Dallas - Ft. Worth sex sting

[soloyo215]

50 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Gas stations and highway motels are also usually the places where young girls trafficked are pimped or sold out to a new pimp in another market. Also cops know not to mess with high end prostitution. 

I'm not completely sure about that being the case. The issue of human trafficking is a little more complex like that, keeping in mind that the sex trade is only one aspect of it. I am no expert in the matter myself, but I am actually a member of ECPAT, which is more about children than adults, but trafficking and exploitation nonetheless. There's plenty of information about it in USA and other major cities in the world, and it's definitely more than the stereotypical pimp placing girls in corners, motels and truck stops.

[soloyo215]

34 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

It's possible but not probable. It would be a waste of time, resources, and money to set up male to male sting operations compared to the amount of people they can nab literally all day and night in the heterosexual world of pandering.  
 

*also noteworthy is the fact that RM being based in the Netherlands plays into all our favor. 

I agree. Besides, how exactly do you successfully raid a website with membership, providers and clientele from many parts of the world?

Personally I don't relate those news to RM, as I know that those events are not even remotely comparable with the use of RM. It is good, however, for us to remember the attitude and the overall views (bias) towards providers. Most importantly, the one thing that we might have in common is being an easy target for conservative political platforms. That's where I see the value of that type of news. In no way, shape of form do I think or feel like "we are next".

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, soloyo215 said:

I agree. Besides, how exactly do you successfully raid a website with membership, providers and clientele from many parts of the world?

Personally I don't relate those news to RM, as I know that those events are not even remotely comparable with the use of RM. It is good, however, for us to remember the attitude and the overall views (bias) towards providers. Most importantly, the one thing that we might have in common is being an easy target for conservative political platforms. That's where I see the value of that type of news. In no way, shape of form do I think or feel like "we are next".

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[ICTJOCK]

1 hour ago, Vin_Marco said:

It's possible but not probable. It would be a waste of time, resources, and money to set up male to male sting operations compared to the amount of people they can nab literally all day and night in the heterosexual world of pandering.  
 

*also noteworthy is the fact that RM being based in the Netherlands plays into all our favor. 

I would concur.   Always prudent for us to be aware of legal action of this kind and what can be and is out there.   I think with gay clientele from RM,   it would be a more expensive operation to prosecute those in a gay sting operation.   I also agree  with the comment above that it serves the politics of right wingers to show they are "large and in charge".

[+ The Big Guy]

Sadly, I don’t think we should assume the gay community will not be targeted even in Houston where we have a lesbian DA.  I won’t be hiring unless I go out of Texas.  

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, The Big Guy said:

Sadly, I don’t think we should assume the gay community will not be targeted even in Houston where we have a lesbian DA.  I won’t be hiring unless I go out of Texas.  

You had a lesbian mayor who once started a speech by saying something along the lines like that she knew this was the FIRST TIME  that....... and that people might be surprised that........ a female graduate from Rice University was elected lol 😂  ( much to the crowds delight 😂 ) 

For whatever it's worth, historically, Houston has been a city that has kept me busier than almost any other city excluding New York City and Washington DC. I've broken PR's in Houston 🤣 You do this long enough, you learn how long it might take to overstay your welcome
and Houston certainly allows for longer stays than any other city in the Lone Star ⭐️ State 😉

Edited September 22, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[+ tassojunior]

3 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

It's possible but not probable. It would be a waste of time, resources, and money to set up male to male sting operations compared to the amount of people they can nab literally all day and night in the heterosexual world of pandering.  
 

*also noteworthy is the fact that RM being based in the Netherlands plays into all our favor. 

if you think jailing homosexual predators is not very popular with law enforcement you have not known anyone caught up in that shuffle where the victim often ends up in prison.  

[MikeThomas]

When I hire, I only pay for our time together and good conversation, what ever else happens is between two consenting adults and isn't guaranteed 😀

[maninsoma]

I don't understand why anyone would think it would be too costly or difficult for a sting to happen via Rentmen.  We all know Rentmen doesn't really verify ads; just look at the number of posts made here where people point out that the guy pictured in the ad is not the person providing the service or, even worse, just easily obtainable photos of a good looking guy used to take money from men with no intention of providing any service at all.  I certainly believe that Homeland Security could run fake Rentmen ads to ensnare gay male clients if they decided to do so.

[caramelsub]

15 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

I don't understand why anyone would think it would be too costly or difficult for a sting to happen via Rentmen.  We all know Rentmen doesn't really verify ads; just look at the number of posts made here where people point out that the guy pictured in the ad is not the person providing the service or, even worse, just easily obtainable photos of a good looking guy used to take money from men with no intention of providing any service at all.  I certainly believe that Homeland Security could run fake Rentmen ads to ensnare gay male clients if they decided to do so.

