Mr Number - App With Reviews/Info on Clients

[BeefyDude]

https://rentmasseur.com/Dean_n

I tried to call him but he didn't pick up. Yet he immediately texted me.  I asked if we could talk phone real quick (his ad does say he "prefers" texts - but 

I interpret that is other methods are ok.

I prefer to talk on the phone to 1) see if its a good connection and 2) make sure we are on the same page so no disappoints.

I asked why style of massage he did. He said what are you looking for. I HATE that question because they are only saying what you want to say

I asked several times if we could just talk on the phone - easier and quicker.  He wouldn't; respond

So finally I gave up and said well if you won't talk to me then too many red flags and I'm taking my business elsewhere

THEN - and here is where I need masseurs help he said

That i;ve been tagged on some list of people who only ask questions followed by my full name.  So is there some kind of database that masseurs have?

YES i do ask alot of questions, but its to make sure its a good fit. I have been burnt too many times (as many of you have)

 

 

So I tried the MRNumber app and it tags me as fraudulent.  I do take the with a grain of salt. However, it shares no explainaintion etc.  I wonder if this is where  "dean" got my info from?

Are there any masseurs out there that can reach out to me privately to discuss/help!!!

[JB_Studio38]

16 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

tried to call him but he didn't pick up. Yet he immediately texted me.  I asked if we could talk phone real quick…

Are there any masseurs out there that can reach out to me privately to discuss/help!!!

I stopped answering unexpected calls awhile ago. Part of me wants to go back to doing so, but like @Simon Suraci, most of the answers are going to be in the ads. 
 

I also prefer not to be caught off guard. Unlike other professions that may be “working” between certain hours, our hours may be variable or only when actively taking a client.
 

I always send a text when I see a phone call. I’m willing to talk on the phone, but only after client has provided screening details and has agreed to send a deposit. If they’re just calling me up out the blue, I’m not doing it. Too easy of an opportunity to be disrespected or spend too much time on the phone. It used to be okay awhile ago, but I find the majority of serious clients recognize a text or even email, is usually the best way to break the ice.  
 

Last time I allowed myself to answer a call was in August while I was in Denver. The  guy talked good game for 10-15 minutes. But he wasn’t ready to book that day and gave me the run around the next day, and had some questionable comments on the Number.

I’ll answer a phone call maybe once a year, and then not have to wonder why I don’t take them anymore. However, I don’t mind to phone up someone as I’m arriving or if they need directions getting to where I am. But phone calls: have to be scheduled with an appointment 
 

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Marc in Calif]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Last time I allowed myself to answer a call was in August while I was in Denver. The  guy talked good game for 10-15 minutes.

Why in the world would you stay on the phone for that long with a first-time contact? 🙄

[BuffaloKyle]

9 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Why in the world would you stay on the phone for that long with a first-time contact? 🙄

You'd be surprised how fast time can fly by on the phone. I have a new job where I have to sometimes take phone calls from customers and I ended up talking to this one lady for 30 minutes and it didn't seem that long at all.

[JB_Studio38]

1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:

Why in the world would you stay on the phone for that long with a first-time contact? 🙄

You’re right. I had to fact check that and go back. I called him first because he was asking to meet that night, and I since he was clear across town I had needed to get a response soon. Then he called me like 30 minutes later. I guess it seemed like 10-15 minutes including the texts that were sent. The actual time was more like:

Of course, he didn’t book that night or the next like he said he was: and now he’s blocked and added to the bad list along with the other reports he has too ✌ 

In fact, since I only stayed on the phone for 4 minutes: I think it should be stated 😂

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloKyle said:

You'd be surprised how fast time can fly by on the phone. I have a new job where I have to sometimes take phone calls from customers and I ended up talking to this one lady for 30 minutes and it didn't seem that long at all.

It’s especially tricky when I say, “well okay I have to get going” and then they somehow slip in another question or sentence. 

And who even questions that anyway?? It’s a reason why the show on MTV called catfish is still on air, tons of stories where people have spent months chatting with someone and haven’t met yet. Idk why someone would attempt to “ridicule” someone who has spent more time on the phone than necessary.

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

On 10/14/2023 at 6:03 AM, BeefyDude said:

...I tried to call him but he didn't pick up. Yet he immediately texted me...

 

On 10/14/2023 at 9:12 AM, Simon Suraci said:

@BeefyDude personally I have no problem talking on the phone, but I have my reasons for not picking up the phone for every Tom, Dick, and Harry that dials my number...

