Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs Facing Sex Charges

[Lotus-eater]

3 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Thank you for posting this. Interesting statement about older less attractive men raping younger women. I also wonder about athletes/jocks who simply can't take a NO in a date because they think they're entitled. 

I'm not even opposed to the idea that domination is mixed in with sexual desire. I just disagree with the formulation that denies that sexual desire is a critical part of the explanation.

[marylander1940]

7 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

I cannot believe you published this pile of garbage from Quilette. Please provide the citation for this claim: " Homosexual men actually have as high an offense rate as heterosexual men. Gay men are just as likely to attack males as straight men are to attack females." 

Of course, the article was written by two old white men. I hope law enforcement is keeping track of them because if they they rape is about sex, they're dangerous. 

I'm also surprised about that I don't think gay men rape as much as straight do especially considering in most cases women are not as strong as men and therefore just can't fight back.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 minutes ago, Lotus-eater said:

I'm not even opposed to the idea that domination is mixed in with sexual desire. I just disagree with the formulation that denies that sexual desire is a critical part of the explanation.

The formulation doesn't preclude sexual desire being part of the equation. It just puts it after the use of force and power to get "sex" without consent. 

[maninsoma]

I don't think anyone would argue that rape has nothing to do with sex.  It is a (typically) violent crime that involves sex.  It's just that the forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, whether through physical force, threat of physical force or incapacitating the victim is primary, not the sexual activity.  Otherwise it would just be a consensual sexual act. 

As to the greater likelihood of a younger woman being raped, there are more explanations for that than just them being more sexually desirable.  And before that statement gets attacked as wrong, I'm not saying that all perpetrators don't care what their victims look like; I'm only saying that younger women are more likely to become a victim due to other factors as well.

[marylander1940]

14 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

I don't think anyone would argue that rape has nothing to do with sex.  

Rape is non-consensual sex (by force, threat, intoxication, etc.) by definition.

Let me give you an example: Kobe Bryant raped that girl at a hotel because she refused to have sex with him. 

 

 

[pubic_assistance]

On 10/21/2024 at 7:51 PM, marylander1940 said:

I'm also surprised about that I don't think gay men rape as much as straight do especially considering in most cases women are not as strong as men and therefore just can't fight back.

I've been raped twice and I was a very fit/ muscular and strong wrestler at that point in my life. Once, I was the victim of having been raped by law enforcement and handcuffed and once being slipped a roofie. I don't think physical strength precluded me from being sexually assaulted. There are always ways around someone fighting you off.

Edited October 23, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[marylander1940]

1 minute ago, pubic_assistance said:

I've been raped twice and I was a very fit/ muscular and strong wrestler at that point in my life. Once, I was the victim of having been raped by law enforcement and handcuffed and once being slipped a roofie. I don't think physical strength precluded you from being sexually assaulted. There are always ways around someone fighting you off.

I'm aware of that and we believe you!

Obviously if drugs are involved there's no way for the victim to fight bag, I was simply saying that I just can't believe gay men rape as much as straight men. 

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I just can't believe gay men rape as much as straight men.

I think men are naturally predatory.  Gay men are just as sexually charged as straight men.

[marylander1940]

6 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I think men are naturally predatory.  Gay men are just as sexually charged as straight men.

gay men don't commit rape as much as straight men.

I'm not naturally predatory. 

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

gay men don't commit rape as much as straight men.

I'm not naturally predatory. 

The statistics would disagree with you. The percentage of the population who commit sexual assault  is around 30% whether they are straight or gay.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

3 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

The statistics would disagree with you. The percentage of the population who commit sexual assault  is around 30% whether they are straight or gay.

Again, I'll need a citation for that. As an SA survivor myself, two of my three assaults were by straight men. 

[pubic_assistance]

7 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Again, I'll need a citation for that. As an SA survivor myself, two of my three assaults were by straight men. 

Well ....ok. But personal experience and general statistics are different things.

If you care to share. I am genuinely curious...are you quite confident two of these men were straight identifying? Were you very young ? Was there a big difference in power dynamics ?

One of mine was by an openly gay men who was a friend of a friend and the other was an unknown closeted gay man. I knew he was so becasue I had sex with him twice after the initial sexual assault.  (Fucked up..I know). But I was pretty mixed up myself at the time.