I think it would be really hard to run fake rentmen ads to entrap clients. I’m pretty good at telling if escort ads are fake or not on rentmen. Plus I only hire established escorts with multiple reviews and/or have been positively discussed on this site. How would the police get the pictures to use for fake ads? Will the officers take nudes of themselves and post them on rentmen? They can’t steal pictures of other people and use them to lure clients. It would be easier for them to pursue the escorts than the clients in male for male escort services.

[+ tassojunior]

8 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

*also noteworthy is the fact that RM being based in the Netherlands plays into all our favor. 

Rentboy showed how vicious they can be going after a gay sex trafficking site. Unable to easily reach Rentmen, they may have to go against the individual clients in the US. That doesn't play into our favor.  

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

Rentboy showed how vicious they can be going after a gay sex trafficking site. Unable to easily reach Rentmen, they may have to go against the individual clients in the US. That doesn't play into our favor.  

Rentboy's headquarters was in NEW YORK CITY. Think about that. Rentmen is based where the alleged crimes are LEGAL!

[+ tassojunior]

38 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

Rentboy's headquarters was in NEW YORK CITY. Think about that. Rentmen is based where the alleged crimes are LEGAL!

i did a brief on the case for a RB defendant. Hiring for prostitution on Rentmen is done in the US by US clients with US providers. Doesn't matter if an internet message may go through servers in Amsterdam or Berlin if they go after clients. I always switch to Telegram a.s.a.p. when possible though US providers are slow to adopt it. . It's more fun and has free porn besides. Absolutely private, not saved long and can't be screenshotted. . 

[+ tassojunior]

18 hours ago, caramelsub said:

I think it would be really hard to run fake rentmen ads to entrap clients. I’m pretty good at telling if escort ads are fake or not on rentmen. Plus I only hire established escorts with multiple reviews and/or have been positively discussed on this site. How would the police get the pictures to use for fake ads? Will the officers take nudes of themselves and post them on rentmen? They can’t steal pictures of other people and use them to lure clients. It would be easier for them to pursue the escorts than the clients in male for male escort services.

Hon, you didn't watch enough To Catch a Predator. They arrest you when you show up at the agreed location. There is no provider or fake provider. 

I had a former tenant entrapped not long ago by the feds. He was an attractive young man who had a very high position in a federal agency here in DC. From his porn etc left it seems he was into S&M with muscle guys mostly. But somehow the feds used a website they had confiscated in Miami to entrap gay men by sending out photos of underage guys and chatting. His case was someone asked him if he had ever had sex with someone under 16 and he replied not since he was under 16 himself. They asked if he would and he said it could be interesting. That one statement and his receiving and downloading the pic of an underage guy (knowingly or not- it's strict liability) was his crime. For that one incident 20 agents with submachine guns raided the house and destroyed everything. He plead and got 5 years federal time and served 4 at that North Carolina sex offender prison. Soliciting for prostitution has reached that level of being considered sex trafficking now after SESTA while providers are more considered "victims". It's no game. . 

If you go Fed, you're not coming back for a long time is the saying. That's why I don't like seeing the feds in these cases. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by tassojunior

[caramelsub]

1 minute ago, tassojunior said:

Hun, you didn't watch enough To Catch a Predator. They arrest you when you show up at the agreed location. There is no provider or fake provider. 

I had a former tenant entrapped not long ago by the feds. He was an attractive young man who had a very high position in a federal agency here in DC. From his porn etc left it seems he was into S&M with muscle guys mostly. But somehow the feds used a website they had confiscated in Miami to entrap gay men by sending out photos of underage guys and chatting. His case was someone asked him if he had ever had sex with someone under 16 and he replied not since he was under 16 himself. They asked if he would and he said it could be interesting. That one statement and his receiving and downloading the pic of an underage guy (knowingly or not- it's strict liability) was his crime. For that one incident 20 agents with submachine guns raided the house and destroyed everything. He plead and got 5 years federal time and served 4 at that North Carolina sex offender prison. Soliciting for prostitution has reached that level of being considered sex trafficking now after SESTA while providers are more considered "victims". It's no game. . 

If you go Fed, you're not coming back for a long time is the saying. That's why I don't like seeing the feds in these cases. 

I meant it would be difficult to setup a fake sting ad on rentmen, not other sites. Of course if an adult knowingly chats with an underage person looking for sex, paid or unpaid will be prosecuted. I never mentioned minors in my post.

