to get inside this car, but when they discovered him, they were stuck. The train's doors had already closed, and there was no room to move anywhere. I wasn't close enough to experience his odor. He was a mess (but had the potential to be good looking).

I used to see people matching this description all the time on the Q!  Fortunately from my experience, if you don’t engage with them, they don’t bother you.  The homeless people and beggars on the F were much more aggressive.

[d.anders]

1 hour ago, ShortCutie7 said:

I used to see people matching this description all the time on the Q!

It was a first for me. I have never seen a half-naked homeless man, playing with his dick, lying down on 4 seats during the day in Manhattan. I use the Q train regularly to get to the Upper East Side. The new 2nd Ave portion is fantastic. No faster way to get to the East 90's.

1 hour ago, ShortCutie7 said:

The homeless people and beggars on the F were much more aggressive.

I often take the F to Red Hook in Brooklyn or north to Rockefeller Center. All the people who take trains in NYC look the same to me. Most look like hard-working New Yorkers, or tourists. Yes, there are quite a few beggars, but begging in the NYC subways has been present long before I moved here. It never occurred to me to grade a train by "aggressive" beggars. Everyone in NYC seems aggressive to me. How else can one survive this fabulous jungle?

[ShortCutie7]

54 minutes ago, d.anders said:

It was a first for me. I have never seen a half-naked homeless man, playing with his dick, lying down on 4 seats during the day in Manhattan. I use the Q train regularly to get to the Upper East Side. The new 2nd Ave portion is fantastic. No faster way to get to the East 90's.

I often take the F to Red Hook in Brooklyn or north to Rockefeller Center. All the people who take trains in NYC look the same to me. Most look like hard-working New Yorkers, or tourists. Yes, there are quite a few beggars, but begging in the NYC subways has been present long before I moved here. It never occurred to me to grade a train by "aggressive" beggars. Everyone in NYC seems aggressive to me. How else can one survive this fabulous jungle?

Ah, I’m on the opposite end of the Q train (south Brooklyn).  I used to see a “half-naked homeless man, playing with his dick, lying down on 4 seats” at least once a week (and it was not the same man every time).  When I say “aggressive” I mean on the F they would get in passengers’ faces and ask them directly for things or just yell at them.  The half-naked men on the Q who were just lying across seats doing their own thing never did that.  Again, this is all just my personal experiences from regularly riding the subways between 2003 and 2020.

[+ augustus]

On 12/24/2024 at 12:15 PM, azdr0710 said:

I'm no New York novice, but I do need to ask why number trains are apparently 'safer' than letter trains?.....thanks

The lettered trains run through some rough neighborhoods.