I agree with @Simon Suraci. I feel it's rude to simply call someone cold without first texting them. In this instance "I'm interested in an in-call on Thursday around 6 PM. Are you available? If so, is this a good time for a quick call?"

I personally never call someone, not even a close friend or relative, without first texting them to ask if this is a good time (much less someone I don't know), for the reasons enumerated by SS. And if one wants to FaceTime, that should also be asked specifically. I prefer to call to ask anything I don't want a permanent record of for perpetuity (and texts are forever). But the calls should be brief--5 minutes, tops. 

[curiouscuriousity]

I downloaded Mr. Number and how can one leave a comment or read comments?

[BeefyDude]

9 hours ago, Unicorn said:

 

I agree with @Simon Suraci. I feel it's rude to simply call someone cold without first texting them. In this instance "I'm interested in an in-call on Thursday around 6 PM. Are you available? If so, is this a good time for a quick call?"

I personally never call someone, not even a close friend or relative, without first texting them to ask if this is a good time (much less someone I don't know), for the reasons enumerated by SS. And if one wants to FaceTime, that should also be asked specifically. I prefer to call to ask anything I don't want a permanent record of for perpetuity (and texts are forever). But the calls should be brief--5 minutes, tops. 

Thats your opinion which you are entitled to.  Me, I like to call so I can ask questions and see if there is going to be a connection. I also like to get everything on the table so no surprises.  If it passes that I book 

[BeefyDude]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

All well and good, and I agree calls are great for seeing if there’s going to be a good connection, but if your man isn’t expecting your call and doesn’t pick up from an unknown contact on the first ring, would you pass him by?

Let’s say he’s at, say, the gym where he can’t openly talk about explicit sexual details and rates for his services. Would you blame him for not picking up at that moment?

More likely he’s with another client when you dial and he can’t pause a session to take a random call. Can you imagine if he did that with you during your session? I would be pissed.

Same goes for when he is having a face to face conversation with someone. Maybe it’s late and he’s already asleep, or at his doctor’s office, or driving, or anywhere else that it would be inappropriate, unsafe, or rude to answer a call.

What expectations do you have of a provider to answer your call? Anytime, anywhere, without notice? Or would you be ok asking ahead to schedule a time to call? Would an initial contact by email/messenger/texting be a total dealbreaker for you?

Agree, but perhaps I mis-spoke or misunderstood something.   For me, I DO NOT give up if they don't answer a call - for the reasons you state.  I Prefer a call. If I get VM, i typically hang up and send a text so t hey know it was me  Also I NEVER said anything about any hour.  I always call during normal day hours. I know I dont like calls at night and thus don't do on to others. Another factor is the availability they put on their ad. If they say they take appts up till midnight, then I feel an 8pm call or text is reasonable.

If an ad says text only then no call.  But otherwise they are a business and put their number out there. They should expect a call from some folks. That is NOT an unreasonable request.  Same thing to call a bakery to ask them questions. You are unknown to them, but you want to ask about a product or cake they provide.  They are a business too so similar rules should ap

Again, FOR ME, I respect others.  I don't call late. I don't give up on them if they dont pick up a call first time etc.   Sorry that some out there abuse that. But not all of us are like that

[MuscleDaddyRWC]

Seems to me the new convention  (in general, not specifically massage/escorting) is to text first asking about availability to jump on a phone call. 

[marylander1940]

On 10/15/2023 at 9:47 AM, Marc in Calif said:

Why in the world would you stay on the phone for that long with a first-time contact? 🙄

Exactly!

On 10/15/2023 at 9:57 AM, BuffaloKyle said:

You'd be surprised how fast time can fly by on the phone. I have a new job where I have to sometimes take phone calls from customers and I ended up talking to this one lady for 30 minutes and it didn't seem that long at all.

Where are you?

When are you looking to getting together?

What do you get into? 

When will you check in at your hotel and when do you want me to go to see you?

etc.

In less than 3 minutes as long as the escorts gets a hold on the conversation a lot could be arranged. 

If someone is on the phone for that long it's phone sex or just a time water. 

[JTtorretto]

On 10/19/2023 at 6:13 AM, BeefyDude said:

Thats your opinion which you are entitled to.  Me, I like to call so I can ask questions and see if there is going to be a connection. I also like to get everything on the table so no surprises.  If it passes that I book 

"Everything on the table so no surprises"  I find ironic since going the phone call route ends up, often, in misinterpretation of what was decided since nothing is in writing. Thats issue #1 with phone calls. 
 