[maninsoma]

11 hours ago, caramelsub said:

I meant it would be difficult to setup a fake sting ad on rentmen, not other sites. Of course if an adult knowingly chats with an underage person looking for sex, paid or unpaid will be prosecuted. I never mentioned minors in my post.

I still don't understand why you think it would be difficult to put up a fake sting ad on Rentmen.  Pre-internet the police used actual human beings (i.e., female cops posting as sex workers) as lures to arrest johns.  You don't think there would be cops willing to have their face posted in an ad for a short time as part of a sex sting?  Or, for that matter, the police couldn't just get some stock photos?  The rest of the process is easy because, as I wrote earlier, despite Rentmen acting like they verify ads they really don't verify that the person running an ad is the person whose photo is displayed in the ad.

[+ tassojunior]

11 hours ago, caramelsub said:

I meant it would be difficult to setup a fake sting ad on rentmen, not other sites. Of course if an adult knowingly chats with an underage person looking for sex, paid or unpaid will be prosecuted. I never mentioned minors in my post.

I used underage because, until recently, Feds did not often get involved in prostitution otherwise, it wasn't all considered "sex-trafficking" online. But traditionally underage has been added to almost all gay charges to get them to federal jurisdiction more clearly. Every gay man I know who has been charged with almost anything has had some underage charge added (like from porn found etc) to get it federal, no matter how frivolous. Grand juries are more likely to indict on all charges with that one too and juries seldom acquit if that charge is in. The Courts never say a word. That's a hot potato no judge will touch. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by tassojunior

[soloyo215]

19 hours ago, maninsoma said:

I don't understand why anyone would think it would be too costly or difficult for a sting to happen via Rentmen.  We all know Rentmen doesn't really verify ads; just look at the number of posts made here where people point out that the guy pictured in the ad is not the person providing the service or, even worse, just easily obtainable photos of a good looking guy used to take money from men with no intention of providing any service at all.  I certainly believe that Homeland Security could run fake Rentmen ads to ensnare gay male clients if they decided to do so.

The problem is: who? Who will they pursue, the client or the provider? Where? Whatever happens falls under what jurisdiction? How? What resources are necessary to entrap whoever in enough amounts to consider it a raid?

Law enforcement can and have created fake profiles, but normally it is to entrap people that they are actually identified and pursuing, not to blindly create a mass arrest situation.

Yes, you are correct, it's not impossible. However, I do sustain that is improbable, unless there are serious reasons for it, a serial killer, involving minors, proof that some are forced/trafficked into providing services. Also, keep in mind that RM is one of many sites, and it's not even based in the USA.

The United Nations has an entire division of cyber attacks and the use of technology for harmful purposes. It's called the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute, which monitors technology for the purposes of crimes, and that include all kinds of illegal activities. I think they are quite busy with terrorism and other more harmful events, other than some John hiring a male escort via RM.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, soloyo215 said:

Yes, you are correct, it's not impossible. However, I do sustain that is improbable,

That's exactly what I said earlier in a previous post 

[maninsoma]

And yet here we are in a thread that was started precisely because Homeland Security and Dallas/Ft Worth police set up a sting to trap straight men who attempted to hire escorts. 

Am I saying it's likely that the same thing will happen in either Dallas or elsewhere regarding gay men?  No.  But I don't think it's beyond reason to think that it could.  Rentmen being based in the Netherlands has nothing to do with it.  All that means is that the Feds cannot attempt to take down Rentmen because they have no jurisdiction.  It doesn't mean that they cannot use Rentmen to try to arrest citizens of the US who are using that website.

While I'm not suggesting that everyone should just stop using Rentmen out of fear that they could be trapped by law enforcement, I do like someone's earlier post about sticking to providers with a good reputation. 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

I do like someone's earlier post about sticking to providers with a good reputation. 

That goes without saying and will help keep people out of a lot of possible and probable problems. That's works for us providers as well.... 97% of the people I see I already know pretty darn well. "Stings"and flakes are sorted that way. 

[Guest]

On 9/22/2023 at 12:17 PM, tassojunior said:

if you think jailing homosexual predators is not very popular with law enforcement you have not known anyone caught up in that shuffle where the victim often ends up in prison.  

[+ augustus]

On 9/22/2023 at 9:46 AM, DynamicUno said:

Just because they didn't target gay clients this time doesn't mean they won't on the next sting.  The Sheriff in Polk county, Fl has done similar stings and used both female and male lures.  

You are quite correct!  Rentboy went down because women staff, including prosecutors, were not happy that only female escorts were being targeted time after time.

[56harrisond]

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[+ BenjaminNicholas]

53 minutes ago, 56harrisond said:

From Georgia:

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