[mike carey]

54 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Again, I'll need a citation for that. As an SA survivor myself, two of my three assaults were by straight men. 

It's easy to make incorrect deductions from limited data. One could draw the implausible conclusion from your experience that since two thirds the men who attacked you were straight, and that a far higher proportion of men are straight, that straight men are under-represented as perpetrators of sexual assault.

On a separate point, saying that straight men do something does not assert that all straight men do it.

[+ Lucky]

There are law enforcement statistics that show that 75% of sexual aggressors are male on female.

That stat was presented to me years ago, but I see no evidence that it has changed.

[pubic_assistance]

23 minutes ago, Lucky said:

There are law enforcement statistics that show that 75% of sexual aggressors are male on female.

Which makes sense since 10% of the population is gay and another 12 to 15% are actively bisexual. (Obviously the polling can be way off..but here the numbers make sense. )

 

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

The statistics would disagree with you. The percentage of the population who commit sexual assault  is around 30% whether they are straight or gay.

"The" gays don't rape as much as straight men. 

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by marylander1940

[pubic_assistance]

11 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

The" gays don't rape as much as straight men. 

I'm sure you WANT to believe that but the statistics don't line up with your thoughts on the matter. Men are men.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

36 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I'm sure you WANT to believe that but the statistics don't line up with your thoughts on the matter. Men are men.

Again. Please post a citation from a reputable source to support your frankly homophobic claim. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

1 hour ago, mike carey said:

It's easy to make incorrect deductions from limited data. One could draw the implausible conclusion from your experience that since two thirds the men who attacked you were straight, and that a far higher proportion of men are straight, that straight men are under-represented as perpetrators of sexual assault.

This is the point I was making. Asserting gay men commit sexual assault at the same rate as straight men is BS. No one has presented any evidence to support this claim. 

[Lotus-eater]

18 hours ago, maninsoma said:

I don't think anyone would argue that rape has nothing to do with sex.  It is a (typically) violent crime that involves sex.  It's just that the forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, whether through physical force, threat of physical force or incapacitating the victim is primary, not the sexual activity.  Otherwise it would just be a consensual sexual act. 

As to the greater likelihood of a younger woman being raped, there are more explanations for that than just them being more sexually desirable.  And before that statement gets attacked as wrong, I'm not saying that all perpetrators don't care what their victims look like; I'm only saying that younger women are more likely to become a victim due to other factors as well.

The common feminist narrative (in a rather Nietzschean move) denigrates sexual desire and reduces rape to a will to power. Rape as reproduction strategy or a sexual kink seems more plausible to me.

Why would younger women be preferred to weaker older women? Why are younger woman more likely to be raped by robbers? Sexual desire better explains the pattern does a will to power.

[Lotus-eater]

8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I think men are naturally predatory.  Gay men are just as sexually charged as straight men.

Agreed. As males, I don't see why gay men would be much less aggressive than straight men (but perhaps some think that gay men do little more than throw handkerchiefs on the ground to indicate interest). And homophobia induces some gay men to compensate by behaving in hypermasculine ways like sexual assault.

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Asserting gay men commit sexual assault at the same rate as straight men is BS. No one has presented any evidence to support this claim. 

And you didn't answer my question.

What are you basing your judgement on ? How do you feel that you KNOW your attackers were "straight" ?

The statistics are readily available online to back up my statement

[dutchal]

12 hours ago, Lucky said:

There are law enforcement statistics that show that 75% of sexual aggressors are male on female.

That stat was presented to me years ago, but I see no evidence that it has changed.

Whether it's accurate or not in terms of what law enforcement knows, the number of sexual assaults known to law enforcement is certainly far less than all and may not be a representative sample.

[+ Lucky]

8 hours ago, dutchal said:

Whether it's accurate or not in terms of what law enforcement knows, the number of sexual assaults known to law enforcement is certainly far less than all and may not be a representative sample.

Your point? Are you saying that these unknown sexual assaults would skewer the 3-1 stat I quote?

[dutchal]

15 hours ago, Lucky said:

Your point? Are you saying that these unknown sexual assaults would skewer the 3-1 stat I quote?

Yes, altho more precisely "could", not necessarily "would".

Edited October 24, 2024 by dutchal