#2 phone call issue:   95% of the time anyone demanding the first interaction being a several minute phone call = is a deadbeat time waster jerking off [free of charge] to the sound of our voice while they get to describe their perverted fantasy, with them explaining they just "need to be sure" that we can "provide that service".  [the "Official Escort Handbook" states as fact that one should never engage with any "potential" new client for an extended period of time on the phone for this second reason]. 

 

 

[DWnyc]

On 10/21/2023 at 12:11 PM, MuscleDaddyRWC said:

Seems to me the new convention  (in general, not specifically massage/escorting) is to text first asking about availability to jump on a phone call. 

This is definitely a new thing for those of us who were adults before say 2010 but the rules have evolved. 

I still remember the rotary phone and my mother eavesdropping on my calls from not too far away. 

[Trick]

I installed MN on my phone.  How can I view comments?

[+ DrownedBoy]

17 hours ago, Trick said:

I installed MN on my phone.  How can I view comments?

Buy a subscription so you can look up phone numbers. Start with your own.

[Trick]

17 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Buy a subscription so you can look up phone numbers. Start with your own.

I did.  I’m on the 3-day trial now.

I looked up my number and I couldn’t see any comments or reports.  I couldn’t even see an option or a button to tap.

[Runningguyindc]

This is all insane. Here I thought I was the only one. There have been times where yes, I have texted, and decided not to hire someone. But the rate at which some of these guys go from 1— 100 in their temper is surprising. Some of them are mentally unstable and one left multiple bad reviews because I didn’t wanna go to him to get barebacked. 
 

There’s one that got physical with me and I had to leave out of concern for my physical safety. This is horrible. 

[+ APPLE1]

There's been a lot of discussion here about negative comments on MN. 1) Are you able to leave positive reviews that contradict the comments of others? 2) Do you, if in fact you have a good experience with the person?

The question is really open to anyone using MN, but, I'm going to tag you @Simon Suraci since I believe you indicated that you take some reviews with a grain of salt, and had good experiences with clients who had poor reviews on MN.

Edited July 24, 2024 by APPLE1

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 7/23/2024 at 5:01 PM, Runningguyindc said:

 But the rate at which some of these guys go from 1— 100 in their temper is surprising.

Yup. I've called providers who completely lost it while I was texting them (one had got off the phone with a bad client, but still; the other was trying to get more money). And some in person did the same (the guy who assaulted me and got dragged out by security).

Personality disorders are definitely more common among escorts. At least the ones who don't have a second job.

[Runningguyindc]

@DrownedBoy Wait. Wtf. You had to get security involved?! Holy shit.

yeah, mine just got physical, demanded more money after 20 minutes.. and when I said no, he said, “all you (ethnic group) guys are the same…” 

at that point I wanted to leave but he physically wouldn’t let me. I totally get they can be desperate for $$, but this is no way to get it. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

21 hours ago, Runningguyindc said:

@DrownedBoy Wait. Wtf. You had to get security involved?! Holy shit.

yeah, mine just got physical, demanded more money after 20 minutes.. and when I said no, he said, “all you (ethnic group) guys are the same…” 

at that point I wanted to leave but he physically wouldn’t let me. I totally get they can be desperate for $$, but this is no way to get it. 

He was on roids and threatened the hotel manager. That's when security got called. 

[Daniel84]

After a client pulled a knife on me in Baltimore. I now check everybody's number with Mr number. If I would have checked his  number I would have seen his  30 plus reviews of him being dangerous etc. 

[caramelsub]

As a client I’ve had to block providers on two different occasions. One is a very popular and highly reviewed provider on rentmen. He got upset with me when I cancelled with sufficient notice, and I hung up the phone when he called me trying to talk me into booking him. After I blocked him he then texted me with a different number, and must have googled my number, because he addressed me by my real name, which I never I gave to him. So I blocked that number too.
On another occasion a provider kept texting me “what you decide”, after talking with him on the phone, for days. He couldn’t host, so I couldn’t meet with him. I blocked him, then he texts me from another number insulting me, so I blocked that number too. 
So it’s not just providers that need to be careful, clients need to be careful about who they hire too. I always recommend communicating on rentmen first and feeling them out before doing anything else on your private phone number. I hate to say this, but this profession attracts a lot of shady, unstable people. 

[+ APPLE1]

5 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

1) When I have neutral or positive experiences with a negatively reviewed client, I leave positive comments. Nothing that descriptive other than he is safe to see, followed through, and contradict any negative comments i.e. the “client paid my rate”, in contrast to comments like: “he didn’t pay”, “cheap client”, or “has no money”. I’ll mention he was respectful if he had other comments on his number saying he was rude, abrasive, or creepy.

2) After a positive meeting, I leave no comments when the client has nothing listed in the first place, which is most commonly the case. Same if he has only positive comments, which is very rare. Mr Number is not designed to be a referral system. It’s supposed to be for reporting spam and fraud. We providers use it unofficially as a warning beacon to flag chronic problem clients and help keep us safe. That’s why you hardly find any neutral or positive comments. It’s about managing risk, not a tool to find or refer better clients.

The best clients have no comments on Mr Number because they are not behaving in a way that would motivate a provider to go out of his way to flag it.

Really horrible clients might not have comments because they have either a) been lucky to not use providers who report on Mr Number, or b) regularly change their burner number for this express purpose - kind of like a provider making a new profile when he receives a bad review. Both behaviors are childish. Everyone treat one another with respect and we don’t have to play these games. Alas, bad apples populate both sides of hiring.

Speaking for myself here, but I’m sure others feel the same: I don’t care if the client is attractive or nice or a millionaire, and this wouldn’t be the place to discern or share such information anyway. We just want to avoid trouble and wasting our time. Remember: an escort’s (and masseur’s) most valuable asset is his time.

Here are some common Mr Number flags, which sometimes are true, sometimes not:

Law enforcement (often not true)

No-shower (usually true)

Disrespect

Verbal abuse

Trolling behavior

Bargaining behavior 

Won’t pay

Drug use

Mental instability 

No boundaries

Wants to outsource all risk and responsibility for his own sexual health to escorts i.e. show me your prescription, rapid test in person, etc. There is no satisfying this unreasonable client, even if you test in person, send all documents, etc. It never ends. Immediate block.

“Gross” clients (inexperienced providers write these, very common, it’s unprofessional)

“Time Waster” - see blurb below.

 

Less common:

Violence

Catfishing

Other

 

”Time Waster” and variants therof:

This is the most common comment of all. Most of these are from immature providers. They have no concept of what reasonably constitutes time wasting behavior. Just today I saw a comment saying a client was a time waster because he canceled last minute in 2022…because he tested positive for COVID. Now, we don’t know if that was a lame made up excuse (I hear them all), but anyone sick should cancel! Just like a provider testing positive for an STI should cancel, however inconvenient that may be for each party.

Car accidents, sick relatives, and business emergencies tend to occur conveniently right before so many appointments. After a while you catch on. But sometimes that really is what happened. While unfortunate, canceling for real, compelling reasons is a normal, natural part of life. You can’t be considered a “time waster” because you are a human being with a life.

At the same time, reporting these incidents shows us patterns. Like, how many times does this John get COVID before an appointment, or “fall asleep” and stop responding (unacceptable btw). Maybe he really does care for a sick relative needing constant care…in which case he should get coverage with another caregiver before booking an appointment. Your lack of planning does not make everyday occurrences “emergencies”, where you have to cancel every other time you book. Figure your shit out. Be an adult. Get a sitter. Or just…don’t book!

We see the patterns and measure our risk.

On the flip side, lots of clients do waste our time in ways they shouldn’t. Answering questions about our rates and services is not timewasting behavior. Not booking but asking the same questions over and over is. These too:

Client sexting

Client demanding affirmation

Discussing minutiae of an appointment obviously for wanking purposes

Demanding our attention at all hours outside appointment times, over many days, weeks, or even months. I have to block clients who feel entitled to hours of my attention because they got a one hour massage from me one time. Thanks, but no thanks.

Glad to hear that you post good comments about clients when others providers comments have been negative. I must say though, I was surprised to hear that you don't post positive comments if there is nothing about your client there already. I feel like it would be an added service I'd welcome from a provider, especially if he were a regular. More importantly, it would seem to be a plus in helping ensure sane piece of mind and safety for other providers.

When a provider sees a new client, I assume there's always at least a bit of anxiety about who is showing up at their door. I also assume that the anxiety would be at least a little less if they see that 1 other provider had a safe experience with the client.

Not to mention, if a provider has 2 offers for Sun afternoon. Client A has put a provider(s) at risk in the past,  but has no reviews because they change their number or their previous providers didn't use MN. Client B has no reviews because they've only been a great client. Wouldn't it be prudent to write that client B was "good" in order to keep another provider from choosing client A?

Edited July 26, 2024 by APPLE1

[BaronArtz]

I heard from a well known and respected erotic masseur in NY that some escorts deliberately write bad reviews of clients so that they can ' keep the client to themselves ...

He mentioned another web based verification tool

www.beenverified.com

Anyone has experience?

Edited July 31, 2024 by BaronArtz